Didnt want to start a discussion about war crime and the fact wow doesnt have a neutral, inter'factional' group that overlooks that part.I just used the term to clarify how far Sylvanas seemingly without hesitation or a second thought goes to progress her goals, even after someone like garrosh had to be taken care of after he went nuts.And even if I am playing alliance, I feel like its an insult to the horde to proclaime anyone who supports Baines decision or isnt on Sylvanas site has no place in the horde. And inb4 someone gets stuck on "insult": I dont refer to "beeing personally offended" but rather to "I believe you missunderstand your faction on a really unfortunate level - in my perception at least."I always percieved the horde as practical - not radical.
At this point in Legion, everyone was saying Illidan was Kerrigan 2.0. One cinematic changed all that. I still hope...
Sided with Sylvanas all the way as a blood elf hunter. Its where she originated before becoming undead. I am loyal til the end! I have been conflicted in my choice but I have trust in Sylvanas that she knows something we dont and has a plan. She has been in war and seen many horrors. I am sure she wants to stop them. If these other leaders call her out on it and messes up the plan because they want to save the few rather than the many. Sylvanas will sacrifice the few to save all of her people (maybe includes the whole Horde and world). They are shortsighted and Sylvanas always thinks ahead. She plays the long game in wars, she sees the bigger threats. She is my Warchief!Also, why are we meeting all the Horde characters in Stormsong Valley in Alliance territory? Why not in Orgrimar or anywhere else in Azeroth or somewhere in Zandalar in a remote location? I understand we may want it to be remote so prying eyes and ears wont hear or see, but why risk going to Alliance Territory at all with all those leaders of the Horde? Maybe they want the Alliance to see this and set a trap using Baine or something?
I've always acted IRP as a Sylvanas loyalist because, like some NPCs are saying, it used to be the pride of the Forsaken to have free-will. It's the freaking racial ability! Do you imagine a Draenei saying "F@ck the Light, what has it ever done for me?", when their racial ability is a healing spell provided by the Light?The acquisition of Val'kyrs seemed legit at the end of Wrath, to allow the number of Forsaken to stay constant.The intro in Tirisfal shows how newly risen Forsaken get to decide what they do. Some decided to become their separate faction and had to be put down. Others like Lilian Voss went on a solo quest to find new meaning to their existence.When we attacked Gilneas, I thought Genn deserved a good kick in the nuts for building his wall during WC3 and never ever trying to help fight off the Scourge.Back then, Sylvanas wasn't displaying any plans to take more than Lordaeron. Dalaran already flew away. Alterac was in ruins.The Alliance was gladly coming to Lordaeron to plant its golden lion flag on lands that were never owned by the crown of Stormwind. That always looked hypocritical to me.Stromgarde was in ruins too (Danath Trollbane took his sweet time to act about it). Once Galen Trollbane was placed in charge of the ruins of Stromgarde by Sylvanas, he was free to do as he pleased (and was taken down by the Ebon Blade in Legion).In Legion, Sylvanas got blamed for the death of Varian (who sacrificed himself to save his troops - it's noble, but's he was the king, that was dumb to sacrifice himself like that) and then, when the Forsaken went to Stormheim to retrieve the Aegis and maybe find more Val'kyrs. On the Alliance side, it's "ok, we're going to keep our distance" and one loading screen later, the Alliance attacks the Forsaken fleet without warning. THEN, you see Genn going all "by the light, they used their plague on my soldiers, these monsters!"...From then on, it wasn't as much Alliance vs Horde as it was Genn vs Sylvanas.So yeah, from WC3 to the end of Legion, I felt ok being a Forsaken.But then Sylvanas starts killing all the forsaken who came at the meeting in Arathi, Before the Storm, even the ones who were coming back to her.She attacked Teldrassil without warning, with the intent to keep the night elves civilians as hostage, but decided to burn the tree down, which was dumb on many levels. It gave the Alliance a golden opportunity to strike back.She sent Horde soldiers to their deaths in the Battle for Lordaeron only to raise them with the dead Alliance soldiers as mindless skeletons, removing their free will. The plague cloud in Tirisfal is still filled with these reanimated skeletons.As Alliance players know, she made a pact with the San'layn (blood elves vampires from ICC). As a Horde player, you have NO idea the San'layn are implicated with the Horde.Then there's what happened with Derek Proudmoore, Baine and Zelling and how most of the Horde is shocked by her actions.Some people are like "she's always been like this", but I disagree wholeheartedly. She was borderline. In BFA, she crossed the line.As my main toon is a loyalist, I told Nathanos about what Baine did and I'll keep playing along, but as a player, my heart isn't in it.With all my other toons, I'm totally going to act against her.This is not the Sylvanas I've been following all these years.For all these war crimes, the Horde is still loosing on all fronts, up until now. We have NOTHING to show for all we did under Sylvanas. Zelling was executed. Derek Proudmoore is back with Jaina. Valentine got his neck snapped almost as soon as he was raised. The abyssal scepter is destroyed. Rastakhan is dead. Mekkatorque will most likely be brought back as a meca-gnome.Oh, wait, we recruited Ashvane. Yay, she's a b@tch Alliance traitor who's likely to double-cross us too as soon as she gets the opportunity, because she owes us nothing : the Horde is still also responsible for the death of her husband in WC3 along with Daelin Proudmoore.Since Garrosh became warchief, the Horde has had ONLY bad situations, always being labelled the bad guys, with only a brief pause when Vol'jin was warchief and did almost nothing.I miss the days when we could say things were morally grey.
Is this “player choice” thing for Horde only?
In the quest with Thomas Zelling, Rexxar says, "Your family is well. Your wife purchased a small home within Arom's Stand in Drustvar, and your children are well fed." However, there is no sign of Julia, Matthew, or Hannah Zelling in Arom's Stand. I have long thought that the absence meant Lilian was lying about keeping the safe, and Rexxar was probably in the dark about it. Now that she says it in this context, it makes me think Blizzard just fell down on story continuity issues again.
...This is why I am leveling an Undead... so I can support Sylvanas and not feel like I am breaking character.