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Commento di Calcitrant

Provides you with a choice of up to 3 schematics to learn.

you get the notes from scrapping other schematics as well as the green items picked up from scrapping

Commento di Dervos

If you can't currently learn something from the item, you'll get the message;

There is nothing left to invent and you cannot be convinced otherwise.

You may still have recipes to learn but require points in certain specializations.

For example, to get the recipes for profession gear, you need to unlock the Profession Gear specialization under Engineered Equipment, then your Comprehensibly Organized Ideas will give new recipes.

Commento di Qoko

If you want to max your Mucchio di Scarti Arrugginiti yield, keep at least one invention unlearned! (so anything marked 'Invention' in the Engineering window). This includes prototypes and those learned from Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile. For details, see the spoiler tag.

Once you learn all inventions, they no longer drop from Rovistamento tra gli Scarti. This sort of makes sense, but Invenzione da Smontaggio also gives about 15 Mucchio di Scarti Arrugginiti on average so you lose out on a lot of scrap (which in turn give parts to use or sell). Invenzione da Smontaggio takes exactly two minutes a stack at Crafting Speed 75%, so in the long run this is definitely worth it. Rovistamento tra gli Scarti will give some leftover scrap (and notes in case you still miss patterns from Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile) instead of inventions but this pales in comparison to the thousands you get from disassembling.

I can now first hand confirm this: wanting to max out my knowledge from First Crafts the only pattern I'm now missing is Capsula di Salvataggio Difettosa: Idea and Rovistamento tra gli Scarti give me Prototipo: Capsula di Salvataggio Difettosa consistently. If you go down to just one invention just bank it to prevent learning it by accident. Every other invention will now be Prototipo Irriconoscibile that you can Invenzione da Smontaggio at will.

I'm not sure if this effective nerf is intended but it seems to be, considering the 'leftover' from scouring after you learn all inventions.

Commento di lexmosti

How many schematics we can learn by using this item?

Commento di selerik

The War Within Engineering - Discovery Mechanics (A great idea, or scrap it?)
Engineers can learn 75 new recipes as of The War Within's launch, 50 of which are gated behind Discovery mechanics.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Works

Engineers get started with Rovistamento tra gli Scarti, taught by their profession trainer.
Rovistamento tra gli Scarti will quickly allow the engineer to discover the profession's other essential skills, standard parts, and be a rare source of prototypes .
They will quickly learn Idea, which is a guaranteed* prototype each day. (*While supplies last)

Prototypes are single-use versions of engineer recipes which teach that recipe when used.

IMPORTANT: Once an Engineer learns the recipe, they will never receive the prototype version again.

Invenzione da Smontaggio can be used on unwanted or excess prototypes (including Prototipo Irriconoscibile), generating up to 10 Mucchio di Scarti Arrugginiti and Appunti Scarabocchiati di Fretta.
Appunti Scarabocchiati di Fretta create Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile, which can only be used to learn Engineering recipes. Neither item has any vendor value or other uses.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Doesn't Work

The discovery flavor and mechanics are built around 3 abilities: Rovistamento tra gli Scarti, Idea, and Invenzione da Smontaggio.
If an engineer learns all 14 recipes linked to prototypes, they will never receive a prototype again.
Instead of Prototipo Irriconoscibile, they directly receive Appunti Scarabocchiati di Fretta.

What are the impacts of losing the prototype mechanic?

Invenzione da Smontaggio ceases to function.
After the initial discovery/skill-up phase, Idea also ceases to have any function.
Since prototypes (recyclable) are replaced with Appunti Scarabocchiati di Fretta (not recyclable), Rovistamento tra gli Scarti becomes a less efficient source of parts.

How many Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile does an engineer actually need?

28 recipes require Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile to discover them.

How the Engineer allocates their Engineering Knowledge is also important, since three different sub-specialties control access to discoveries..

6 are gated behind Equipaggiamenti delle Professioni, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Occhiali, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Bracciali, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.

What about when you have invented everything?
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
When you have discovered the final recipe requiring Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile , you will cease to receive Appunti Scarabocchiati di Fretta completely.
Rovistamento tra gli Scarti will now have a chance to create the finished version of prototyped recipes, such as the tinker modules and potion bombs.
Idea will have a 100% chance to produce the finished version of one of the prototyped recipes.

Engineering Recipes - Source Breakdown

Discovery - Rovistamento tra gli Scarti: 8
Discovery - Idea Prototypes: 15
Warning: If you discover all Prototypes, you will no longer be able to use Invenzione da Smontaggio!

Discovery from Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile: 42

Note: All invenions that can be Prototyped can also be discovered from Idee Organizzate in Modo Comprensibile.
Discovery Requirement - Occhiali: 4
Discovery Requirement - Equipaggiamenti delle Professioni: 6
Discovery Requirement - Bracciali: 4

Profession Trainer: 8
Vendors: 9
Quest Rewards: 1
Total Recipes: 75

Commento di Hhalle567

Awesome post selerik, thank you!

Here are the 14 Prototypes, it's okay to learn all but one of them (you pick):

3 Explosives:

Potion Bomb of Power
Potion Bomb of Recovery
Potion Bomb of Speed

2 Tinkers:

Earthen Delivery Drill
Heartseeking Health Injector

and 9 Devices:

Barrel of Fireworks
Defective Escape Pod
Filmless Camera
Wormhole Generator: Khaz Algar
Convincingly Realistic Jumper Cables
Irresistible Red Button
Pausing Pylon
Algari Repair Bot 11O
Portable Profession Possibility Projector

Box o' Booms, Stonebound Lantern, and Crowd Pummeler 2-30 apparently do not have a chance of showing up as a "Prototype: "

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Si vincola alla raccolta

Usa: Studia gli appunti per scegliere un nuovo schema di Ingegneria da apprendere.

La selezione di schemi disponibili aumenta con la specializzazione in Ingegneria.
Richiede Ingegneria di Khaz Algar (1)
"Non sai bene cosa avrebbero dovuto rappresentare questi frammenti. Riorganizzarli in modo intelligente potrebbe ispirare nuove idee."

Massima Pila: 200

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