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Kommentar von Reeve

In patch 2.3 PTR the following change was made:

Improved Seal of the Crusader (Retribution) benefits folded into the base spell. This talent now gives the benefits of the Sanctified Crusader talent instead.

On PTR 2.3 the tool-tip for Rank 7 SotC shows the seal increasing melee attack power by 562 (+88) and JotC increasing Holy damage taken by up to 266 (+47).

Kommentar von SilentJ

With the changes made in Patch 2.3, this talent has become incredible. Think of it as having Berserker Stance without taking 10% more damage.

Kommentar von 120142

Does this affect spell criticals?

Kommentar von Swordy

it doesnt show the debuff on the target or in the tooltip. does it actually work?

Kommentar von 78621

Swordy asked: "it doesnt show the debuff on the target or in the tooltip. does it actually work?"

I've seen the difference in crit rating on my DPS meters whilst testing the effect, and there is a increase on average of about 1.5-2.5% of my average crit rate. So it does look like it works.

If you have a good DPS meter like Recount, you can break down your stats to see your Crit ratings etc in real action. Hence I can see the difference and Imp SoC does work.

Kommentar von Cuphat

No talents that add an additional affect shows that in tooltips. (Though talents that improve an effect does show on the spell tooltip but not that debuff tooltip.)

Kommentar von Philmckraken

For Wrath of the Lich King: Seal of the Crusader is no more, its effects have been folded into existing spells where applicable.

The new version of this spell appears to increase the crit chance against the target when any debuff judgement is active. So, the ret paladin now gets the effect of the old Improved Judgement of the Crusader and Judgement of Wisdom in one, bringing more mana and more crit chance for everyone in the raid.

Kommentar von 22744

"Heart of the Crusader":
Does this mean that if you have 3 pallies spec'd with this in a raid (2 ret and 1 prot for example), that this will be able to give your whole raid 9% more crit!
Via: Judgement of Light, Judgement of Wiz, and Judgement of Justice. Since Seal/Judgement of the Crusader does not exist anymore.
This talent already seems very poweful for raiding.

Kommentar von 66259

Room to take it even as prot :)

Kommentar von 219216

Talented in 2nd Tier of Ret Tree costing 3 points.

Side note, with as tight as the prot tree is I seriously doubt you will find anyone talenting this as prot. Plus retribution paladins should be a little more common and not as handicapped as before so there really shouldn't be any reason for them not to grab this.

Kommentar von 10128

This talent has the same effect as (and thus does not stack with) the Elemental Shaman's Totem of Wrath.

Kommentar von 49410

i was wondering is this worth geting as a port pala 2/3 cuz in the build up im going to use i have been left whit 2 talent points that i dont know what put it on ...

Kommentar von 91216

This is the best comment yet.
And one of the PRIMARY reasons if you raid as Prot not to take this talent.

If you're doing 5-mans, it's a good talent. If you're solo'ing, it's a good talent. Otherwise, it's a waste (for those Ret people) in 99% of 25-man situations.

For Prot, a better talent is Conviction. You can spec out 5% Parry, and 10% less mana usage. Then grab up 5/5 Conviction and skip this talent. For Holy, I'd rather have BoK honestly.

For Ret, you might as well grab it since you'll probably be doing PvP.

Kommentar von 232710

the real question about this is, if i got it on me
do the +crit apply to my selfheals

Kommentar von Bliksem

The 3% crit mob debuff does not stack with:

Totem of Wrath - Elemental Shaman talent
Master Poisoner - Assassination rogue talent

Kommentar von 195614

I'm assuming this doesn't stack if 3 paladins use different judgements with this talent?

Kommentar von dingbot1

Does not stack with Totem of Wrath, Winter's Chill, or Improved Scorch.

If you have a mage with either of those, this will not allow them to apply their debuff, and thus not go past 3%, to the possible 5%, losing 2% crit chance. Not a big deal, but something to know.

Another thing to know is it only applies if your judgement hits.

Kommentar von 312839

does this thing work against everything?
i am usually protection spec but i took it when i respecced retri a few days ago. it worked against all the trash, but it didn't display as a debuff on the boss. does it work against most bosses?

Kommentar von Toldry

Does the +3% chance to crit apply to the Judgement itself? (The one you use to apply the debuff to your target)

Kommentar von 235651

OK, i am a TANK i went part into ret, now with me and a holy pally in raid i noticed today we are all getting replenishment, does this spell do that? im SURE it does but im just looking for confirmation.
thx

Kommentar von Lauranthalas

I thought it might be interesting for paladins to know that the application of the HotC effect is considered an 'offensive spell', despite applying a physical debuff.

Will test with more trinkets/proc effects, most importantly Black Magic, before replying here.

Kommentar von Thottbot

Does this increase everyone's crit% in the raid? Including spells?

Kommentar von gegeb

does this effect affect everyone in the raid?

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