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评论来自
363245
*You have been removed from group*
/whisper RL "Why did you kick me?"
/RL whispers "You aren't defense capped newb"
/whisper RL "But im defense capped when my Quel'Serrar procs!"
评论来自
Shoat
This has an almost 100% uptime during combat, providing a great amount of both avoidance (through def) and mitigation (through armor).
I've observed our DK MT using these (while lying on the ground dead >_>), he has both the 245 and the 232 versions of this already, and I noticed that he had both buffs up all the time, even if this sword is used as an offhand the buff rarely dropped off and kept refreshing at 1-3 seconds left (while the Mainhand Buff was refreshed at 4-8 seconds duration left most of the time).
It
could
be used to get defense capped, but just like using the Sigil of the Unfaltering Knight to get def capped, it has it's drawbacks. If a Boss crits you during those few seconds where it's inactive you're dead.
However, I doubt that anyone being able to tank ony would
need
the proc to get to the crit immunity cap.
评论来自
martinu
the procced spell is
this
one.
edit: why downrating a valid useful comment? its easy to click on the spell, but its easier to hover on a comment when you are already reading other comments.
评论来自
109170
can this be dualwielded with the 10 man drop?
评论来自
hashmel
stevebat was obviously refering to DW frost tanking as the weapons you've listed blow even moreso for DW frost
the #1 stat for DW DKs is weapon damage, the ones you listed are about 300 which is horrid, the highest top end for 1 handers is around 620, this has a respectable 510 with an amazing boost to avoidance and armor...sure beats using a 1 hander with agility and crit or something for tanking
评论来自
dannyboy1100
This has got nice speed for a paladin tank RECKONING!
评论来自
423920
If you were thinking about putting Unholy Weapon on this just for the looks, either for a laugh or while you save up for a better enchant... you can save your money because the unholy weapon effect doesn't seem to show up on this sword.
评论来自
Reunilana
Would it work for Dualwielding Dk tanks?
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=49495
+
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=49303
With enchant
http://www.cuckhead.com/?spell=54446
and frost talents like
http://www.cuckhead.com/?spell=50138
and
http://www.cuckhead.com/?spell=49789
.
If you compare
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=40406
(120 starmina) ,
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=45700
dualweild (138 starmina) or
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=45311
(111 starmina), dualweilding those 2 you gain 139 starmina wich is just a little better but you can get defense rating and 1400 or 1550 armor (not sure if those 2 stacks)
评论来自
462103
Just tested DW'ing Burnished Quel'Serrar and lvl 60 Quel'Serrar and the procs overwrite the previous one that is applied.
评论来自
438440
I've been tanking with the Gleaming version of this for a week now, and I have to say - it's better than I expected. The sanctuary buff appears to have no internal cooldown as I have seen it proc back to back, and the proc rate is quite good. I wouldn't say that the buff is up 100% of the time like one poster above, but I would estimate an active time of 50% or higher when using a standard warrior tanking rotation.
Additionally, the slower weapon speed provides a significant increase in Devastate damage - enough, I think, to make up for the greater number of Heroic Strikes or Cleaves put out with a faster weapon.
If I get this better version, I suspect I will use it all the time instead of just occasionally. Just the 1550 extra armor alone is no small thing, even if it's only half the time.
评论来自
roody
Got my Quel last Night from Ony 25man and I'm loving it. I threw a Blood Draining enchant on it and testet it out on TotGC after Ony.
Concerning the Sword-Proc:
I've checked our WoL-Page from last night's raid and took the Jarraxus fight (heroic version) as an example. I'm MT'ing on that fight so I'm constantly dealing DMG and the proc had an uptime between 45% and 55% of the Time (took us like 6 tries to down him after wiping at 20% last week - yay! :)). So I reckon an average uptime of 50% - as some posters already mentioned above - is about right.
PS: I'm playing a Warrior, just in case someone's wondering.
评论来自
360150
Everyone calls it the defense cap because it's understood by the community. And it is fine if it's called that way even if it is a bit of a misnomer (it's not).
If you're going to be that anal about something like that, you should know that strictly speaking you are incorrect. There is a defense cap because you reach an avoidance cap via dodge, block, miss, and parry. This defense hard cap is higher than the soft cap, but not by that much and it is (and always has been) within reach for geared tanks. So there you go, there is a defense cap.
It does not, as you suggest, give "solid increase" to anything. 110 defense rating, or 22 defense skill does barely anything. The value of the proc is in the armor, and the defense proc is next to useless; it gives you about 3% overall avoidance. That's less than trinket proc.
Furthermore, stacking defense is one of the worst ways to gear yourself. Yes, you want 540 defense skill. However, you don't want to exceed 540 defense by too much; other stats that take up less itemization budget are--and always have been--more effective in end-game tanking, as you pointed out. This is one of the reasons "defense cap" is a fitting term.
I'm downrating you for posting wrong information then having the gall to call us ignorant.
You are, quite frankly, wrong.
First of all, the term 'cap' has grown to mean 'get it to this point and no further.' Since you can get considerable advantages from taking your defense over 540, it is not a cap. The avoidance cap you speak of is not within reach for tanks in the game currently (that would mean never getting hit.) What is within reach is the block cap, and defense helps you get there, but defense does a lot more then just that.
How much avoidance you get per point of defense rating depends on your other gear, the diminishing returns on miss, dodge and parry have quite an effect on it. Last time I checked for me, defense gave me about 98% of the avoidance that I got from dodge rating.
Since the avoidance from defense is part parry (which is better avoidance then dodge) and part miss (which is better then dodge since it is active in more situations), I think defense rating is preferable to dodge rating from a pure avoidance standpoint.
Take into consideration that you increase your chance to block as well with defense, and defense rating starts to outshine dodge rating quite easily.
Now, for me, 22 defense would give me 0.88% dodge, parry, miss and block. I'm block capped already, so you can ignore the block, but that's still 2.4% avoidance gained pre diminishing returns. Post diminishing returns, it's probably closer to 2%.
But remember, this is on top of the 60+% of avoidance I already have. So the effective avoidance I gain is about 5% - not as good as popping trinkets, but quite nice for a high-uptime buff.
Lastly, before you start calling it a defense cap again, remember that you can tank quite well without 540 defense skill - what you need is a 5.6% critical strike reduction, and if you can get that from another source, then you are good to go.
(Resilience and talents are good examples.)
Oh, I'm downranking you because you are wrong.
评论来自
207870
A lot of unrelated information in these comments, time to bring some actual facts!
The proc does
not
have an internal cooldown (obvious I know, but someone needs to say it)
The ppm appears to be about 2 after hitting the boss dummy (hit and expertise capped) for about 2 hours (it might be less, the numbers were ranging from 1.8-1.99, but knowing Blizzards love for even numbers...)
It can proc from any attack using the sword, so if we assume a ppm of 2, the chance of getting the proc on any instant attack (such as Devastate, Blood Strike etc) would be 8% ((2/60)*2.4).
Haste effects increase the rate (since the chance per attack stays the same) so in a raid setting you will have higher proc rates
Just like on the old Quel'Serrar, Enchantment glows are not shown!
Doing some rough math, with 30% raidbuffed haste you'd get 2.6 ppm from auto attacks and if you do an instant attack every 2 secs (that is very generous since only attacks with the sword count, so shield slam doesn't count, Judgement, Icy touch etc) you get another 2.4 ppm. This is disregarding parried attacks (you will never have enough expertise to negate those) and missed attacks from DW for DK tanks, so in reality you will get less procs than that.
This means we're looking at a total of 5ppm in the best possible setting, the absolute minimum to theoretically have a 100% uptime is 6 ppm and even then they'd need to come reliably every 10 secs (not going to happen) so the "almost guaranteed 100% uptime" comments are
false
I'm not sure how to do statistical calculations like that, but a good guess (and from personal experience) would be an uptime of around 50%, which greatly diminishes the value of the proc. Still a good tanking weapon, but there are better.
评论来自
465541
Some more anecdotal evidence about the uptime of the Sanctuary buff (links will probably be broken in a month or so, due to reports expiring):
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-3O4FsvQTVxg6Anue/details/2/?s=998&e=1298
MT on Jaxx in nToC-25, 10/5/2009: 31.4% uptime
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-jRW1tB0SJZQ9r4Dt/details/1/?s=2443&e=2729
MT on Jaxx in nToC-10, 10/3/2009: 32.6% uptime
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-jRW1tB0SJZQ9r4Dt/details/1/?s=12356&e=12538
MT on Koralon-10, 10/3/2009: 42.9% uptime
Other fights would have a lower uptime because I'm not constantly hitting something. (You'll notice the near 100% uptime on Blood Reserve as a point of reference.) I don't gear for expertise or hit specifically, but instead stack Stamina with gems and such, so I still have some misses and dodge/parries going on. Only a couple points of data in realistic settings, nothing more. :)
评论来自
GaeBolge
@GaeBolge
You had quite a bit of misinformation in your post. The only thing you had right was the defense cap of 540, which some people will refer to as the cap, and others will refer to it as the floor.
For using a 1h/shield you will have 8% miss on a ? boss, not the 28% you said (Unless DW tanking as a DK, in which case, yes, you would have that much miss). The expertise softcap is 26, which is 6.5%, with the hard cap being 66 or 16.5%, at which point you will never be parried.
As for parry hasting, it's 40% increased speed for the remainder of the bosses swing timer for each parry. This isn't too big a deal for any tank except for a DW DK tank. If you have a lot of DPS in front of the boss getting parried though, that can spell bad news very quickly.
I had specifically said I had expertise cap wrong, and explained my formula for DW tanking in a post below. The guy named Durk or Dyreddyre keeps marking down all my comments to purge, so you cant see it.
And... my formula affects DW DK tanking only. If your a pally, warrior, or druid, this doesn't apply and wont work, so you shouldn't be reading it unless you plan on making a DW DK Tank.
I'll repost said comments in a moment.
评论来自
Zefyrus
For all those who farmed for
Foror's Compedium of Dragon Slaying
back in the days in order to obtain the old
Quel'Serrar
but never seen it drop, this is a gift from... Blizzard. :p
评论来自
m4ko
Comparison of all ilvl 245 tank weapons:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?compare=48699;49495;48044
Drop locations: 1x Onyxia 25 and 2x 10-man Anub hardmode
If you can't kill Anub in 25-man heroic mode for the 258 weapon your best bet to get a decent mainhand is to farm 10man heroic coliseum.
评论来自
tiel
Everyone calls it the defense cap because it's understood by the community. And it is fine if it's called that way even if it is a bit of a misnomer (it's not).
If you're going to be that anal about something like that, you should know that strictly speaking you are incorrect. There is a defense cap because you reach an avoidance cap via dodge, block, miss, and parry. This defense hard cap is higher than the soft cap, but not by that much and it is (and always has been) within reach for geared tanks. So there you go, there is a defense cap.
It does not, as you suggest, give "solid increase" to anything. 110 defense rating, or 22 defense skill does barely anything. The value of the proc is in the armor, and the defense proc is next to useless; it gives you about 3% overall avoidance. That's less than trinket proc.
Furthermore, stacking defense is one of the worst ways to gear yourself. Yes, you want 540 defense skill. However, you don't want to exceed 540 defense by too much; other stats that take up less itemization budget are--and always have been--more effective in end-game tanking, as you pointed out. This is one of the reasons "defense cap" is a fitting term.
I'm downrating you for posting wrong information then having the gall to call us ignorant.
There is so much fail in that post it makes my insides hurt.
Everything
you said is wrong, except 540 being crit cap.
Ya having an additional 2.68% avoidance (
not including block % buff
) is terribly useless...the same avoidance as having 6 extra
subtle cardinal rubies
with about a 90% uptime...no point in that.
And maybe the main tanks for world #1 and #3 guilds, who are clearing Heroic Toc with noone dying, need to be told by you to stop putting +20 defense on their shields, since they're already at 570 defense or higher.
评论来自
241013
Testing shows that the proc can be triggered by Seal of Vengance ticks. For a prot pally who is doing their rotation, the buff has near 100% uptime. That makes this weapon better than anything dropped in TOC.
Expecting this to be downranked. Most tanks seem to misunderstand the values of armor and defense rating, as well as the proc rate. Do some reading into this weapon, don't throw it out because you can't be assed to do the math.
评论来自
301134
This will be amazing for paladin tanks. Especially with reckoning.
The ammount of mitigation 110 Def and 1.5k armor gives you is insane.
This will be my weapon of choice when beginning to tank icecrown.
评论来自
475201
RAWR says this weapon is the best overall weapon for protection paladin.
Just some additional info.
评论来自
Liquids
Some statistics after my first raid night using this weapon.
I am a protection paladin
without
Reckoning
. Obviously using
Seal of Corruption
for tanking.
65,9% uptime on XT (10 man hard)
. This is the most interesting number IMO.
76,0% uptime on Twin Valkyr (10 man hard). Mostly tanked apart but was on top of each other for maybe 1/4 of the fight.
75,9% uptime on Auriaya (10 man). Tanking her plus one add.
76,1% uptime on Kologarn (10 man). I was tanking the body.
66,4% uptime on Algalon (10 man). This is average from three wipes and a kill (62% on the kill). I was tanking him for approx. 3/4 of the time.
As you can see, I have mostly included fights where you tank a boss almost constantly to give as clear results as possible.
XT gives the purest result (you are on him constantly and you hit no other targets).
Twins and auriaya have a little splash, and kologarn has a lot of splash because of the arms.
Algalon has a little splash from stars and constellations, but in return you are not hitting him all the time (when kiting constellations and running from big bang).
评论来自
78063
No one has commented on whether a DK can Dual-Wield this and the 232 version and have the procs stack. The Procs not having an internal CD, and having every tanking ability besides Howling Blast hit with both swords would greatly increase the ppm. I don't have any math on this, but I'm pretty sure a DK can Dual-Wield the two swords and at the very least have 1 proc up constantly, and have the other one up periodically, greatly increasing mitigation and armor.
On a threat stand point, besides a Broken Promise, a Quel-Serrar is the slowest tanking weapon, making it a huge threat increase for DK's.
Can anyone confirm if these CAN be Dual-wielded and share the procs?
评论来自
43530
An
Official Blizzard Wallpaper
shows a Dwarf fighting Onyxia with Quel'Serrar... but here's the funny thing; he's also equipped with the Scourgestalker Helmet/Shoulders!
I'd say "Hunter Weapon!" but um... It's class-limited to Warrior/Paladin/Death Knight... so I say HAX!
评论来自
52079
Ah yes, the Quel'delar's (neglected) little tanking brother.
Lower ilvl, lower dps, with only a 6% chance of dropping in a 25-man raid (that usually employs 2 or 3 tanks, which further lowers the percentage) that can be done only once a week, whereas QD is a non-soulbound (auctionable) random drop from not one, but THREE different heroics (the number of daily runs to get it further increased by the random heroic mechanic), and can be farmed from trash with resets without getting saved to the instance, and easily assembled within the first 12 hours after the patch release.
Hmm. And people are surprised that tanking specs are under-represented in the game?
评论来自
Mosruio
Somehow rawr v2.3.2 ranks this weapon over all other ilvl245 weapons for protection paladins (mitigation, avoidance and threat summed up).
评论来自
Thaih
After some testing around, I am 99% sure that the two procs will
NOT
stack, so Dual wield DK's should not take both the 10 man and 25 man versions.
评论来自
431538
What I wonder about this sword since it is the sister blade of Quel'Delar, is why it is iL245 instead of iL251... O_o
评论来自
481166
It is probably pretty good for ICC, since Chill of the Throne makes you lose 20% dodge chance, and this would help get at least some of that dodge rating, and since it adds parry it will also compensate for some of that lost dodge.
评论来自
323598
I have not red all the comments yet but i say this:
Our main Fury war has Tank OS. he has this sword and the shield from toc (nowdays he rarely tanks so he hasnt upgraded his gear just yet). once or twice our MT died and he equiped through a macro that sword and his shield while opening shield wall. on proc he had around 546 def rating which IS the minimum def rating (Def cap).
so practically he was crit immune for the seconds of the proq (which procced around 5 seconds after the equip. that even with NO OTHER TANK GEAR (+ shield wall for the duration left) bought us an extra 25 seconds with minimal overhealing and a maintained TPS (due to the extra stats from fury). in cases like this it can be very helpfull.
The fight was festergut and the MT died at around 9% on 25-man. We still managed to finish the fight (still on the 1st boss-dmg increase)
评论来自
45790
I am so jealous of the new kids who can get Quel'serrar of a drop. I worked damn hard to get my ORIGINAL one (endless farming in Dire Maul). And there was a great story behind it. But now it is just pug and roll :'(
I hope they come up with the new forms of T1 tanking set. Cause this sword looks reaaly sexy with Mights ;)
评论来自
Valthoran
Quel'Serrar was forged for the Kaldorei and it should be wielded only by them.
评论来自
Siccarius
Best xmog 1H sword in game. Get it while you can!
评论来自
theodoeshutup
when i got this i was like holy %^&* this sword is huge so now its my transmog and cant be happier... :-)
评论来自
1501313
Got it in the first attempt :) protection warrior transmog - looks aewsome!
评论来自
kellorion
Needs to be updated so Demon Hunters can use it.
评论来自
Rexican
This has such a great model. It's disappointing that not everyone can equip this item. After trasnmog changes in 7.0 you can only equip items available to that specific class.
评论来自
Ironza
Been farming for this, feels like a difficult item to get these days back from when they reduced the boss-loot in cataclysm for old content!
Lovely sword though, wish I had completed the quest in vanilla for the original however.
评论来自
dasbaum
奎尔塞拉
磨亮的奎尔塞拉
雪亮的奎尔塞拉
The item Quel'Serrar and its versions from onyxia are not available to demon hunters for transmog, This is limited by the restriction set on the item with the affix: "Classes: Warrior, Paladin, Death Knight, Monk". Demon Hunters were not added when Legion was released.
It was originally a paladin/warrior tank weapon, which was only available through a long and epic questline back in vanilla (I got it on my warrior back then ^^). And afaik it does not fit the lore and style for demon hunters, although it would look neat. It's a design decision made early on before Legion launch by the developers to
not
add it as transmog for demon hunters (scource: some random GM I asked about this).
评论来自
Dantus
Now i am also a proud owner of Quel'Serrar. This weapon has eluded me for quite some time as back in the day i was just a kid and did not understand much of the game. Now i like to collect epic items from past expansions, like Sulfuras, Quel'Derar, Arcanite Reaper and some others. While i was not able wo enjoy them when it was current content, I can now. Well it is not the original, but that does not matter to me, let the real Tanks keep them in their banks.
评论来自
Samaramon1
I wish this blue/gold sword didn't glow freaking GREEN. And you can't even overwrite it. Such a weird decision.
评论来自
Archanos
Burnished, the act of polishing or improving something looks about right, still shame my old character was lost,
评论来自
PaigeMary
How silly is it that Death Knights can wield one of these where a rogue cannot. A Monk can but they don't even swing the swords cause their abilities are using hands and feet. Blizzard really dropped the buck on this one.
评论来自
retpally4lyfe
I just want this to drop so I can use the transmog on my paladin. Been farming on 8 characters (alliance and horde) and I have yet to see this or the mount drop.
评论来自
Strokelock
Of course it drops on a toon who can't wield Swords... ><
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