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评论来自
Vincenzo
What exactly does it mean by "get greater results"?
评论来自
10501
what level do you have to be to specialize? I'm 350 Alchy and 67 and the trainer at Thrallmar Apothecary Antonivich still has a gray '!' for me.
评论来自
18830
I did the transmutation quest some time ago and have done 4-5 transmutes now, still haven't gotten any "greater results".
Really starting to think i should have gone for Elixir mastery instead.
评论来自
10742
375 Alchemy, Transmutation Mastery, Did a primal might transmute and got 5x Primal Mights. When this does proc, it is definitely nice.
评论来自
15346
4 Primal Mights is pretty damn expensive for chosing this path, in my opinion. Too bad you don't get any of the 4 back that you have to bring to him :(
评论来自
6521
Does this only occur when transmuting Primal Might, or does it also work with other transmutations (arcanite, essences, elemental fire, whatever)?
评论来自
22622
The proc rate for a 2x transmutation return is 16%, for 3 it is 10%, goes down from there till you get to 5x being a 3.33% proc rate.
Confirmed.
评论来自
whizkid
It not only procs for multiple results, I just discovered (learned) a new recipe (quite useless though...) doing a primal might transmutation:
Transmute: Primal Water to Shadow
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=28581
Did 2 transmutes so far, still no multiple result proc...
评论来自
29162
I made like over 20 transmutes, I was sure this mastery was bugged or broken, then suddenly BLAM, you create 5x primal might. What I'm trying to say is if you don't get any procs in 20 transmutes, don't worry, eventually you will.
评论来自
30106
Ive had this for a long time. Ive made about 12 Primal Mights and only had 1 extra x2 ever. So I would say this is a very low percentage for you to get an extra transmute. I wish I went for Master of Elixirs= ((
评论来自
33925
I thought transmutation was a 24hr cool down. Y is it 48 hrs now?
评论来自
14067
I've done over 20 Primal Might transmutes since becoming a Master Transmuter and have yet to see it proc.
Anyone else have this problem ?
评论来自
37437
Any way to switch to another mastery yet?
评论来自
grintogg
DO NOT CHOOSE THIS MASTERY
I just dropped alchemy (transmute mastery) to relevel to Elixir master. Due to never geting a proc in 2/3 months.
When i was a high enough alchemy level the guy in Shattarah allowed me to learn the mastery without doing the quest, or handing him the items.
Obviously handing in 4 primal mights originally was sufficient to allow me access to all masteries (As long as i was prepaired to regrind alchemy - which wasnt too painful)
评论来自
46470
It may be worth noting that Transmutation Mastery does proc on Arcanite transmutes as well.
评论来自
50631
do i need to have alchemy lvl of 375 for it to proc more frequently?
评论来自
Milker
I advise against it. Did 20-30 transmutes, got 2 extra reagents (primal might). If we say 1x primal might = 100g then you need:
400g to get transmutation (the 4 primal might for the quest)
5000g to get even (50 transmutes for 4 extra might)
1300 to get your first profitable might.
So 6700g investment to make 100g profit. Compare that to the 2000g of silver and junk you can vendor, which dropped from the 10050 elementals you killed, it's hardly noticable in your wallet you even have the profession.
评论来自
Kathucka
You can transmute a Might or Diamond once a day with this. These are worth roughly 100G each, so you have a hard cap of 100G of mastery alchemy a day if you choose this path.
If you mix more than 100G worth of potions or elixirs/flasks per day on average, choose another path. Otherwise, this one is the best, financially speaking.
评论来自
Tauton
Just to be certain, the diamonds proc with this speciality aswell, yes?
I am a transmute master, and am making diamonds, but no proc yet, so i just wanted to make sure :)
评论来自
50631
yeah it procs for diamonds for your info, it proc for me :)
评论来自
32688
I'm Transmution Master and today I did a discovery!
Got Transmute Primal Life to Earth.
Does anyone know if it procs Discovery when im doing potions as well? or is it just on transmutes when im Transmution Master.
评论来自
29500
A good idea here is to get the 4 Primal Might needed for the quest, Xmuted by a guildie Master Xmuter if they don't need a cooldown...
Sure you're "wasting" skill points... but I think the chance for a proc is better.
There isn't any need for skillpoints after 350 anyway for a xmuter.
Our general rule is that Guildies get the procs, but sold xmutes only get the 1, and alchy keeps the spoils.
评论来自
58126
Transmute Mastery used to be respectable before the last major content patch:
I would get 1 or 2, X2-5 procs per week, transmuting every day.
Pretty good, considering the cost of the mastery.
Since then (maybe 1-2 months) transmuting every day, I have only gotten 1 x2 proc. WORTHLESS!
IMO, you would be far better off with one of the other 2 masteries, since Blizzard broke this one.
评论来自
56470
""I'm Transmution Master and today I did a discovery!
Got Transmute Primal Life to Earth.
Does anyone know if it procs Discovery when im doing potions as well? or is it just on transmutes when im Transmution Master""
I discovered the same xmute while i was making elixirs,
and beeing elixir master.
Now, im thinking to respect.
anyone know whats in it?
What im gonna lose what i have to pay, and how can i come back to the same i was?
EG:
elixir master-->xmute master--->elixir again.
whats the loss?
and if u do the xmute master quest, and go back to elixir mastery and then again to xmute,
u have to do the 4 primals again?
You can see my point. is it worth it changing profession mastery several times?
评论来自
Sixotoo
I havent played this toon in quite a while. Is there a way to tell if you have a mastery skill and which one it is?
评论来自
22991
im a 375 alch i've got most of the xmute discoveries and with my xmute's i've had terrible luck with procs maybe 1 in a 31 day month for a period or i've also seen x5 procs back to back for a week strait so just a note this can be very odd for procs.
评论来自
82484
I just can't help but feel that Transmutation Mastery is more of a "hardcore" specialization
by that I mean more inclined to either sell your xmute in /2 consistently or grind the mats daily
for more casual players who play a little more loose with their professions it seems Potion or Elixir mastery would be more of a boon
thoughts?
评论来自
blupache
In my view it depends partially whether you look at it as an individual or guild, and partially on how much & what style of raiding you do:
- Elixir Mastery procs on flasks & elixirs - the major advantage being the extra flasks. Flasks are mostly only available to those who've done some serious rep grinding, while simultaneously being of most use to those who're raiding new content - situations where you're expecting to wipe multiple times getting the strategy down. Most/all classes actually get more benefit out of a battle/guardian combo, the key use of Flasks being when you expect to wipe a bit & you'd rather only use 1 flask for 2 hours rather than having to drink another elixir/pot after every wipe.
- Potion Mastery is probably best for the genuine casual player - people who aren't going to be logging in every day and just like a bit of weekend WoW. You can farm up whatever potion's selling the best & make boatloads of them, getting a bit of extra gold to finance your character and hopefully buy some nice crafted/BoE items to make up for the high-end raid gear you're missing out on.
- Transmution Mastery is the most use to a serious guild. If you're a serious, organised guild then it's advantageous if you only have 1 or 2 Flask & Potion masters who make all the guild's pots - they should be helped grind through so they have every rep and drop formula, & with the amount of stuff they're making should get all the discoveries quite rapidly. While this might sound appealing for those 2-4 players getting all the recipes, but remember that they'll need to be available regularly to spend *hours* just pumping out potions/elixirs/flasks like some sorta alchemical dairy cow - it's a great way to burn people out & make them quit the game. Every other alchemist in the guild should be a Transmute Master and be pumping out Primal Might &/or the two diamonds every day - the transmutes which you can *only* get via being an alchemist, and hence which have greater supply/demand issues because of the xmute cooldown. Don't bother with the normal primal transmutes - they can be farmed, hence it's a wasted CD.
On an individual cash front: Pots or Flasks is the way to go, depending on your commitment to rep grinding. On my server stuff like Primal Might is actually worth equal to slightly less than the mat costs, and given the once-a-day pray-for-a-proc nature you just can't compete with the profit margin on pots/flasks. In my case, it's been 10 xmutes since i had an xmute proc hence I'm either breaking even or loosing small amount of money on all those 10 xmutes - if I'd spent the same amount of time farming for herbs as I have for primals I'd be waaaay ahead on the gold front, even if my 11th xmute later today were to proc for 5 primal mights.
On the other hand, with Transmution Mastery you're producing slightly more of a fundamentally limited commodity so it's primary use is if you actually need that commodity and would rather be self-sustainably farming rather than running the risk of demand/supply price fluctuations on the AH. Making everyone in the guild a flask/potions master & gambling that the extra gold will always just enable you to buy someone else's transmutes would be an option, but it's a higher risk approach which means you're in more trouble when new content comes out (prices rise dramatically & you have to grin and pay it or do without).
评论来自
Archangel
Many people are complaining about customers wanting the extra stuff from this spec. Actually, I am an Elixir master. I mostly serve my guild, however I have many discovered flasks that the rest of the server wants.
My advertisement states that, a) I am an Elixir Master, b) I charge a little extra if I am going to be making Elixirs, however c) Extra Elixirs are split 50/50, erring on the side of the customer.
Seriously, you can make bank off of this. Tell them up front, "I charge 10g for the Xmute and I will split any extra Primals with you 50/50, with you getting the lopsided one should there be any." He hands you 10g, plus the mats, you pump out 5xPrimal Mights, he walks away VERY happy with 3, you walk away with an easy 10 gold plus 2xFREE Primal Mights in your pocket!
Don't think in black and white, who gets ALL or NONE of the extras. You can really make extra. Those 20 Xmutes you went through without a single proc, well, at least you got the extra 5g for each Xmute!
Cheers!
评论来自
106124
I do not think the master of transmutation is worth it. I have created 24 primal mights since getting the master and have only had 1 proc for 2 mights. How many other people are seeing nothing or next to nothing from this?
评论来自
110732
Hmmm, not sure if this is bugged or i am just very unlucky or something else.... maybe im doing something wrong but i made 8 primal mights and 6 primal waters so far,
Wich is 14 transmutes and i got exactly 0! procs... hmm sounds bugged to me :p
评论来自
136258
another interesting idea is to make the diamonds and then take them to a jewelcrafter and have them cut it into a popular meta and give them the appropriate tip. cut metas on my server go for well over 200g sometimes 300 depending on the rarity of the recipe. the 7-10g tip for the jewelcrafter can sometimes mean an extra 100g for the same amount of work
评论来自
AbyssKnight
I've been a Transmute master for about a month now, been buying Primals off the AH and making a Primal Might every day (I used to make Earthstorm Diamonds, but the availability of the gems needed is crap now, I wonder why >_>), and I've only gotten one extra, on the second day. It's been almost a month now with no extras (oddly enough, that one proc was before 2.4), I've already talked to a GM who said they're not aware of any problem, but they'll look into it. As far as I'm concerned, this is broken, at least for me :P
评论来自
Charinna
#4 Offer the full results of the transmute to whoever is buying, but at a higher price. You have a 20% chance of producing 1-4 extra products. If it's a Primal Might transmute, and that sells for 100g on your server, the expected value of the extra is 100g * 20% * (1 + 4) * 4 / 2 / 4 = 50g.
When I first learned my transmute mastery, I logged all my transmutes for about two months. Overall, I netted 20% extra primals, NOT 20% proc rate. My proc rate was lower but the net was about 20% if you consider that some procs are for 2, 3 or 4 additional ones. This was around patch 2.2 time.
According to my math then, the value of a transmute if 120% of the value of the final product, i.e. if what you're transmuting is 100g then the "value" of it is 120g.
Unfortunately, on my server sometimes people don't even tip 20g, which means it isn't worth it for me to hang around and transmute for other people. Even at 20g tip, that's the true value of your transmute assuming it was free to train (which it is not).
Skyfire diamonds now sell for about 200g on my server. I do not kid myself that anyone would ever tip me 40g to transmute a diamond, even for cases when it does not proc.
Of course, the above tip statistics assume that you hand out any procced stuff.
A big problem (again, on my server) is that some alchemists don't really understand business (or basic math). Primal mights often sell for less than the cost of their mats. (and if you factor in the 20% profit, you might break even if you're lucky). And if you try to trade mats for mights, people often don't tip. People think this is reasonable behavior probably because there are alchemists out there who don't speak up.
评论来自
156604
You can spec as a Potion Master (which is fairly easy and very cheap), pay 150g to unlearn it and then pick up Elixir Master for free (no extra fee, no mats, no quest). I did this today and imagine the same would go for Transmutation.
评论来自
33826
i do it like this:
i tell them im a transmute master and that my transmutes has a chance to proc up to 4 from the mats of 1. due to the expensive quest i tell them i charge 25g simply for the chance of the procs. beyond that i offer to sell em any procs for 50% of AH prices. so if i get 3 mights from the mats of one (takin example of 100g each) if he wants em all he must pay me 125g (25 for the first one then 50+50 for the procs).
untill now this has worked well with me. feedback on it appreciated
评论来自
157081
Can this still proc on Arcanite? I've made maybe 30 or 40 since getting it, plus one primal per day, and haven't got any extras yet.
评论来自
oterlars
Well, as stated earlier this doesn't really proc that often. Over the past 25 days i have written down what kind of procs i got, and im not impresed at all:
1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,2
评论来自
notquitegosu
Strangely enough, you can put this ability on your action bar; clicking it will bring up your alchemy window, so you can actually replace your alchemy button, if you got bored of it.
Interesting bit of trivia, though pointless.
Edit: With the introduction of profession links, this actually does have a use. When opening your profession window with this button, your profession link will read instead of simply .
评论来自
Altara
I just completed the quest to get this specialisation. Then I did the Transmute Primal Water to Primal Air and it gave me 5 Primal Airs!
This is so good when it procs and you get additional mats, I wish I went xmute spec a long time ago.
评论来自
jclement30
Does anyone know if Blizzard screwed with Transmutation master? I get multiple procs far, far less than I used to. Basically, ever since the latest patch came out. Since then, (about 2 months), I've been processing primal mights every day, and have gotten only 2 multiple procs, and they were both 2. I didn't bust my butt to get xmute master only to lose on this deal. This sux.
评论来自
113367
It is a waste of money i say. My friend said to me that i can get 1-6 primal mights. I always get 1 primal might and one time i had 2. But i make every day 1 primal might. On my server the mats are cheaper than the primal might so i buy them and I can make money with that, its easy and fast.
I hope that i get one time 6 primal mights.
评论来自
dasbaum
do the old transmutes have a chance to discover new ones?
and where can i learn eternal might?
评论来自
Therulnig
Question,
Now that Meta gems are off the Transmute cooldown - does Transmutation Mastery Proc off the Northrend Metas?
If so, this Mastery just blew Elixir Mastery out of the water.
评论来自
mimicron
Yes, it procs from Northrend metas
Btw, looks like the easiest spec to pick, since Botanica and Black Moras seems abandoned and primals seem cheap.
评论来自
286310
Can anyone confirm if the transmutation mastery still procs with Northrend transmutes?
评论来自
Kamshaft
the thing that must change i that i see that causes xmute master to lose profit right now is that when i xmute say Titanium, all my other xmutes are also on a CD thats a bunch of BS. Xmuting metals and xmuting eternals should each have there own CD, say like u can xmute 1 eternal of each per day. not having the same cd that is as the others.
评论来自
235419
Info -
Yes this procs from primals, eternals, metals and meta gems.
You can get UP TO 5x of the item you were Transmuting.
It works on ALL of the items above.
IT'S TOTALLY RANDOM SO STOP TRYING TO SAY IT'S NOT. -_-
Record so far is 3x Titanium Bar in one Transmute and 5x Arcanite Bar.
评论来自
Doomgrip
To learn an alchemy mastery you will have to do a quest.
Lilyssia Nightbreeze
is the Alliance quest giver and
Yelmak
is the Horde quest giver. All quests have been upgraded to Cataclysm ingredients.
Elixir Master
Potion Master
Transmutation Master
If you want to switch mastery you can talk to the quest giver to unlearn your current mastery. You will then have to perform another one of the three quests listed above to learn a new mastery.
评论来自
306315
Question:
If i was Elixir Master and i have discover a lot of new recipe, then i decide to switch to Transmutation master. Would I unlearn all the discover elixir recipe automaticly? or i could still keep them all?
评论来自
322816
Just wanted to add some bulk sample data from this mastery for anyone interested.
Today's transmutes:
99 Earthsiege Diamonds transmuted + 19 procs = 118 total
46 Skyflare Diamonds transmuted + 4 procs = 50 total
All procs were x2, nothing higher.
评论来自
320226
How to get all of Eternal transmutations? Easily!
1) Skillup alchemy to 395 and
STOP
make anything what can skillup you except next steps. (You can still make grey items)
2) Get 4 of
Saronite Bar
(AH, friends, ...) and make
Titanium Bar
. You definitely discover some transmutatinos
3) Get
WHAT
you need for make discovered transmutaton. (If you discovered Earh -> Shadow, so you need one Eternal Earth) and just transmute it. You have
HIGH
chance to discover another transmutation. (and you get it ;) )
4) Wait for cooldown (20 hours) and then make next transmute. ( just use Eternals what you have and what you can transmute) and you probably get another transmutation.
5) Repeat steps 3 and 4 until you discover all of the Eternal transmutations
I do this and i get
ALL
(12) discover in 15 transmutations (and 3 procs). After the last one i just skill up my alchemy to 450.
When the transmutations are "orange" you have almost 100% chance to discovery (i always get it). When it's "yellow" you stil have a high chance to discover some new transmutations
So
DON'T
rush with your skilling and take a time. Transmutations gets "green" on 415 and that's low chance to discover something. When it goes "grey" (skill 425), you probably don't get any discovery, because the chance is TOO LOW and you will need make
Transmute: Earthsiege Diamond
or
Transmute: Skyflare Diamond
which is more expensive than Eternal transmutations.
I hope this help you :)
Holy
(and sorry for my english)
评论来自
324579
ive been considering alchemy for quite a while now but i was thinkin the Xmute is the most profitable, is this right?
if so, im going Xmute :)
评论来自
43226
Can anyone confirm or deny any alteration to the xmute proc rate? I myself have gone two weeks with zero procs on eternals <though I have not done metas which I know are linked to the rate> and have had other claim they have gone long periods as well without a sinlge proc.
Also, as people have stated, in the past the procs were linked, but perhaps has this changed as well? Metals, eternals and metas have their own stats? Prior to my dryspell, I had been doing titanium and would get a proc every few days. Nothing major, just one or two extra. This lead me to try my luck at eternals, and now my dry spell.
评论来自
AngusMacBeer
I abandoned transmutation in WotLK. Its just no longer worth it, and won't be until either Eternal Mights are brought in, or all eternal xmutes have their cooldowns removed. The MOST profit I can make off a transmute where I buy the mats is about 10 gold on my server. On the other hand, as an Elixir Master I can buy mats and make 50 flasks in a day, and proc 10 bonus flasks. That's about 200 - 300 gold in bonus procs, depending on which flask (Frost Wyrm and Endless Rage generally sell best).
Meta Gems are barely worth the cost of their mats anymore, and unless you're an alchemist AND a JC (an unlikely combination) you're going to probably have to pay for the cuts, then compete in the cut gems market on your AH which is ALSO flooded (because gems are easy to come by), and I can't transmute titanium without taking a LOSS when you compare the costs of saronite and titanium.
Basically, by getting rid of the Meta cooldown, and delaying the release of Eternal Might, Blizzard destroyed any reason anyone would want to be transmutation spec beyond skill 350. So do yourself a favor, and fly to stormspire and spend the 150g to re-spec. Take it from me and my Traveller's Tundra Mammoth, your bank account will be glad you did.
评论来自
lockh33d
I haven't had a single proc since the expansion launched... is there a bug or something or just the worst imaginable luck? Time to switch masteries it seems =\
评论来自
AngusMacBeer
Its terrible luck, plus you only get 1 chance for proc a day unless you're doing meta gems. Time for a change.
评论来自
AngusMacBeer
Okay, so I respecced for JC and I have discovered that speccing transmutation and cutting your own earthsiege diamonds is the next-best thing to a license to print money.
I farm eternal fires while prospecting on an alt, so all the mats are free. Even if they weren't, eternal fires go for about 20g each. The two green gems are MAYBE 3g total, 5 if you're a bad shopper. For that 25g investment I will get at LEAST one gem I can cut and sell for 70g (Austere and Eternal earthsiege diamonds seem to go best), and sometimes two.
In the past two days, I've done 10 meta gem xmutes, and I've had two bonus procs. That's 140 free gold, which nearly covers the cost of re-speccing right there. Any bonus procs after this is profit.
Still, I'm hoping eternal mights show up in 3.2.0.
评论来自
zigtoria
since i started transmuting on my death knight, the metas do not have a CD and do not have a chance for a discovery.
transmuting titanium is the only way to start discovering eternal transmutes. (although i have not confirmed that transmuting pre-wrath transmutes does not proc wrath discoveries)
currently the cooldown on any transmute that has a cooldown is shared and is 20 hours. that includes, but is not limited to: eternal transmutes, primal transmutes, titanium and perhaps others.
as a side note for those who are wondering: Northrend Alchemy Reasearch does NOT discover transmutes.
评论来自
230816
Is anyone else starting to feel like Transmute Mastery is a dead profession? I hear that Potion Mastery is as well. I have discovered every single transmute - excluding Eternal Might of course (as if that will ever actually go live). I used to make BANK off of Primal Mights...but, all the Eternals...well, just seems like a waste. Sure, they're used for mats in a fair amount of stuff, but it sure doens't seem like the % of profit with Xmute Spec is anywhere what it was pre-WOTLK.
Thoughts, comments, gripes...?
评论来自
291891
It appears that transmute mastery will find new life in patch 3.2, as Alchemists will be able to transmute Epic gems from raw materials. If epic gems are anything like they were in the final months of Burning Crusade, then this could be a serious money maker for Transmute Masters. It's just a matter of waiting to see what the mats for an epic gem transmute are, and if the transmute spell will have a substantial cooldown.
评论来自
WowheadPoster
In Patch 3.2.0 transmute spec will get a major boost (which is great since it has been kinda lagging since LK dropped).
The following gems can be transmuted by an Alchemist
without a cooldown
. The link is to a blue post confirming what Alchemists on the PTR are experiencing. I have xmuted dozens in a row and the lack of CD is
not
a bug. So, expect the epic gems to come more into a reasonable line as far as prices go after a few weeks of the patch.
(6/30/09) Build 10048: The 20 hour CD has been placed on epic xmutes and significant changes have been made to the materials required. The information below has been updated as of the stated build.
Transmutable gems in 3.2.0 and the required materials:
Cardinal Ruby
: 1
Scarlet Ruby
and 1
Eternal Fire
instead of 3
Eye of Zul
Majestic Zircon
: 1
Sky Sapphire
and 1
Eternal Air
instead of 3
Sky Sapphire
King's Amber
: 1
Autumn's Glow
and 1
Eternal Life
instead of 1
Majestic Zircon
and 2
Eternal Life
Dreadstone
: 1
Twilight Opal
and 1
Eternal Shadow
instead of 3
Twilight Opal
Eye of Zul
: 3
Eternal Life
instead of 3
Forest Emerald
Ametrine
: 1
Monarch Topaz
and 1
Eternal Shadow
instead of 1
Majestic Zircon
and 2
Eternal Shadow
评论来自
WowheadPoster
I'm not
too
offended by this prospect, certainly not how I would run my business if I were xmute (potions atm since I can buy the raw mats off the AH, break even selling the base pots back and end up making a profit on the procs, can do this all day long as well).
I understand the chemist's position; attaining a mastery is usually a relatively time consuming or expensive task. God help you if you want to be elix spec off the bat post-BC, BM is all but dead. However, you have to look at it from the customer's side as well. A proc off their mats is an extension of their own investment or hard work, which to me is just as legitimate a claim as the chemist's "mastery costs a lot".
All that being said, a chemist can run procs however he/she chooses as long as they are upfront about it. I know a lot of chemists who *don't* xmute in front of clients, simply transferring a ready made primal when the mats are traded. I tend to think this is the cleanest method.
However, the most balanced aspect to me is one of two choices:
1. Charge a flat rate for the xmute and include the potential procs without charging extra for them. In this case, a standard rate of x gold which is higher than you would charge for "the chance" at procs and 50% of AH value would actually make you more money over the long run as well as foster return visits from customers.
2. Don't charge anything for the basic xmute but either have a set rate for how much to buy each proc OR that you keep all procs. More of a gamble on the chemist's side, but, takes very little output energy.
Charging people both for the xmute and then through the nose for procs is well... I don't know. You may find a bunch of people willing to take that deal, but, you also might get a very bad rep for greed etc. But, whatever the market will support is the going rate, so, guess it all depends.
We will see how the new xmute culture/business models develop with the inclusion of xmute epic gems in 3.2; if nothing else, it will being transmute back to the fore as far as profit margin is concerned. And, if you have JCing on an alt along with mining... Just piles of gold will be falling into your bags.
评论来自
hashmel
Good now more xmute masters can qq about how they're entitled to the proc off someone else's mats.
If someone else farms their own mats and pays for your xmute and time then why are you entitled to their goods?
Given the tip should
ALWAYS
change to compensate but I've no idea where that sense of self-entitlement came from.
If a scribe mills herbs for you they don't keep the rare inks
If a rogue picks a lock for you they don't ask to see what's inside and call dibs
If a jewelcrafter crafts some
uncommen gems
for you they don't get dibs on any
gem perfection
procs
If a jewelcrafter prospects ore for you they don't keep any rare gems
And if a jewelcrafter crafts an icy prism with your mats and tip you don't expect them to take a peak and keep any dragon's eyes that're in it
I don't know what it is with alchemists and enchanters that gives them that sense of self-entitlement, alchemists think other peoples' goods belong to them and enchanters attempting to claim anything shiny that drops for a group then trying to auction it off to them or run off with it.
We
ALL
work for our professions, we
ALL
invested a large amount into leveling them, as for chanters we
ALL
killed the mob that just dropped the professor plum and as such we
ALL
have an equal claim to it.
If someone brings the mats and pays for the cooldown/service then they're entitled to any procs or rare items but it is to be expected for the tip and gratitude to compensate for the outcome.
评论来自
joshychrist
finally procced on an xmute after many, MANY months of not getting a proc
for anyone out there who wants to go alchemy to make money dont go xmute. id rather xmute mastery lower the cooldown time rather than a chance to proc extra since the rng gods hare xmuters
评论来自
midnightstar
Now this is worth it again due to the new 20-hour cooldown epic gem transmutes, selling for 100-150g on my server, and more on others. The mats for most of the gems are also very cheap, less than 30g in some cases.
Very profitable.
评论来自
221487
I just wanted to make it clear that it is possible to proc extra on epic gems in the latest patch.
I just got 5x Majestic Zircon! =D
评论来自
143391
finally procced on an xmute after many, MANY months of not getting a proc
patch has not been out for ""months"" yet :P
评论来自
168693
Don't try and tell me this is the worst or even bad. I just got 4 cardinal rubys from this. (Total of 5.)
评论来自
kprouty
I had leveled my alchemy and herbalism to 450 and chose Elixir Master. Once I hit level 80 I decided to drop alch/herb and pick up mining and skinning, for a change of pace and quick/easy money. After doing that for awhile, I decided to pick alchemy up again (!). I decided to pick Transmutation Master, and I wanted to report that since I had already trained as Elixir Master, I did NOT have to pay 150g to "unlearn" and also I did NOT have to pay 4 Primal Might to learn new mastery. So for anyone who dropped alchemy and is considering picking it up again, I thought you might like this information. Cheers!
评论来自
Furydeath
Out of 7 gem made NONE have proced what a fun spell maybe next patch we get a spell that says all flasks "might" give back gold.
评论来自
Jripoyla
Does the Transmutation Master better than the rest to make more gold?
评论来自
110578
Constant weeks of seeing nothing but You receive . with no x2-5 at the end of is ridiculous. I feel as if the proc rate needs just a little increase because I went xmute spec to help out my jewelcrafter, but 1 extra gem a day is not at all what I had in mind. Better than nothing I know, but come on, I am burning a cooldown that has a shared cooldown with quite a few other xmutes i would like some compensation for having to choose which gem i need to blow my xmute on. Im a transmutation MASTER, but my alchemist seems to be pretty ignorant of his mastery........
评论来自
nikbos
Proc Rates for
Ametrine
:
From the day I finished the
transmutation master quest
:
Day one:
Ametrine
x2
Day two:
Ametrine
x2
Day three:
Ametrine
x1
Day four:
Ametrine
x1
Day five:
Ametrine
x1
So out of 5 days I made
2 extra gems
(or 200gold on my server)!
评论来自
512501
I have been transmutation specced since some time in BC. I have been keeping track of all of my transmute procs so far. Barring any major forgetfulness on my part in which I would have neglected to jot down the most recent occurrences, I have procced 49 extra gems/primals/arcanites/titaniums out of 329 casted transmutes. This is a proc rate of 1 in approximately every 7 casts. I have found it to be well worth the happiness it brings my friends and guildies to see their mats become something more than they had hoped for. I am not particularly in this for the profit, as I have plenty of gold to fund my achievement addiction, so I love giving them the procs I make. I did have a dry spell for a while, going on about 50 casts with nothing coming of it. But it was soon made up for with a 5-proc off of a meta and a subsequent increase in overall frequency. Hope this information is useful to someone.
评论来自
13674
Anyone know if the rate of how many extras you can get has changed? I've seen someone in trade chat on my server advertising that 'You could get 7 for the price of the mats for 1 xmute' and the most I've ever heard of or seen 5 for the price of 1.
Anyone got any screen-shots from getting more than five or can attest to it?
评论来自
535823
Hi the master transmute works in woltk?If it does what are the results? Can anyone tell me?Ty.
评论来自
Stigmata
Even if, on average, you got a wild lucky proc rate earning an average of two for every one you transmute, with enough time spent, potion or especially elixer will outprofit it.
Say you would get another 150g a day if you got twice the products of xmute. That's about 5 elixers on the market daily to beat it, and with a more common proc rate, it's surely more "gold per creation", presuming you put up a certain amount every day.
And seeing how bad xmute procs are, it should be much easier to outprofit xmute than 5 a day...I guess seeing a big burst of gold in one letter can be misleading.
评论来自
381594
Of late, I've changed over to Transmution Mastery, instead of Elixir Mastery, as I noticed I was making more transmutes, than flasks.
In the time that I've been a Transmution Master, I've made around 50 Transmutes; and only yeilded ONE additonal proc. For "Two" Cardinal Rubies.
Granted; that one proc alone, has paid for the switch, I've yet to see any more procs, and I'm very disappointed.
With Elixir Mastery, it feels like every two flasks, will yeild Four, or even Ten.
Transmution Mastery on the otherhand; with it's 20 hour cooldown, kind of slugs along behind.
I don't know if it was just my bad luck; or if it's just a bad choice to go, but it's definitely not -that- great.
I merely have it because I don't do anything else on my alchemy, and the shot at the proc, it better than nothing.
Overall though; Not that useful.
TL;DR: 1/50 Proc's on Epic Gem CDs so far; Bad.
评论来自
408364
Went from elixir spec to transmute spec, two weeks every day making epic gems as transmute master and not a single proc. What gives? Is the proc rate that low now?
评论来自
Pinkitteh
It's funny people dealt with the proc different ways, I had just always worked out with the person the price of the tip for CASTING the transmute itself (was usually 20g-25g on my server completely regardless of what the item was.) and tell them IF it procced I would sell them the second item for the same price as if I had cast the transmute twice for them. So if it didn't I got 20g-25g, if it proced I got 40g-50g and they got both items.
Because the way I saw it, they were paying for the process of casting the spell as a service, and I did not put any time or effort at all into the farming of mats or gold to buy it off AH. I would benefit from procs because it meant I would get the tips 20% more often, and because they were usually asking for the transmute to get more of that item quicker to craft something earlier, they would benefit from the time it saved them as well as 2nd lot of mats, and would be more than happy to pay the extra for the proc, no gambling for either of us.
Sure I would have profited more if I had kept the procs myself, (15g-70g profit if and only if it sold, because primals sold for 35g and might sold for 90g), but then I would have had to spend time mucking around with AH, and not 100% sure people would buy 24 hours later (and when I did test the AH on my server I ended up with 5 mights that just did not sell, which are STILL just taking a bag slot in my inventory.) particularly if everyone was getting the raw mats and getting transmuters to cast for them rather than buying off AH, and this way I had 20g-25g profit guaranteed, just for casting and I would not be screwing someone else out of more time and mats mucking around to craft their item.
评论来自
352211
It's about 30-35 days since i spec'd for Master of Transmutation and i took it just coz im making that epic gem for getting free ~100g each cd, and expected around 10-15% proc rate from it but from those 35-40 times i did transmute i got exacly Z E R O procs.
Even if my luck with RNG is maybe rly bad, this thing is rly useless if ur planning to have it for same purpose i have it.
评论来自
rabhingm
Since patch 3.3.3 went live I haven't seen a single proc on transmutation mastery. Asking around on our server with other transmutation masters led to the same situation. Anyone else notice this as well?
Got proc today (x 2) on Cardinal Ruby (3 days after posting comment ;-) )
Nothing to see here, move along ;-p
评论来自
418784
From what I've read here, let's say this has a 20% proc, right?
And you guys also mentioned that this gives 1-4 extra "products".
So it's simple math.
2 out of 10 transmutations give 2.5 extra stuff each (I know, but 2.5 is the center between 1 and 4).
So out of 10 transmutations, you get 5 extra products, average. 50% benefit doesn't sound so bad, does it?
Correct me if my math is wrong, but I think if this stats are correct, the problem is quite simple.
评论来自
573700
Just did 100
Transmute: Titanium
and got the following results:
x1:
77
x2:
22
x3:
0
x4:
1
I discovered all 12 of the Northrend Transmutation Recipies, but it took me until #88 to get the last one.
评论来自
zapiks44
Ingredients for the
ultimate
transmutation:
Water - 35 liters
Carbon - 20 kg
Ammonia - 4 liters
Lime - 1.5kg
Phosphorus - 800g
Salt - 250g
Saltpeter - 100g
Fluorine - 7.5g
Iron - 5g
Silicon - 3g
And trace amounts of 15 other elements.
(Let's see how many people get the reference)
评论来自
Smog
There is a lot of debate as to whether or not it's worth it to be a transmutation specialist. So far, I would argue it probably has been. My proc rates are roughly equivalent (or slightly better than) the reported 15%. Also, as others have said, the 'proc'ing is much less noticeable than with the other specializations, just because of the huge difference in numbers of items produced. The reason I am a transmutation alchemist is because (at least on my server), the market is typically much less flooded by the things that I tend to sell: titanium bars, skyflare / earthsiege diamonds, cardinal rubies / majestic zircons, and primal mights (which still go for upwards of 200g, for some reason).
I notice price fluctuations much less often with all of these items than with flasks and potions and I'm very happy that my items require much less supervision in order to make roughly the same profit. Hang in there transmuters, the procs will come (just today I kicked out 10 meta gems using the mats for 5, including a x5 proc).
edit: I can has English.
评论来自
Zorrah
The last proc I got on my transmutation master was a month ago. Every single 20 hour cooldown later not a single one. Its really frustrating. The proc a month ago was only 2 also.
Finally...yesterday I got a 5 proc on Cardinal Ruby. Took just over a month of nothing at all then bam! I was pleased. Still not sure if its worth it overall but its nice when it hits.
评论来自
Allakhazam
So i assume it is similar to the other alch masteries in so much as u get an additional every once in a while or with the wording r they eluding to maybe u could get a primal might when doing say a green transmute? or maybe a diamond or whatnot, that would be stellar, lol.
I dont mind either way, i decided long ago i would go with this option and shall stick with it.
Oh well only time shall tell i guess, still 2 levels to go for it to become available to me.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Does anyone has an idea of the rate of double/triple transmutation ?
评论来自
Allakhazam
I got 5x primal mights on my first try
Edited, Feb 19th 2007 1:03am by Rizzard
评论来自
Thottbot
What do they mean by "greater results"?
评论来自
Thottbot
You get 1-5
extra
items, thereby 6 primal might
评论来自
Thottbot
My first transmute after I mastered, I made 4 primal might. Shortly thereafter, I ^&*! my pants.
评论来自
Thottbot
I have done 2 transmutations after turning in 4 primal mights I aquired off the AH. I have not gotten any extra, only 1 each time. Hope this pays off soon, since I am poor as a churchmouse after that 400 gold purchase.
评论来自
Thottbot
15% proc for all the master alchemy specialization to make 1-5 extra of the product you made with the mats of one.
If you have money and PvP, Specialize in pots.
If you have money and PvE, Specialize in elixirs for your raid.
If you need money (like me), Specialize in Transmutes.
评论来自
Thottbot
I've done about 12 transmutes since I got the transmutation mastery, nothing has happened. Starting to get old now, I'll post when it FINALLY happens.
(edit) well, 24 hours later, I just made 1 (one) extra primal might.
评论来自
Thottbot
I've transmuted 5 arcanite bars. No procs. 3 Earthstorm diamonds. 1 proc which gave 1 extra. 8 Skyfire diamonds. No procs. Also a couple of transmute primal fire to mana which also had no procs. So i'm not sure what's up? My bad luck? Definently not a 15% proc rate for me. My guildie went elixir mastery and he was pumping out procs like no other. 4 at a time and crap. I'd say much higher proc rate for that than 15%. He was pumping out extras every other one. So hopefully my luck will change soon :)
评论来自
Thottbot
So I have a question for ya'll. If I start transmuted primal mights or whatever people want and end up transmuting many more than 1. Am I forced to give it to them? Can they see that I made more than 1 outside of partying w/ them? Cuz #$%^ them if they think that i paid 4 primal mights for nothing and that they get my extra transmutes :P.
评论来自
Thottbot
I just confirmed that you're combat log only shows that you made 1 even tho you proc and create more than 1. So just don't join parties when you transmute for people and all the extras you make are all yours!
评论来自
Thottbot
Personally, I don't think anyone is entitled to extras that you make, even if they supplied their own mats. It is the alchemist's skill that allows for extras and the person is only paying for one transmute and only supplied mats for one. After all, you can do the transmute without the mastery.
评论来自
Thottbot
At first, I thought this was a mistake. I farmed one primal might and bought the other three. First 2 transmutes in, nothing.
Then I've gotten 1 extra, 1 extra, 2 extra, 1 extra, and yesterday, yet another 1 extra. So as you can see, I made my money back. (Well I would have, if I wasn't generous and gave all my dupes to my blacksmith friend).
Anyway, this mastery is worth it. I can't speak for it being better than elixir or pot, but you can't go wrong. It's simply a great money maker. Not an instant one though, but it requires no effort or farming on your part.
Here's what you do when you log in for the day/at cooldown's end.:
1. Do a shout in trade to transmute primal might for free. If anyone takes you up on it, just keep the bonuses if you get any. No money invested, no money gained, no money lost. They may even tip you, which is amusing.
2. Go buy the five mats off AH. Now, depending on the day, as is with my server, you may have to take a small hit doing this. Some days I make 5-10g by buying the mats, other days, I take a 10-15g hit. Transmute and hope. Whatever happens, one goes back on AH undercutting to ensure a quick sale.
Keep in mind that one extra will pay for 4-5 days of no extras where you have to take a gold hit on mats. While it is possible to get that many no-procs, in the end, you will be making money doing it this way no matter what. Even after 20 days of no proc, a 5x extra will give you enough gold to make up for all those days.
Also keep in mind this is worked for minimal work on your part and maximized attraction for your customers. Charging for the transmute or tacking profit onto the AH'ed might may give you no sales.
评论来自
Thottbot
http://www.bvvp.com/slimx/wowtransmute.jpg
评论来自
Thottbot
My first transmute was an
Arcanite Bar
and I received 3 (2 extra).
Since then I've only been doing
Primal Might
transmutes. The proc rate for me I would say has been around 25-35%.
I've received about 6-7 (total) extra Primal Mights with this mastery.
It's definitely worth it if you want to make "easy" money.
It's also a great idea to do free transmutes for people in the trade channel (if you don't have the primals yourself). I've done this a few times and received 2 Primal Mights (not a penny spent :D).
UPDATE 1:
Since my original post (about 20 days ago) I have procced an additional 20 (roughly) extra primal mights. I've received an x4 proc twice (2 days apart!). It seems like the proc rate has gone up since the last update but I can't say definitively. So far I'm very happy with this mastery :)
UPDATE 2:
I just transmuted a
Primal Might
and it procced x2
and
I also learned
Transmute: Primal Shadow to Water
!
UPDATE 3: Just bought my epic flying mount and all I did was sell extra procs on Primal Mights!
PATCH 2.1 UPDATE
Alchemists who specialized in Transmutation/Potion/Elixir mastery can now unlearn and relearn any specialization.
Cooldown on
Earthstorm Diamond
,
Primal Might
and
Skyfire Diamond
has been reduced to 23 hours for
all
!
What does this mean? It means you can master in transmutation - make a ton of money proccing extra
Earthstorm Diamond
,
Primal Might
and
Skyfire Diamond
and
then
switch to a master of elixir or potion after you get your epic mount and built up a comfortable retirement fund!
评论来自
Thottbot
Just made a double Might transmute in orgrimmar, so that's not the case.
评论来自
Thottbot
There are other reasons for going transmute mastery over the others. I personally have lots of toons, a LWer, enchanter and my wife has a BS, enchanter and tailor. All these people need mights for high end recipes so I'm making my alchemist a primal genereator for my other toons. Not to make gold, but to save me gold.
评论来自
Thottbot
I hate statistics ....
Have made 20 primal mights by now .... and I
havent
got as much as 1 additional Primal Might ....
评论来自
Thottbot
I've gotten my skill from 350 to 375 by transmuting primal might - no procs! (and I am master transmuter)
评论来自
Thottbot
BTW... If u choose the Transmute master... should u then drop Herb, and maybe go to enchanting? it would mean more money after a while i think!
评论来自
Thottbot
Just so everyone knows, especially the people complaining about not procing on Xmutations. I too, performed many Xmutes without getting a proc, and then discovered I was using my OLD (chemist vial) Alchemy shortcut key to perform the Xmutations. When you become a Transmutation master, it places a new tab in your skillset, and you need to re-link it into your shortcut menu an use that 1 going forward. For some reason, Blizz does not automatically update this as it now does with learniing new spells/attacks (ex. from rank 1 to rank 2). Once I began using the new link, I proc about 1:4 or so.
评论来自
Thottbot
i am a warlock so i don't really need to use health potions(mostly as a backup to my healthstone) and i never really liked to rely on elixers. However transmutes have always gotten me 3-10g - and that was just for the use of my transmuting skills their mats. All transmutes make big money, except iron -gold and alot of the elemental - other elemental ones. The mats for primal might are not so easily obtained, and with that, why not just let everyone else do the work and get the mats for you, let them pay you, and you might get 1 or more of what they payed a large amount for you just to make, thats a lot of money in product.
评论来自
Thottbot
im doing like this! i do free transmute for ppl, but when it proceed i keep xtra1 and ofc sell it! some ppl expect to get that xtra1 when they bring mats, so i just wonder does other masters do that? why do they think it proceeded just because they bring mats and have rights to get more that 1?
i need to explain ppl over and over again that masters spend like 400+g to became masters and they want to make profit and not just make ppl happy by giveing it away!
评论来自
Thottbot
my approach is simple, do the transmute for free and add them to a group, even with extras transmute was free with the only price being the extras. If they dont like it they can whine till they get ignored but either way they want their primal enough not to press the issue that far in most cases simply because you are holding THEIR primal might for leverage. Not using group and all of the rest really does work but if im gonna get extras im gonna be up front about it and let them whine all they want, but in the end theres absolutely nothing other than complaining that they can do in response. Truthfully I kinda find it amusing to see someone demand extras just before they trade mats only for it to be canceled by the alchemist as he walks off laughing. =P
评论来自
Thottbot
I've gotten my master transmutation a few weeks ago. I've procced 1 extra in those few weeks. I used the regular alchemy button every time. I guess I have really, really bad luck...
评论来自
Thottbot
I earned my mastery last night and straight away transmuted a primal might, I got lucky and it proc'd and I got 2 =] I also used the Transmutation Mastery profession button when doing this.
评论来自
Thottbot
I have been transmuting master for a couple months now and I was getting procs every other week just about. But recently I have transmuted over 70 primal mights and none procced. Besides this the mats on my server for the primal might are about 10 gold more than the primal might itself.Primal Might 75. Mats are about 85.I have been transmuting the same way. Does anyone know whay that is?
评论来自
Thottbot
Mats will always be more expensive than the primal mights because the possibilities of use are only decreased you transmute your mats (eg. primal fire, air, mana, water, earth) into a primal might.
There are only a limited number of opportunities to use the single primal might, but an infinite choice, including the choice to transmute to primal might when the mats are seperate.
It really got me confused though when someone was asking me to pay for me to transmute their primal might...
They got all worked up about how mats are worth more so I have to pay to use them... God damnit! you wanted a primal might right?
评论来自
Thottbot
Now a days people are trying to get their Primal Mights sold for 80g, yet Fire and Air are going for 20g to 25g, Mana and Water about 20g and Earth for 5 to 6, so unless you plan on farming the fire and Air your self it has become pointless to be a money maker because to proc at 15% means you will proc 3 out of 20 times. So you have to at least have to Farm your Fire or Air to make profit.
Want to make money find 10 Dailys to do at over 10g a piece and make 100g a day + plus drops from the mobs, Money and the occasional Greens is the faster way to make money.
评论来自
Thottbot
IMPORTANT INFORMATION
Patch 2.3 (where Season 1 was made available on honor) introduced a bug with all transmutations except Primal Might where their chance to proc extras became close to nil. Primal Might is still proccing normally.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=3547618834
UPDATE
As of patch 2.3.3, all transmutes are working normally.
评论来自
Thottbot
so i havent read a ton of the posts here, but from most of what ive read, why are people so caught in primal mights? it could very well just be my server, but (in great part by my flooding the market every once in awhile to keep the price up) skyfires are going at anywhere from 85-100g apiece. that means in the limited amount of time i have to farm most days, in the hour or so it takes me to get 2 each of the primal fire and air required to do the xmute, im making roughly a min of 70 g profit per xmute (taking into account the negligable cost of the jewels and the chance of proc).
oh and i was just wondering if someone could help me out on understanding the tip/pay system for our CD.
main toon is Theubernoob on Korgath server (and very sorry to throw this in, but if any of the kids QQ'ing to me bout my control on the market see this, id appreciate it greatly if you'd not come to me with complaints and enjoy playing the game a bit more)
评论来自
Arxroth
I did make some 120 Arcanite transmutes and only got few extra so I am thinking that mastery effects mostly items with green, yellow or orange skill level, so grey ones gain little benefit.
Swap from other mastery takes 150 gold per shot, so no much of point in flipping around on need basis.
评论来自
dbfblackbull
Has anyone managed to get a proc of more than x2 in Burning crusade classic?
I have been transmuting once per day for a lot of days and all my outcomes are either x1 or x2. I have had nothing above that
I primarily Transmute primals, ie Primal Earth to Water
评论来自
ulutiu
Here are my results after 432 transmutes, mainly various primals and few metas:
x5 - 2 (0.5%)
x4 - 3 (0.7%)
x3 - 1 (0.2%)
x2 - 77 (17.8%)
x1 - 349 (80.8%)
On average Trasmute Mastery yielded additional 22% of created materials.
评论来自
Lesothos
1303 Arcanite Crafts as a Transmute master Final total 1339, total procs 16, total extra bars 36, proc rate = 1.2%
Proc's were as follows: 2,3,4,4,2,4,4,4,3,3,4,4,3,2,4,2
评论来自
Ragore
as the spec may spark some interest again with WotLK P3 i share my data for transmutes from P1+2 which consists mainly (but not only) of Skyflare and Earthsiege transmutes.
limited testing on the PTR indicates no difference in rates for the upcoming epic Gems.
(% rounded to 2 decimals)
Transmutes: 41223 --> Outcome: 49606
Bonus = 120,24%
(8383)
5278 Procs as:
x2 = 90,51%
(4777)
x3 = 3,35%
(177)
x4 = 3,79%
(200)
x5 = 2,35%
(124)
additional Note:
there were instances of >40 transmutes in a row without any proc. obviously this can get very frustrating when using Recipes that induce a cooldown, but overall the 20% extra is very reliable.
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转化大师
转化大师
瞬发
使炼金师可以在转化材料时获得更好的效果。
魔法增益
法术细节
持续时间
n/a
类型
物理
机制
n/a
驱散类型
n/a
GCD目录
n/a
成本
无
范围
0码
(自身)
施法时间
瞬发
冷却
n/a
GCD
0秒
效果
Trade Skill
价值:1
PVP 倍率:1
标记
[Is Ability]
形变时无法使用
骑乘时可用
[Allow While Riding Vehicle]
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