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Comentado por 12365

This is a pretty amazing change, since Wow's release Discipline has suffered from having 2 weak Tier1 talents, Unbreakable Will (15% Stun, Fear Silence resist) which was situationaly harmful (before Fear got changed) rarely useful in PvE and Wand Specialization (20% wand damage) which was always useless beyond level 20.

For being a Tier1 talent and affecting both Healing and Damage this will be a great support talent of all 3 priest trees and is a must have for PvE, depending on your point allocation, most will probably still favor Unbreakable Will for PvP. It does seem unusually strong compared "Force of Will" found on Tier6 that basically trades the 5% healing for 5% crit to offensive spells and that doesn't have much use for discipline but perhaps this talent still needs to be reviewed. Update: Force of WIll was removed in beta, Enlightenment was moved and now takes it's place.

Only bad thing is that it took 4 years to get a good replacement for Wand Specialization and a useful PvE Tier1 Discipline talent. Better late than never.

Comentado por 22744

1 word for 14/0/57 builds: AW(E)SOME!

Comentado por 149470

AWSOME!

Awesome*

Comentado por 187702

Say you take these points at level 10 (your first talent point). At level 10 you most likely have 0 spell damage and healing, rendering the talent completely useless. Assuming that by level 20 you have 20 spellpower. A 5% bonus gives you +1 spellpower. While invaluable at the higher levels (50+ certainly), this seems useless for leveling. Of course, you could always go with Unbreakable Will =)

Comentado por 175557

y does this say "Increase your spell damage and healing" if they're both condensed into "spell power" in wotlk

Comentado por 191536

This talent has been changed a few days ago ... now it only affects instant spells.

However, I don't understand the description. They could have said "Increases your instant spells power by 5%", or is it really different ?

Comentado por Ieatcakelol

(Beta Build 8982)
The spells that go under the effect of Twin Disciplines are:

- Renew
- Prayer of Mending
- Desperate Prayer
- Circle of Healing
- Holy Nova
- Shadow Word: Pain
- Shadow Word: Death
- Devouring Plague
- Flash Heal and Smite under the effect of Surge of Light.
- Glyph of Power Word: Shield
- Glyph of Dispel Magic

Updated.

Comentado por Muffinsofdeath

This is damage and healing on all instant cast spells. Along with mind flay.

Comentado por verso

This doesn't improve VE? Based on the tooltip, it should.

Comentado por 31648

pretty useless 5 points for a discipline healer.

the only use for this talent would be holy priests looking for a small boost to circle of healing for raid purposes

id much rather put 1 point in improved renew than waste 5 points in this seeing as how the only spells that will benefit from the healing is renew and POM. +nobody ever uses holy nova.

most people using discipline spec to heal will be in arena. it would be a much wiser choice to put 5 points in unbreakable will, even though it is a horrible talent as well.

https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/talent=bxhrhhhtreo0fRtbx <- is my recommended disc spec for arena healing, its up to you wether you want 3/5 mental agility or move 1 point to inner focus

Comentado por 10186

"most people using discipline spec to heal will be in arena. "

I would strongly disagree with that as I see many people spec'ing disc for raiding. The tree has been come a really good single target healer(on par with the holy paladins). Rather then having a high healing throughput, they mitigate the damage on tanks so that other healers area not as strained.

Yes, disc priests still do amazingly well in PVP, but that is not what they are only good for.

Comentado por 171419

Although it is an instant spell, Vampiric Embrace doesn't deal any damage, hence it gains nothing from Twin Discipline.

Yes, but VE converts damage done into healing. It's a gray line whether it can be obtusely thought of as a "healing spell". Twin Disc. affects "damage and healing done", hence the likely reason the person above you asked this. I.E., "does it increase the healing provided by VE?"

And I don't know. It's unlikely, though, given the somewhat specific wording of the talent.

Comentado por tamriilin

This is a great talent, ESPECIALLY for arenas, since as an arena healer you're not -only- healing, you will also be doing a bit of damage.

Tested on live as 0/0/0 and 5/0/0 specs, twin disciplines DOES affect the absorbed amount of your PW:S.

That doesn't make any sense, but I suppose if it's tested....

I could understand if https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=33203 was what you were referring to; I don't understand how it effects PW:S though.

Comentado por 339106

Not sure if it has been mentioned, but this seems to make Lifeblood heal more.

Comentado por RivenRaven

Does this have any effect on Blessed Recovery that anyone is aware of?

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Apply Aura: Modifies Damage/Healing Done
Valor:5%
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
Feitiços Afetados:

	Levitar	Proteção contra Medo	Nova Sagrada
	Nova Sagrada	Nova Sagrada	Nova Sagrada
	Nova Sagrada	Nova Sagrada	Nova Sagrada
	Palavra Sombria: Morte	Palavra Sombria: Morte	Calcinação Mental
	Nova Sagrada	Nova Sagrada	Palavra Sombria: Morte
	Palavra Sombria: Morte	Forma de Sombra	Calcinação Mental
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	Açoite Mental	Infusão de Poder	Forma de Sombra
	Prece Desesperada	Prece Desesperada	Prece Desesperada
	Prece Desesperada	Prece Desesperada	Prece Desesperada
	Prece desesperada	Supressão de Dor	Círculo de Cura
	Círculo de Cura	Círculo de Cura	Círculo de Cura
	Círculo de Cura	Enlevo	Dor e Sofrimento
	Disciplinas Gêmeas	Disciplinas Gêmeas	Disciplinas Gêmeas
	Espírito Guardião	Círculo de Cura	Círculo de Cura
	Prece Desesperada	Prece Desesperada	Disciplinas Gêmeas
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Apply Aura: Modifies Periodic Damage/Healing Done (22)
Valor:5%
Multiplicador de JvJ: 1
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	Renovar	Palavra Sombria: Dor	Palavra Sombria: Dor
	Palavra Sombria: Dor	Palavra Sombria: Dor	Palavra Sombria: Dor
	Peste Devoradora	Renovar	Renovar
	Renovar	Renovar	Renovar
	Palavra Sombria: Dor	Palavra Sombria: Dor	Palavra Sombria: Dor
	Renovar	Renovar	Renovar
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	Peste Devoradora	Peste Devoradora	Peste Devoradora
	Peste Devoradora	Peste Devoradora	Renovar
	Renovar	Renovar	Palavra Sombria: Dor
	Palavra Sombria: Dor	Peste Devoradora	Renovar
	Renovar	Palavra Sombria: Dor	Palavra Sombria: Dor
	Peste Devoradora	Peste Devoradora

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