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issachar
Holy shock is now on a 15 second cooldown as of Patch 2.0
评论来自
8903
Combined with Divide Command, can crit for a good amount of dmg or instant healing.
评论来自
Thottbot
they should make a higher rank its not fair that holy school barly compares with the other 2 talent trees
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Thottbot
hmm...I want to improve this...well, first of all it has to be moved into Retribution by 1.9, but mabye not as a 31 point point ability since its so weak. Infact I'd rather see this replaced by some instant cast hammer spell nuke. If it stays, I'd suggest making it a base ability similar to my suggestion for Consecration, where each tree adds to its effectiveness, furthering the paladin's ability to specialize based on the tree he/she chooses. Holy could heal the user for half the amount of damage dealt, Protection could greatly increase the threat generated, and Retribution could either stun the target, or increase the damage dealt, mana cost or cooldown time (eventhough all of these factors have to be slightly improved in order for this spell to become viable).
评论来自
Thottbot
I'm not complaining. I can whack a target with Holy shock, HoJ
and
Hammer of Wrath in very quick succession. the effects are swift and nasty and above all else,
under my direct control
.
Holy shock is a vital tool in my gameplay arsenal and I'd fight tooth and nail to keep it in the holy line.
Turning on Sanctity aura before unleashing this is, of course, expected and gives both damage spells a 10% boost for the mana cost.
Maybe a talent tree tweak to add a stun or DOT to the holy shock would be useful in making it more versatile. That, I'd go for (Replace Divine Stength already, willya?)
The use of Holy Shock as a pulling tool cannot be over-emphasised, either. :)
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Thottbot
yea, lol, some of out talents are really screwed up...strength in holy, defense in retribution (though deflection I believe is well-placed). Anyway, most paladins on the WoW forums in the pally discusion would agree that the holy tree should be for healing (w/ a AoE heal or a HoT as the 31 point abillity) and Retribution's job is to do melee dps and burst damage in the form of holy damage (holy strike anyone?). Holy Shock will most likely be made a class abillity with talent improvements in each tree, or be moved into Retribution. And the "coveted" Sanctity aura isnt gonna stay like that for long, as it is only usefull w/ a mob of pallys (which is very fun btw)--expect it to be changed to increase the effectiveness of a party's healing spells. If u want to stick w/ holy, prepare to become a badass healer in plate.
评论来自
Thottbot
Holy Shock in my opinion is way too weak. I also feel that anymore than 16 pts in the holy tree is a waste because the end benefits are crap. There is not much of a need for a protection paladin because thats what warriors are for... a paladin trying to hold agro? lets be honest this is a very hard task. My suggestion for a good over all PVE and PVP paladin is the beginning of the holy tree and most of the ret tree. Most of protection is crap it needs to be revamped well most of the talent trees in a whole are crap and need to be revamped IMO. Holy shock should be made a learned skill not a talent point like many others have said and I agree with this. Hammer of Justice also needs to be improved a 1 min cool down can be a pain.
I also feel paladins should be given the chance to reserect themselves every 30 mins or an hour like shamans that would make sense. The heals of a paladin are the least mana efficient in the game.. comeon 1500 heal for 600 mana? please (and this is with talents in improved healing). and a quick heal of 300 whats that gonna do? save your ass for one more hit. IMO paladins need a huge improvemnet... maybe not made stronger but definately more mana efficient stuff needs to be put in place.
评论来自
Thottbot
"all paladins will have their talent points refunded and can be respent"
and they can get new gear if they really want to
and it's and instant heal so maybe it's worth the trouble getting it
评论来自
Thottbot
320 a tick on consecrate is impossible even with tons of buffs (on you) and debuffs (on opponent). you need +2800 spell damage for that to work dumbass
评论来自
Thottbot
ZHC: +280 Spell Damage
JotC: +140 Spell Damage
Full Judgement: Around +200 Spell Damage
Flask Of Supreme Power: +150 Spell Damage
Various rings and weapons: I'll just put in +100 Spell Damge in here, but more is possible (and easily done)
That makes a total of +870 Spell Damage.
The coefficient for Consecration is 33%, so that times .33 makes a total of 287+the normal tick of Consecration. That's a powerful AoE right there.
On Holy Shock it's 43%, making it +374 damage.
That's a 770 'non-crit' damage. Crit, it would be around 1150.
And none of these include the damage buffs from the BGs either. So as long as you have enough spell power on your hands, you will be unstoppable.
评论来自
Thottbot
Stop writing so much if you are foreign to the language. Half of what you say is damn near unintelligible.
评论来自
Thottbot
ok if i were to have this ability with the judgement set i would get increased damage and healing done by magical spells and effects by up to 200 (thats the intire sets total) how much damage would holy shock rank 3 be doing around to?
评论来自
Thottbot
ZHC + Divine favor + JoC = 860crit dmg
:P
评论来自
Thottbot
Now, my pally havn't even reached 60, yet from my experience with my Horde endgame chars, i find this:
5/5 Illumination
->
Divine Favor with Holy Shock, adds for a mana-free 400ish instant hit - 600 crit.
Quickly followed by Hammer of Justice with Command-Judement released = An additional 400ish dmg (crits for +100% dmg).
Dependant on how lucky you are (command crit wise) This combo with the Holy Talent Tree adds up to a nearly instant 1000(non-crit command)dmg, to about 1400 with crusader critting.
Seems rather nice to me - And it is doable every 2 minutes (Devine Favor CD), and is doable with a non-critting Holy Shock once every minute (HoJ CD).
This is NOT counting the hit you will get on the target as well, while all these insta-abilities are pushed...
评论来自
Thottbot
have your pallies spam this when healing the MT during Vael.
评论来自
Thottbot
this is one of my favorite spells in the holy tree. there has been a few times when i was just sitting back healadin style and i will be healing the tank but then the warlock/mage/rogue or whatever would take a few shots and i will just turn on divine favor critical holy shock him for a good +450 health for 0 mana and just keep on healing the tank so that way not a single person in my group comes under 80% at any time.
this tree and every other paladin tree is fine with me (i have 2 paladins and my bro has 1 pali) and they all work out beautifully for me tree wise (31 in each main spec and then 20 for another spec message me or something if you want my specs) and seem pretty well balanced for how they are layed out. except repentance level 40 ultimate for ret? that was a real let down for me, i was expecting like a holy explosion or something (similiar to final fantasy tactics) the holy knight would cast holy explosion and everything behind the person it was cast on or in front of the person casting it in direct line with the casted upon would take up to about 400 dmg or so... thatd be pretty cool:D
评论来自
Thottbot
if u ask me this should get a similar treatment to holy nova (only keep this where it is)
should be a fast heal. increase the healing to 600ish and keep a symbolic dmg 4 pulling purposes (this is the healing tree, u know) and voila, the fast heal paladins've been longing 4. what do ya all say bout this? i'd shure like it
评论来自
Thottbot
holy shock is great for doing quic burst damage. at 60 u can spec 31/0/20 if you wanna. release seal of crusader, divine favor, holy shock, seal of command, hammer of justice, realese seal of command, hammer of wrath= owned
:) pallys rock
--Alexandertg- 60 druid
--Allexander 47 pally
-Destromath-
评论来自
Thottbot
Cons(384/8 DOT dam) > HoJ(6sec stun) > Hit(400dam) > JoC(500dam) > DF+Shock(800dam) > HoW(800dam) = ~3000 unavoidable damage (with average +spell dam gear). Go Fig.
Divine Sheild +
Goblin Sapper Charge
FTW
评论来自
Thottbot
Useless? Think again.
This spell may not do a lot of damage, but I like to pull them with this, use Consecration, and walk backwards until they hit me. Great in instances.
评论来自
Thottbot
I think that either the Damage/Heal of Holy Shock should be increased or the cooldown reduced by 10 seconds, and the Mana slightly reduced.
评论来自
Thottbot
mana cost and CD reduced + gets DF effect.
Now i can maybe think of going
aah no there is CS now
and otherwise too Holy Paladins really suck
评论来自
Thottbot
I just dueled a retro pally with full judgement, and ragnaros. It was funny, i dont even have full tier0 yet and i beat him. Crits me for 800 with a soc 500.
i was like OWE, but realized, man he's retro all i have to do is wait for him to run out of mana rofl. Didnt take long, he judged me again and again, but since paladins have no real silencing moves besides hoj and repentance, i was able to heal with almost no problems. With the new talent points for tbc i have +112 spell damage and healing without any +spell damage and healing gear. So when my heals crit (26% chance to crit with holy shock=free cast)its around 3200. I have a 60 warrior also. Kinda makes me mad how overpowered paladins are over warriors as i could kill level 60 warriors on my paladin at 51 successfully even if they cried about it.
评论来自
Thottbot
Okay... but this is Holy Shock.... to say anything about tanking when talking about holy shock is way off topic...
Holy shock is a good ability overall. The cooldown to 15 seconds from 30 and the fact it can be used with Divine Favor as a free instant crit heal or dmging crit spell is great. Too bad you dont get the mana refund for crit Holy Shock dmg attacks as you do using it for healing. It's still one of the best spells around. I've been able to crit up to 1200 with plenty of spell dmg. It's great to use holy shock, then judge righteousness or command (whatevre your fancy) to get them low enough to use Hammer of Wrath.
Very versitile spell and it's best used with divine favor and +spell dmg trinket effects
评论来自
Thottbot
Holy shock is not useless. With my lvl 65 pally, I crit with my holy shock (rank 4) for 1000-1200 damage (which happens quite a lot because of Divine Favor). And I don't know what you're talking about when you say HoW costs less mana. It doesn't and it only does slightly more damage with a longer cast.
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