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Kaigami
Just did this little calculation for myself that i thought i'd share:
In comparison with its most likely contender: Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless (
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=28755
).
Here are 3 different gem set ups and what the comparison will be.
(the %'s may be like...0.1% out or so)
2x Bright Living Ruby (+16 attack power)
92 attack
38 stamina
10 dodge
0.4% crit
-----------------
38 more attack
11 more stamina
10 more dodge rating
0.35% less crit
1.25% less hit
---------------
2x Rigid Dawnstone (+8 hit)
60 attack
34 stamina
10 dodge
0.4% crit
1% hit
----------------
6 more attack
7 more stamina
10 more dodge rating
0.35% less crit
0.25% less hit.
----------------
2x Glinting Noble Topaz (+4 hit, +4 agi)
68 attack
38 stamina
10 dodge
0.6% crit
0.5% hit
---------------
14 more attack
11 more stamina
10 more dodge rating
0.15% less crit
0.75% less hit
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Myself being a combat rogue...If i wanted to take these for the set bonus, i'd go with 2x Glinting Noble Topaz. Then again i've got a fair bit of +hit and i'm lacking AP so i may go with 2x Bright Living Ruby.
Basically you're always going to gain some attack power, stamina and dodge from this "upgrade". You're also always going to lose some crit and hit. How much of each stat you gain/lose and the balance you wish to achieve is up to you.
评论来自
56853
good shoulders, dropped for me
Got and Recomend : Aldor 30AP- 10 crit.
with a 20AP PVP gem and a 16 AP gem.
total : 134 AP
: 42 stam
: 20 agi ( about 0,6% crit)
again PVE shoulders, not enough Stam and no resilience for PVP
评论来自
Gwarluz
Is these better than
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=33300?
评论来自
Allakhazam
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评论来自
Allakhazam
Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless from the chess event in Karazhan are by far better than these. The only reason you'd think of these would be for the set bonuses, but they are nothing ground breaking; Assassination bonuses are both better than Netherblade's IMO.
评论来自
Allakhazam
These things are terrible.
Maulgar dropped them, and all of us (rogues) passed to the paladins in the raid. Marginally better then assassination, if you like PvP.
I'll keep my chess shoulders.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Tier 4 Armor Sets -
Netherblade
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评论来自
Allakhazam
T4 for Rogue.
评论来自
Thottbot
if they do not get changed again i suggest passing them to the shamies and palas and get those from moroes.
评论来自
Thottbot
these will be changed to have 10 +hit instead of dodge with patch 2.1.0
still worse than chessevent shoulders tho.
chessevent offers 18 crit vs 16 agi on t4
chessevent offers 54 AP vs 44 on t4.
socket bonus 3 hit on chess vs 4 stamina on t4.
remaining stats are the same, except 6 more stamina on t4, which is kind of uninteresting, for me atleast.
whatever, nice try in improving them.
atleast they are better than assassination now. but still not worth getting if you have the chance to get the ones off chessevent.
评论来自
Thottbot
Umm... i think that Gladiator's Leather Spaulders owns them all so you could just get like 1500 arena points and get them and have 2nd best shoulders in game (not including t6)
评论来自
Thottbot
Remember folks, this is instance gear designed for instance raiding...not PvP. Some people just don't get the concept that certain armor pieces are better suited for certain situations. You know what, I will not start educating here.
Sure, the Gladiator's leather spaulders owns them all. Trash-talk that garbage to Illhoof as the glancing blows on him continue to mount up. :)
As for the Tier 4 set comment of "blows", go ahead and equip the assassination set for Illidan, GL or SSC. See where it gets you. :)
评论来自
Thottbot
T4 by a nose i think.
Netherblade Shoulderpads
> Armour (+11 more than Bladed)
> Agility (+20 more than Bladed)
> Stamina (+12 more than Bladed, +4 socket bonus included)
< Hit Rating 13 (-3 less than Bladed with its socket bonus)
> Attack Power (+24 when you add in agility)
< Crit Rating (-20 less than Bladed)
T4 gives you more armour, dodge, stamina, and attack power but slightly less Crit and "to hit". Not sure why Blizzard didn't give these more "To Hit" than Bladed. I want "To Hit" and Crit more on PvE stuff than stamina and attack power. Blizzard has wierd ideas about PvP and PvE gear at times. Put some "To Hit" gems on these to overcome their mistake.
评论来自
Thottbot
The posts saying that the assassination shoulders were better were correct when they were posted. T4 shoulders had 10 dodge rating on them instead of what is now 13 hit rating.
评论来自
Thottbot
For your rogue, I would definitely take these over Shoulderpads of Assassination, no question.
I would also take these over Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless, unless it didn't help my rogue get one of the set bonuses. In other words, if this is your 1st, 3rd, or 5th piece of the set, Bladed Shoulderpads are better. As your 2nd or 4th piece, Netherblade wins hands down.
评论来自
Thottbot
imo the difference im looking at between these 2, are:
bladed is base, netherblade is differnce (8 hit gems in all sockets)
+20 agility
-3 hit
-6 ap
-21 crit
so your true trade off is roughly
10 crit rating less, 3 hit less, but 16 ap more.
unless i am getting 4 set t4 bonus, i will always go with bladed...thats if they drop for me >< i bet ill get t4 before them just cuz i end up going to gruuls more than chess now, and chess hasnt droped them yet
评论来自
Thottbot
I Would Compare these as slightly worse then Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless, for one reason, and 1 reason only
Bladed Shoulderpads of the Merciless have 2yellow slots instead of 2red, and slot bonus is +3 hit
The Yellow Slots are VERY IMPORTANT to PvE rogues, since you can gem them with +8hit rating.
The order of importance to Swords rogues should be
(1st)Hit Rating>(2)Expertise rating>(3)attack power>(4)Crit ratin
First you need the HR to actually hit the boss enough to make your damage worth while, i have 300HR and thats about 19% increased chance to hit, i swear i never see "Miss" anymore,
Expertise reduces targets chance to dodge, parry, etc...
But the cant dodge if your attack wouldnt have been a hit to start with, so HR comes first since you need it to make Experise worth it, Expertise is VERY POTENT, about 20Rating of Expertise is like 5% reduced chance for target to dodge,Parry, block,
Now AP is more Important for Sword rogues then dagger rogues,
i run around 1750ap and i rly dont give a poo about critting, except on envenoms or whatnot, so AP is more important, but those Dagger rogues want high crit for there Backstabs/Mutilates which can hit hella hard on crits, like a 6k mutilate...
So thats my 2cents... these are just barly worse then Blade shoulders
评论来自
Thottbot
$%^&*!@ killer you dont need yellow sockets to put +8 hit rating in it you can put it in any other color socket + socket bonuses are really never important
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