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Comentado por 145385

A big change from the previous version, which affected the caster / mage, requiring the mage to be close to enemies to do damage. Living Bomb now debuffs the enemy, effectively giving the mage an Immolate with a big bang and knockback at the end. This is a welcome change and makes Living Bomb the much more powerful spell it deserves to be. This change also may give Living Bomb PvE raiding utility.

Comentado por 178410

I can see this being a very fun talent. Mostly because of the knock in the air, since it will probably interrupt all casting and such. Anyone know how much bonus this gets from spell power on your gear? For both the ticks and the final explosion. It could become a very powerful spell if it gets a good coefficient.

Comentado por 106589

"The mage knocked me up!"

Anyone know how high that explosion sends you flying? On top of the damage and the interrupt, we might be talking about some considerable downtime for targets while they're flying up and coming back down (downtime while in the air... harhar).

Comentado por 181391

can i cast FireBall or ForstFirebolt or Scorch while target in the air?
it can be dynamic combo in PvP
I LOVE this Version Living Bomb (build 8770)
TT__TT so Happy

Comentado por Cainite

Probably yes - just like the target can cast instants at you.

Comentado por 186808

This looks to be a nice spell, something mages have desperately needed. But it is still inferior to Seed of Corruption in more ways than one. Firstly it is a 51pt talent where as SoC is trainable. The explosion does 610 damage compared to nearly 2000 from SoC. It can't be detonated early like a SoC can be.

It's only advantages are it's slightly cheaper mana wise and it is instant cast as opposed to 1.5 second cast.

Seems to be a mages immolate with a sprinkling of AoE thrown in as an afterthought.

If it turns out the knockup effect is enough to cause significant falling damage then it might turn out to be awesome afterall.

Comentado por 167595

"The target becomes a Living Bomb, taking 1380 Fire damage over 12 sec. After 12 sec or when the spell is dispelled, the target explodes dealing 690 Fire damage to all enemies within 10 yards and knocking all targets up in the air. This spell can only affect one target at a time."

To me the tooltip description is unclear. When the explosion occurs, does the explosion cause damage/knockback to the target itself (the living bomb)? If so, this could be very useful in PvP to interupt healers, as others have said. If not, however, the talent seems lacking, (from a strictly PvP point of view) and would only be useful in complete mayhem during a BG or 5v5. Otherwise, lets say in an organized 2v2, the Living Bomb target could run away and distance him/herself just 10 yds (or just stay put, healers are rarely near their allies anyway), have the healer dispel the debuff, and therefore prevent any knockback/explosion damage from occurring.

Comentado por 202908

The tooltip, I'm suspecting, has been cleared up. From what I have heard, it's a SoC/UA spell, where the damage/knockback occur when the spell ends or when it's attempted to be dispelled. It does less damage than either of the two under the proper circumstances, but the effect is much better, typically since knockback means spell interruption.

Very much improved from the original form.

Comentado por Apocpwns

It is my impression based off this information that this spell has no cooldown, is instant cast, and may not be affect by GCD.

Even without factoring in a GCD, this is definitely OP. People complain enough about seed of corruption, at least that has a cast time.

Mages shouldn't be able to cast this on the run, it's way too overpowered, especially if stackable by multiple mages. It's a wonderful ability, and puts mages back to being the kings of AoE, but please blizz, at least give it a 1.5 second cast...

Comentado por LoKHor

It uses a lot of mana. My mage is wearing T4/5 equivalent gear with a mana pool of around 10k. It is currently inefficient to cast this on every enemy that you fight, unless you want to go through your mana quite fast. Still, it could be worse. I realise that the spell is still being tweaked as well. Also, 12 seconds is a long time. I have yet to wait for the explosion at the end. Hopefully this will turn out to be quite fun in instances!

LoKHor

Comentado por Munra

It works pretty much like Baron Geddon's https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=20475 ... If you're familiar with MC, you're familiar with this excellent, fun and creative ability.

Comentado por 63264

Does it breaks Dragon's Breath?

Comentado por 178827

In a PvP setting, this spell is not in a good place in deep fire spec. Twelve seconds in WSG or AB (not to mention arenas) is a lot of time, and fire mages are amongst the most vulnerable lifeforms ever seen in Azeroth (being second to only rabbits and frogs); generally, if a fire mage doesn't finish off the opponent in 12 seconds, he/she is likely already dead, and the only thing this debuff might achieve is some dps from the DoT in those 8 to 10 seconds of the battle, while taking up a GCD (if it does).... not entirely worth it for a PvP fire mage, I think, unless used from long range.

Comentado por 105497

Living bomb is much like a weaker, underpowered version of SoC. It will only explode when the spell runs its full duration, or when it is dispelled. Casting Living Bomb on a different target will not detonate the first one prematurely; recasting it on the same target will not detonate it; and if the target dies before living bomb runs its full duration, it will not detonate.

Personally, I have found some use for it, but only in groups of 4+ mobs. Casting it on the mob that will likely die last is the best choice, as it will at least detonate, even if it hits only a mob or two. Casting it on bosses is almost worthless, as very few bosses have adds close enough to be damaged by it, and its dot effect alone is not worth the mana cost.

I think the best way it can be improved is to allow it to detonate on target death, just like SoC. Not allowing it to detonate on death, but allowing it to detonate on dispel almost makes this a purely PVP ability. A poor choice for a 51 point talent.

Comentado por 235605

When I first saw the changed spell disc I was smeelling PvP...and still am.

I can see this spell giving the fire tree new life in the world of PvP, however I do agree that this will have some major potential in PvE based on what wierd stuff Blizz throws at us in Northrend.

The immolate-like effect is very nice, another DoT for the mage's arsenal, but the thing that strikes me down is the potential for agro-bombing the target when they do explode.

Granted, a raid could work this into their mechanics by simply covering the target when it explodes, but I can see this getting out of hand fast in a multi-pull scenario.

Does anyone know if this spell crushes the threat meter?

I would have respeced to gain Living bomb, but I could not imagine myself without icy veins...

Comentado por 116979

It's a poor man's seed of corruption. I find it very useless, chances are you will too.

Comentado por 105626

gives fire pvp mages somthing to do before an ice block

Comentado por 240616

There are some good things about this spell, ive been throwing it up on bosses during raids and when it explodes on bosses seems to crit about 75% of the time. More crits more instant cast pyros. So idk seems like a good investment if u dont got for Focus Magic on the arcane tree.

Comentado por 247643

Currently I seem to experience a bug with this spell. When I cast it and de-target my mob to Ice Block, it will not trigger the explosion effect. Anyone else has this odd thing occur to them?

Comentado por 249594

It's a decent enough spell, but it doesn't seem very "Mage-y" to me. Probably because it's just a Seed of Corruption knock-off (and not even as good as the original). Since when do mages use DoTs? =(

Comentado por myelf

WOW
can I just say, as a bear tank, just STOP
this is the worst thing that you can ever use in a raid
EVER
let's see if we can list all the terrible things wrong with using it?

1) scatters mobs, destroying everyone else's AOE
2) scatters mobs, screwing the tanks over
3) scatters mobs, possibly agroing additional trash
4) did I mention that it scatters mobs?

while we haven't decided to BAN this from our raids, I am guessing that it is only a matter of time

at this point I will not tank for a mage who uses this.
just too much of a pain in the ass to pad the mages precious dsp

of course, mages are the first to QQ when they get agro and die

I guess after the next wipe caused by this, will be the last time it gets used

PS
yes, yes, I know that there is a time and a place for this spell, but certainly not while I am tanking 6 trash deep in naxx-25
sheeshhhhhhh

Comentado por frozenembers

Living bomb doesnt do enough DPS for it to be useful, taking cold snap for another icy veins seems to pump out more DPS for me, i VERY often top dps in my raids, above other mages that do take living bomb... i also skip blastwave and dragons breath, if you are a RAIDING mage, you shouldnt bother... your job is dps, and an extra icy veins > living bomb for DPSand i prove it everytime i raid

FrozenEmbers
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Blackrock - Horde

Comentado por Furkel

DPS be damned, the most important thing about this spell for me is that it's an instant cast, 41 yd range (with talents) spell that will, when the 3.0.8 changes go live, instantly tap the target. Let's see you other classes steal my kills NOW, eh?

Comentado por 164017

Can two mages have one Living Bomb each on the same target?
I assume it's possible, like having two mages' Ignite DoTs stack. But I ask since Scorch / Winter's Chill doesn't stack.

Comentado por Zarupta

Been a Fire mage forever? Tired of Frost mages laughing at you because they can solo uber elites much easier? Get Living Bomb, and use the DoT to kite elites from Tanaris to Ulduar!

Comentado por kgurnhill

In response to myself... i think he/shes just blaming this spell for poor tanking?
The Knockback deffinately was removed a while ago, the only way this could cause extra mobs to be pulled is if the mob in question is in the explosion radius... and tbh i think the mob would attack the tank before that distance anyway?...

Downrate if ya like lol... i know Tanks prob will hehe

Comentado por 282631

On the 3.2 PTR this ability can now be cast on more than one enemy.

Boom...

Comentado por 164075

As 3.2 PTR : Living Bomb can now be used on multiple targets at the same time.

Comentado por 163658

I've found that this spell shines extremely well in Phase 2 of Onyxia. When all the little dragons come out, you can start dotting them, and you won't be done when the first already goes off.Yellow number will fill your screen, and with enough crit chance, you can watch your dps skyrocket :)

Comentado por ay1ko

question

does 2 living bombs stack?
i mean lets say we are 2 mages in a party do both our LB's stack? or will it cancel each other out?

Comentado por twistdshade

It's important to note, especially in pvp situations;

The application of the debuff AND the final explosion will both cause the caster to enter combat.

Comentado por 211544

Warning!

Do not fart!

Comentado por Amaraz

What a lovely spell this is. I got exalted with the Kurenai for my Talbuk in one afternoon just by zerging through an entire cave of Ogres in Nagrand chucking Living Bomb on everything, they all die behind me and I loot on the way out, fly to another cave, repeat. My gear is awful too. Before I tried that it was just annoying as frost, trying to round up casters, and getting ^&*!ed off at mobs resetting before I could blizzard.

Comentado por 230590

glyph living bomb, enjoy more hot streak procs

for an instant cast, even not glyphed, it will always do more dps than not casting it at all, unless you are still doing loatheb... between the dot (80% coefficient) and the explosion (40% coefficient) its virtually impossible to outscale FB/FFB even if you have enough haste to bring their cast time down to the global cooldown

also, a nice little opening rotation trick to get the most out of it instead of using LB right away is is to go...
1. scorch
2. pop combustion (or a macro that pops everything)
3. FB/FFB twice
4. put on your LB with the added crit while combustion is still up
should also have enough time to land the 3rd crit FB/FFB before LB ticks once

this also works well with shatter so that nearly every tick with crit if you set it up (if you happened to take this over frost channeling or something)

for pvp, just think of it as dispel prevention and an easy way to get into combat to avoid a sap... though if you are also speced into arcane subtlety (30% dispel resist), it does only explode when its successfully dispelled (though you probably already have this talent anyways going for improved counterspell whch most pvp specs get)

Comentado por 41236

This spell is amazing for pulling multiple mobs with in PVE. I generally pull with this spell and then dragons breath then frost nova. Generally that should be enough to kill like 4-5 mobs at a time..but if not blizzard should cover the rest.

Comentado por Parry

Does anyone know if the critical ticks of Living Bomb can proc Master of Elements multiple times?

Comentado por 395907

Important note from pvp stand point:

This spell can be cast on enemy target even if they bihind you.
If you have inaf crit chance, huged enemy groups have very high chance of pocing Hot Streak apon exploision whether its only one, or more targets(more is better ofcorse), affected buy this spell . This makes this spell powerfull force scattering tool for bttleground front lines and enemy malee who tuneling targets in arena.
It dosnt brake disorient effect of Dragons Breath whether its dot or exploision.

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Talento

22% de base mana	Alcance de 35m

Instantâneo

O alvo se torna uma Bomba Viva, recebendo 1380 de dano de Fogo ao longo de 12 sec. Depois de 12 sec ou quando o feitiço for dissipado, o alvo explode causando 690 de dano de Fogo a todos os inimigos em um raio de 10 m.

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Bomba Viva	Magia

Causa 345 dano de Fogo a cada 3 s. Após 12 sec ou quando o feitiço é dissipado, o alvo explode, causando 690 de dano de Fogo a todos os inimigos em um raio de 10 m.
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Fogo

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22% de base mana

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35 metros (Medium-Long)

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n/d

GCD

1.5 segundos

Efeito nº1

Apply Aura: Periodic Damage
Valor:345cada3 segundos (Mod SP:0.2)
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
Feitiços Afetados:

	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo
	Golpe Flamejante	Golpe Flamejante	Impacto de Fogo
	Impacto de Fogo	Impacto de Fogo	Calcinar
	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo
	Bola de Fogo	Impacto de Fogo	Impacto de Fogo
	Golpe Flamejante	Golpe Flamejante	Calcinar
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	Calcinar	Calcinar	Bola de Fogo
	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo
	Impacto de Fogo	Impacto de Fogo	Calcinar
	Calcinar	Calcinar	Golpe Flamejante
	Golpe Flamejante	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo
	Calcinar	Calcinar	Impacto de Fogo
	Impacto de Fogo	Golpe Flamejante	Bola de Fogo
	Bola de Fogo	Bola de Fogo	Calcinar
	Calcinar	Impacto de Fogo	Impacto de Fogo
	Golpe Flamejante	Golpe Flamejante	Ignimpacto
	Ignimpacto	Ignimpacto	Ignimpacto
	Ignimpacto	Ignimpacto	Ignimpacto
	Ignimpacto	Ignimpacto	Sopro do Dragão
	Sopro do Dragão	Sopro do Dragão	Sopro do Dragão
	Ignimpacto	Ignimpacto	Ignimpacto
	Sopro do Dragão	Sopro do Dragão

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Apply Aura: Dummy
Valor:55362
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
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[Aura is Debuff]
[Taps immediately]

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