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Kommentar von gnidleif

I like it, it's an arrows with a dynamite on it! It rocks!

Kommentar von iBeastMastery

Man, Blizzard's making every class buffed up!. Explosive shot has a 6 second Cooldown? And an AoE? Survival Hunters...the newest raiding criteria for AoE damage...

Let me run a scenario for some skeptical people...A pally tank has just pulled on him alot of mobs for an AoE pull, and there's a Survival Hunter in the Group...The hunter puts down an Explosive trap, after that, he uses Explosive Shot, and then Volley...Now, the DoT from both the Explosive shot and trap, stacked with The damge from the Volley give a great amount of AoE from a single person; but there's more, after Volley finishes, the Hunter can use Explosive Shot yet again, which leads to an amazing AoE combo from one single person.

This talent is going to make Survival Hunter's soooo good. :-)

P.S the Damage for Explosive shot from a Survival Hunter with 3000~4000 AP would be around 500~600 dps for two seconds, to the inital target, with 125~150 damage to surrounding targets.

Kommentar von Kurasu

Explosive Shot triggers an Arcane Shot CD. Be aware, hunters who want to use this in their shot rotations!

Kommentar von 190061

I would think this spell would replace arcane shot for any survival hunter honestly.
The overall damage is too nice counting the DoT, only time you would not use this is when it would break cc
or fire immune mob ^_^

Kommentar von 185878

After reading the tool tip and attempting to use these formulas for some theory craft, I've found an ambiguity.

The tool tip reads:

You fire an explosive charge into the enemy target, dealing - Fire damage. The charge will blast the target every second for an additional 2 sec. Each charge also deals - Fire damage to all nearby enemies within 5 yards of the target.

I'm wondering if the reduced AoE damage apply to the additional mobs and the original target, or just the additional mobs. In other words, is the formula for total damage done (including the dot):

* 3
or
+ * 2

I think it is safe to say that only the DoT damage would be applied to the other mobs, and that it would be of reduced damage, (by a factor of 4), but does that reduced damage apply to the main target of the shot. The reason for my confusion is that it does not explicitly state what the target is "blasted" for in the tool tip. It actually seems to go as far as to apply the reduced damage only to nearby enemies, but knowing Blizz, this could go either way. Is there anyone who may have data supporting one way or the other?

Kommentar von Ilovemuffins

Each tick of damage can crit individually.
The initial shot does the damage, then hits two more times over two seconds, for a total of three hits.
The charges do a small amount of AoE damage to all surrounding targets, with the blunt of the damage hitting your main target.

~~but the AoE is very small, making volley better for almost any AoE situtation. 2 or 3 mobs may be the ideal amount of mobs for Explosive Shot.~~

invalid arguments, it has no AoE now

Kommentar von Zheck

Great shot for Survival hunters. Each tick can crit for 200% and proc Thrill of the Hunt, Hunting Party, and Expose Weakness. Make sure it's always on CD.

Kommentar von 238333

If only these did knockback...

Kommentar von AtticaOnline

Does anyone know if the AOE effect breaks CC?

Kommentar von 226668

suprised no one has said this but this is a really great shot for getting back your mana, use AOTV and use this and watch as you gain back a load of mana.

Kommentar von 269245

Dont forget about https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=56342
explsove - arcane - explosive (or reversed arc- exp - arc) with no cooldown or mana =) OP hunters !
BUT honestly is the 51 explosive shot worth it?
im not yet level 80 my AP is around 2200 so dmg would be approx. 438 x 3 ? seems kind of low ... although i know once i hit 80 and get a little bit better gear , my AP will reach over 3k the dmg will still be somewhat low.

Thoughts? ...
although ... it is one of the coolest spells in the game imho.

Kommentar von Vaerondis

Using Freezing Arrow in conjunction with Lock and Load means you can shoot this three times with no GCD while remaining at a safe 41 yards (if specc'd). Unsure if Lock and Load will proc when using it on a raid boss tho, as they are immune.

Just a thought.

Kommentar von Zheck

Getting a significant buff in the next patch.

Rank 4: You fire an explosive charge into the enemy target, dealing Fire damage. The charge will blast the target every second for an additional 2 sec.

Looks like ES will go back to being the hard-hitter it once was! Getting rid of the AE will make it more practical, but you can't AoE grind with Lock And Load anymore.

Kommentar von 12690

What is the new formula for this, on the 3.0.8 PTR but with the slight nerf they added?

If it helps anyone figure it out, with a naked level 60 hunter at 240 AP, the level 80 rank does 519-615 according to the tooltip.

Kommentar von Danimalx23

If you're using ES for AE damage, then you must be missing your Volley ability...

Kommentar von 176560

Old Explosive Shot and the new version as of January 20, are both very good. Although I do miss the AE, the new shot is amazing at farming mobs with 10k-12k hp. Mine crits for 2200-2400 PER explosion which really takes down their health bar. Although I miss being able to hit multiple mobs at the same time in dungeons I have found this to be astoundingly better in PvP and dungeons with alot of CC. I do however think Blizzard should make a glyph that alters the current effect BACK into the old version.

Kommentar von 86026

does anyone know if armor pen is relevant to this? does explosive shot's "fire damage" bypass armor, or get mitigated thru it? this has pretty important gearing implications since as of 3.0.8 es is 38-45% of my damage

Kommentar von Hawkk

I have around 4k AP with AotD and the survival talents and this shot is just awesome. I'm Critting nearly all the time with it for about 3.1k.

The way the skill works is the inital shot will do damage then place a 2 second DoT onto the target which will inflict the shot once every second for (what i think is) the same amount as the first shot. The talent Lock and Load, TNT and Hunting Party also add to the effects of this shot and give it even more bang for its buck.

Kommentar von 149277

Just a question:
I'm new to survival spec, I've always been BM and my secondary spec was MM. With the recent patch BM is totally pointless if you want to be competitive for a DPS raid spot, and MM is inferior to Survival as well. So, much to my own disappointment I did what almost every other BM or MM hunter did, I went Survival.

So far I'm getting more DPS than the MM spec I tried.

My issue: I put Explosive shot into a cast sequence macro with serpents sting and arcane shot and after I hit explosive shot it seems to put both explosive and arcane shot on CD. Is this normal?

in case anyone wants the macro:

/castsequence reset=15/target Serpents sting, Explosive shot, Arcane shot, Explosive shot, Arcane shot, Explosive shot, Arcane shot, Explosive shot, Arcane shot

Basically I spam my steady shot and go back to this whenever it was off cooldown, but it always locked up at arcane shot.

Kommentar von silkfire

Nerfed in latest hotfix! Blizzard considered it very OP...

Kommentar von mmorpgaddict

Getting nerfed again in patch 3.1

Explosive Shot: Base damage lowered by 10%. Attack power scaling reduced by 12.5%.

Patch notes

Kommentar von Qariz

This spell rocks all other hunter talents : )

Kommentar von 328099

so its been confirmed that the initial target takes damage from the 2 sec DoT explo shot puts on it and if lock and load procs and u shoot 1 explo shot and puts the DoT on the target, if u shoot a 2nd explo shot and it hits b4 the DoT runs out will the DoT get overridden or will it stack or something

Kommentar von 250806

- Fire damage
Is it a negative number?

Kommentar von 313066

do + spell damage take debuffs affect this at all?

Kommentar von 140351

The new "I win" button for huntards. Kill any melee class in 5 seconds with this and lock and load. GJ Blizz!

Kommentar von 337248

It's da bomb!

This reminds me of the Rambo movies, where Rambo shoots a helicopter with an explosive arrow!

Kommentar von Qariz

Best hunter talent :)

Kommentar von 116979

I can't help but to QQ about this, but the incoming nerf for this was neccessary, at least from a PVP perspective.
It's just retarded that you can bring people from 100-50% HP with an 41 yard instant that has a 6 second cooldown.

You may think i'm exaggerating, but I've seen people in full hateful gear almost going under by 2x 41yard instant attacks: Explosive -> Aimed.

That's just not right..

Kommentar von vmega

Im wondering about the effectiveness of Explosive Shot VS Chimera Shot in pvp...Considering the the next 2 ticks of ES r dot and as such greatly lowered by resilience wouldnt it be better 2 fire a CS instead?
plz respond

Edit:After a lot of gold spent in retalents and tones of hours in dummys the resold is Chimera Shot > Explosive Shot..Oh and btw KnThrak its obvious that u do the most usuall spec in pvp,whether that is MM/Surv/BM,there rnt many so dont play the smartass..Im comparing the best possible talent trees
To conclude,The Chimera Shot isnt a lot better in dmg but dont forget the other options than pure dmg with this shot..That's what makes a Shot to Imba Shot

Kommentar von eli2112

Ok, even though I've been top 3 in the meter since I rerolled SV, this shot still has got me confused on it's mechanics, as I wondered whether it was actually a spell affected by RAP on base (but then spell power would affect it also) and what buffs (and target's debuffs) would affect it.

Doing some research lately I have found out part of the question answered on a wow forum thread:

I'd assume that since it does Fire Damage, any +spell dmg debuff on the target will increase it's damage. But here is an important bit: SPELL DAMAGE ON YOUR GEAR DOES NOT.

See it this way: There's Input and Output. The Input is based on RAP, the Output is fire damage. You cannot increase the Input by adding spell damage, but you can increase the Output by increasing the spell damage vulnerability of the target :)

Assuming that right, I still have my doubts about buffs or auras on the character that might be applying to exp shot, like moonkin's aura and stuff like Focus Magic or Shadow Crash.

I would really appreciate if anyone can confirm which buffs actually apply or what are the exact mechanics of the shot.

Kommentar von slowman21

Is Explosive shot consider a "harmful spell"? Fire damage?

Kommentar von slowman21

I really just want to know if it can proc

https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=48018#comments:id=796873

Kommentar von hordald

With the way that weapon damage is going up each patch/tier. Explosive Shot is going to need a buff to the RAP co-efficient or somehow scale with weapon DPS/ammo DPS.

Kommentar von 405539

I can't find this anywhere: does RAP stand for Ranged Attack Power?

Kommentar von 408011

i play a shaman, and when i see a hunter, i just want to run away in fear. why? just becouse of this spell, saw it criting for 3.6k. that makes it over 10k in 2sec... and it's spammable... and now when i read it even got nerfed at some point, it dosnt make any sense. nerf more pls? (hunters pls stay away from this post rating)

Kommentar von 230590

now i'll say first that i play MM on my hunter... but you cant simply say one spec's shot does more damage than another unless you consider 2 main factors

chimera definitely does more per hit with serpent on, especially if your weapon is ahead of your gear, and has 2 extra uses as utility including the ability to daze via concussive barrage, but when it comes to explosive shot, you have numbers on your side

you can only fire a chimera every 9/10sec, where explosive is every 6, and can fire off 3 in a row with a lock and load proc... leading to more damage with multiple explosives (MM dps usually has chimera as 3rd or even 4th source of dps, where SV almost always has explosive as top damage source)

that also brings up another thing since i mentioned weapons... if your gear is good, but your weapon is poor, chimera wont perform as well as it should since its weapon dependant, where explosive hits the same regardless of weapon, some would say that SV has the advantage for starting hunters as well

and as said by KnThrak, its apples and oranges, both specs do similar damage, but they have several different sources of damage, only sharing auto/steady/serpent (even aimed is fairly different on how it works with MM or SV)

Kommentar von Drakeblade

Explosive Shot Pwns! beacause that it will hard 3 times, and if u are raid geared, ull crit 3-7k everytime. That means it out dps Arcane shot alot!

Kommentar von Rorynn18

I've seen several comments here regarding Lock and Load procs enabling Explosive Shot spam...

Remember to wait 0.5 sec. in addition to the 1.5 sec. GCD between your Explosive Shots during L&L, otherwise you'll be overwriting (read: losing) ticks of the 2 sec. fire DoT component of the shot.

Reference: http://www.warcrafthuntersunion.com/2009/01/suvival-hunter-shot-cycle/

Here is a demonstration of proper Explosive Arrow usage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAiPAyCV41Y

Kommentar von 466565

Have fun getting 100% of crits with L&L (3x3). I had it once. Poor pally.

Kommentar von executable

Considering this does fire damage , can it be somehow reflected using a mage talent called "Molten shields" ?
Would be weird , but cool.

Kommentar von 566809

Can Explosive Shot be blocked somehow ?

Kommentar von Netherwing

Erm... Bubble? It's a pro at blocking. Though its main reason is hs. Paladin guides rule number one is "have a heartstone macroed to your bubble".

If this hurt any palies feelings, know that that was the point of it. Hunters > palies. Well hunters > all.

Kommentar von 574857

MAH ARROW ASPLODES!

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7% von Grundmana	35 Meter Reichweite

6 sek. Abklingzeit

Feuert ein Explosivgeschoss, das beim feindlichen Ziel (Ranged attack power * 0.14 + 386) bis (Ranged attack power * 0.14 + 464) Feuerschaden verursacht. Die Sprengladungen verursachen 2 sec lang pro Sekunde weiteren Schaden.

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2 sekunden

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7% von Grundmana

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35 Meter (Hunter)

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6 sekunden

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1.5 sekunden

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Apply Aura: [Periodic Dummy]
Wert: 386 alle 1 sekunde
PVP-Multiplikator: 1

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Träger wirkt Proc-Auslöser
Kann nicht verwendet werden, während Ihr gestaltverwandelt seid
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Beginnt zu ticken, sobald die Aura angewendet wird

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