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Commentaire de Ugljesa

Nerfed to apply only to cats sadly :(

Commentaire de EvilElpay

Here is the big thing that people miss when it comes to talents. Yes this talent no longer effects bears for tanking, but does that make it a nerf to bears? At first the answer is "Yes, because I have 15% more damage that I take from AOE."

Then if you look at the whole picture, we can see where changing this talent allows us to have more flexibility in our talent trees. Yes, we still don't have that 15%, but we gain our avoidance and mitigation elsewhere, (like the changes to armor and agility on most tanking items.) If it wasn't for all of the other changes I would agree that this sucks, but this is for the bear's benefit as well as the survivability of the cat.

Yes, this is a nerf to the talent, but in the end you won't notice the 15% from AOE because of everthing else you gain. You will notice some more flexibility in the tree which is essential for hybrids, especially druids.

Commentaire de 170154

Personally I think this is a big nerf to Bearform. We don't gain avoidance of mitigation elsewhere because this is AoE dmg so it's spell casting; and dodge and armor are for melee only. (Unless something has been changed in the blizz mechanics that i am not aware of).

Its an "ok" talent for DPSing as in basic terms it means around about 1extra dps per 16. i.e. at 800 dps with this talent you would hit around 850 instead. (this calc is based on a random number generator with a 37% crit chance. Something to bear in mind is if you had a 100% crit chance you would only get 10% extra DPS so the higher your crit chance lower the % increase in DPS). However now it's only kitty based it has lost alot of its prowess within the tree imo.

I think it is a shame that blizz is starting to split up the feral free as much as it is as I prefered it when druids could very easily tank and dps but just not as well as the other classes could.

Commentaire de ga5ton

This is my take on this:

Let d=(average) damage on an attack capable of a critical hit.
p= crit chance (in decimal form, e.g. 25% = 0.25)
m = miss/parry/dodge chance (in decimal form)
n = number of attacks

Approximate damage without Predatory Instincts (PI) = n*p*2*d + n*(1-m-p)*d = (1+p-m)*n*d
Approximate damage with PI (rank 3) = n*p*2.2*d +n*(1-p-m)*d = (1+1.2*p-m)*n*d

Increase in damage percent wise = ((1+1.2*p-m)*n*d-(1+p-m)*n*d)/((1+p-m)*n*d)*100% =20p/(1+p-m) %

So if m=0.05 then:
25% crit chance ---> 4.17% damage increase
30% crit chance ---> 4.8% damage increase
35% crit chance ---> 5.38% damage increase
40% crit chance ---> 5.93% damage increase
45% crit chance ---> 6.43% damage increase

If m=0.1 then:
25% crit chance ---> 4.35% damage increase
30% crit chance ---> 5% damage increase
35% crit chance ---> 5.6% damage increase
40% crit chance ---> 6.15% damage increase
45% crit chance ---> 6.67% damage increase

Of course the damage increase only applies to attacks capable of critical hits. (I'm ignoring blocked attacks here).

If the above doesn't make sense look at a concrete example:
Suppose you have a crit chance of 25% and you attack 100 times and the (average) damage on each attack is 100. Let's say 5% of your attacks miss or get parried/dodged. Then your damage done is approximately 25*200+70*100+5*0 = 12,000. With PI this becomes 25*220+70*100+5*0=12,500. The increase is (12,500-12,000)/12,000 * 100% = 4.17%.

(Edit: changed formulas to account for miss/parry/dodge)

Commentaire de ga5ton

The way you imply this is (using the same %) that out of 100 attacks, 10 will miss and 25% of the remaining (90) attacks will crit, resulting in 22.5 critical attacks.

I'm not implying this. If you had carefully read my post, and in particular my concrete example, you would have seen that the miss % does not affect the crit % (unless it pushes crit off the table).

I'll repeat my example here:

If the above doesn't make sense look at a concrete example:
Suppose you have a crit chance of 25% and you attack 100 times and the (average) damage on each attack is 100. Let's say 5% of your attacks miss or get parried/dodged. Then your damage done is approximately 25*200+70*100+5*0 = 12,000. With PI this becomes 25*220+70*100+5*0=12,500. The increase is (12,500-12,000)/12,000 * 100% = 4.17%.

The 25 in 25*200+70*100+5*0 means that the miss percentage of 5% does not affect the crit percentage of 25%.

Sadly your marking down is incorrect :(

Edit: corrected typo in the example, I did not change the outcome of 4.17%

Commentaire de 305358

A nice talent, not amazing but agreed that every cat dps spec should have it. Lower than the rogue spec lethality which is 6% per talent point but this also applies to auto attacks and non-combo attacks which is nice.

Commentaire de Jeoandrg

Does this affect rip crits?

Commentaire de Punjab

Does this effect Auras like on Sapph or Hodir?

Commentaire de 469052

From a PvP perspective, are 3 points in this talent worth it over the likes of Improved MoTW and Master Shapeshifter? Crit damage can be lowered considerably by resilience, so would a 3 point investment for a 10% increase have more of a significant impact than if they were placed elsewhere?

Commentaire de 258919

This is one of those abilities that seperates a feral druid tank from a feral druid dps. There is really no reason a cat druid should skip out on this, but there is absolutely no reason a tank should spec into it.

The damage reduction gives you more time to activate that "out of the fire" instinct.

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Lorsque vous êtes en forme de félin, augmente les dégâts de vos coups critiques en mêlée de 10% et réduit les dégâts que vous infligent les attaques à zone d'effet de 30%.

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Apply Aura: [Mod Melee Critical Damage %] (Physique)
Valeur : 10%
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

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Apply Aura: [Mod AoE Damage Taken %] (Arcane, Feu, Givre, Nature, Ombre, Physique, Sacré)
Valeur : -30%
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1
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