I'm glad to see others have picked up on the whole "Order might not be the natural state of World Souls". We've seen one twisted to Death (Argus), one twisted to Chaos (Sargeras) and twisted by Void (That one Sargeras killed before it awoke). That, as well as the Titans existing within our cosmos, rather than in the Order Realms, are clear signs something's up. And Order may not be their inherent nature.I am uncertain Aman'thul is necessarily the bad guy, though. He did awaken first, and is clearly most aligned with Order. But that does not mean he can't be a victim too. He could simply be the first one that was turned by Order. And even be convinced this is the natural state of Titans, just like the others. Or even if he knows, he might not even mean bad. Maybe he was just... lonely. Whatever the case, it does seem very likely that this is the secret of the Titans: That they were never meant to be beings of Order.So what were they meant to be instead? Well, I know people aren't fond of the First Ones, but I actually quite like that lore, for the themes it seems to confirm below the surface of the very World of Warcraft. The two themes of WoW, as far as I'm concerned, are Betrayal and Unity. Whatever alliance, whatever council, whatever pantheon comes together, one always goes dark and turns on the others. There's hints that this may be a flaw that echoes throughout all of creation, because the same happened to the First Ones. A seventh out there that went dark, beyond the cosmos. Whose actions forced the other 6 to unite.Which brings us to the 6 cosmic forces. Each First One adding their voice and essence, in a creation event, meant to echo onwards and outwards. To forge something greater than the sum of its parts. Something of all of them, but belonging to none of them. What were they hoping to create? Well, arguably: us. We don't belong to any of the cosmic forces, yet have the potential to wield all of them, and more. And we also seem to be stronger than any single cosmic force. Because we carry their strength united. Which would mean a role will fall to us, perhaps much like a Shaman: as they balances the Elements, none of which can understand the perspective of the other elements, but are helped by the Shaman to see the larger perspective and benefits realized through balance and unity. Aka, our role is to bring balance and unity to the Cosmos (by kicking the asses of all the other forces, most likely. It's an action game). Even the Jailer realized the necessity of unity. But he had no charisma and was part of a single cosmic force. So the only tool he had to accomplish unity was Domination.But how does that relate to Azeroth and Titans? Well, Azeroth is a soul of our physical cosmos. The other cosmic powers in their realms, are seeking to influence or corrupt her to be like them, much like can be done with mortals. And I think it's because she is like us: Not of any cosmic force. But with the potential for all of them and more, just like us. She is the greatest of "mortal" souls. And if she remains the only unclaimed one: The most powerful free soul of all. She is what the First Ones were hoping to create. The final Real Titan. As they were meant to be. Possibly greater than the First Ones themselves. Greater than the sum of the parts that forged the cosmos. And she and her children may be the only ones that can hope to stand against whatever united the First Ones. Against whatever watches from the outside, looking for cracks.I know that's all some high lore concepts. But our fight against the Legion on Argus started decades before that, just with green orcs coming from a portal. An epic story with incredible build-up that spanned decades. It was a winning formula. Meaning Blizzard already has a successful roadmap, on how to spin the existence of a new cosmic force, into an epic narrative that spans decades. And I hope they can pull it off again. And it'll start with the Final Titan. I can't wait for the next chapter.
All parts of the cosmos can be seen as "good"/"bad" depending on if you allign with their views/actions.The light has been seen as good but we cast our minds back to when the naru try to enforce change on illidian or when yrel tried to convert the maghar to the light forcefully in the maghar orc questline.Then you have the void elf's who knows the void has been seen as a bad influence throughout history and just focus on using the power of the void to defend life on azeroth (or teleport bombs into Dazar'alor but don't worry about that)When talking about "will the titans be the bad guys or not?" It depends on what their intentions are with azeroth and if all of them have that same view. If the titans are going to do something similar to the movie "Eternals" (I won't spoil it) then it's likely they will be the bad guys. However, I won't be surprised if we see some disorder between the titans (if they disagree with each other aka Aman Thul and Eonar)Long story short xalatath is waifu and we should let her be :) (it will all work out)
tired of seeing the eternals as being put down as robots. we are all the same. we all have a soul encased in something, be it flesh ,metal, stone. they have already shown the titans can have their bodies separated from their souls. it's all the same.
I believe the Warcraft universe is a series of 4 concentric circles, with:1. Mortals (players and NPCs) and the very center. This also included mortals blessed with immortality, such as Night Elves.2. Elementals (Decay, Earth, Fire, Spirit, Water, Wind), and Proto-Dragons which were of elemental origin and later evolved into Dragons.3. Titan Keepers (Order), Old Gods (Shadow), Wild Gods (Life), Naaru (Light), Burning Legion (Disorder), Lich King (Death)4. Eternals: Titans (Order, and Sargeras for Disorder), Pantheon of Death (Death), Elune (Life), Void Lords (Shadow), and an equivalent Holy entity (Light).Above all: the FIrst Ones, who can't exist within our universe, and thus snuck one of them when they created existence. This nascent First One is the one who will bring balance to the six cosmic forces. A seventh force, Azeroth herself.
What if the real titans, are the friends we made along the way?
It is gonna be great when the beings that legit sacrificed their own autonomy to hold back Sargeras from destroying Azeroth turn out to be Le Ebil. It's not gonna be awkward and ham-fisted whatsoever.
Curse of Flesh.We are the fusion of Order + Void.Without old gods there would be no humans, dwarves or gnomes.The Titans aren't evil. They believe the universe should have Order. Think of them like super computers. They see your life in 0s and 1s. They calculate. They're not trying to murder you. They just don't care about you, you're an ant. >.>
I feel like Azeroth has always been safe, just imprisoned by the Titans until she’s “ready”. The artwork for The Last Titan and the comments Metzen has made feels like it’s going this way as well.
Argus was a world soul. If he was not by his nature aligned with order, was he really supposed to go to to the plane of order when he died?Are world souls supposed to die at all?I'd also like to correct on the playable races being formed by the Titans.Some of them (like the original Earthen and Mechagnomes) we do know were initially created by the Titans, but they were ordered creatures. Satisfied with their place in life. Akin to golems and robots, in a sense. They were corrupted by the Old Gods and the Curse of Flesh, and it was only then that they attained free will.For other races we do not know if the same story applies. Tauren, Gnolls, and Pandaren are bestial races. We know Azeroth used to house many such races as early as during the Sundering, with their associated demigods. But I don't think anything points specifically to them being created by the Titans.
"Aman’Thul lost his sh*t when Eonar stepped a toe out of line of Order and dabbled into Life."It should be important to note that this did come from an "unreliable narrator" source. It might have happened, it might not have. Plus it does seem out of character for Aman'thul given what we know about him for now. That is something Odyn would do before he got a massive dose of humble pie.