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Comentado por 868323

Antigos espíritos do mal, transformem esta forma decadente em Mumm Rá! Que tem vida eterna!

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Comentado por 158969

then hes counted as a undead and can be feared by a paladin?

Comentado por iBeastMastery

This will be awkward, if an Undead death knight uses it...will there be any change? Or will the mobs think "Hey...he stayed the same...weird"

Comentado por d3nyd

I'd assume you'll be vulnerable to Shackle, Turn Evil, etc while using this, since you'll be immune to the other CC. Just make sure you don't fight a Holy Paladin when using this skill. Yikes.

Comentado por 176552

Down-rate this.

Comentado por 107419

technically turn undead compells them to flee instead of running in fear (same thing just different wording in spell text) wonder if this has nething to do with it.

Comentado por 176552

See, I looked at both Turn Evil and Fear and saw that the both used:

: Mod Fear

I didn't even notice that they had seperate mechanics. Down-rate my post please.

Comentado por 178088

Does anyone know if you can use Lichborne then heal yourself with Death Coil??? maybe???

Comentado por 178769

because the tool tip says undead it would only make sense that the DK will become vulnerable to a Paladin and Priest, as these are the premier anti-undead classes in game. Plus with all the lore, paladins and priest are essentially anti-death knights. this is a talented skill which basically makes the DK like a warrior. if the DK can use his anti-magic shell while in this form, it would greatly mitigate any paladin-specific spells (holy wrath, exorcism), while still being able to be effectively controlled by another class, hopefully keeping the "omg that's OP" complaining to a minimum.

Comentado por blah17

Yeah, as far as I can tell theres no reason why abilities specificaly for undead would not work against someone under this effect.

Just like how druids are subject to beast-specific things when shape-shifted.

Comentado por 61473

If you get shackeled, you can click the buff (Lichborne) away but it will not cancel the shackle already cast on you. Simply don't use this when fighting a priest or paladin, and save yourself using a CD only to click it away for no real obvious reason.

Comentado por 180929

You can heal yourself with Death Coil then undear effect of Lichborn, what makes this ability very powerfull.

Comentado por 154460

now it's put in the frost(tanking) tree and i guess it makes more senses in a way as it will probably find more applications in pve than pvp(unholy tree) that is.Still it makes me die a little more inside as a pvp aficionado and i still hope that blizz will find a way to counter ranged classes(especially lock) kiting methods.

Comentado por 171630

Can you activate this ability WHILE feared, charmed or asleep? If so, undead death knights would be slightly overpowered with this and WotF........any ideas?

Comentado por faia

anti.-non -undead cc....30% miss rate added against you......you can heal you self with death coil...yeah this is powerful

Comentado por 202718

If I'm not mistaken, I believe the Death Coil talent already says you can heal yourself and other Death Knights, regardless of whether you are undead or not.

Comentado por 194702

Ret paladins have dot now when they crit with their Judgement and Divine Storm that may break Turn Evil spell if you get cough in it during Lichborne.
The chances are low that it break from one dot but it's better then nothing :P

Lichborne + Glyph of Death's Embrace + Full RP bar = 5x Death Coil heals ^^ (only recommended against non-Paladin/Priest)

Comentado por 168193

While the Lichborne effect is active the DK may be Turned Evil and Shackled

Comentado por shouji

Something that wasn't mentioned but quite important to me: Does it break fear if I couldn't use it in time? It says you get immune, but is it usuable when feared?

Comentado por 98874

I popped Lichborn against Ret Pallies just to lure them to use Turn Evil so that I can lock them out of all their spells. It was very effective.

And then I met a ret pally that had Glyph of Turn Evil :(

Comentado por hypehuman

Nobody's really commented on the lore aspect of this talent. How do you "become undead for 15 sec"? Don't you have to die and be resurrected as a ghoul or something? And how do you become living again once it's over? It's a cool talent, but when you think about it, it doesn't really make sense. Of course, this is a game with magic and whatnot, but this seems not to work even within the lore of the game. A Death Knight is not undead.

Comentado por Archael

Rofl...seeing as how the damn ret paladin are so tough i'd say Turn evil are the least of your worries...once it finishes you could do worse than to just keep running..unless of course you're actually trying to kill them. If that is the case then just make a cancelaura macro similar to what paladin have used forever to wipe curses. bubble cancel buble.... Lichborne cancel lichborn works just the same.. Or even an elaborate
/castsequence target=self Lichborne, deathcoil
/cancelaura lichborne

or something to that matter. I went blood so this spell doesn't apply to me but it's simple game mechanics and you can easily use it to your advantage no matter how terrifying it might look at the getgo.

Comentado por 230590

Lichborne works just like the old WotF, except lasts 3x as long (15sec vs 5sec), definitely a prime choice in pvp specs if you can spare points

it DOES break fear/charm/sleep when you are affected by them so its amazing in any DK vs warlock fights, tested this already in some duels

and you are considered undead, so deathcoil heals (you need to macro it or manually target yourself for the spell), you can also be shackled and affected by those crazy paladin anti-undead spells... kind of a tossup vs priests, you will get by the fear but if they are smart they will just CC you until the effect is over, so be careful

Comentado por 264371

I'm not really sure WHY Turn Evil work's against this talent, it's daft really.

'While undead, you are immune to Charm, Fear and Sleep effects'.

Must be another case of exemption like the Paladin's Immunity of Divine Shield vs a Priests Mass Dispel.

Comentado por Wisdomsword

Death Coil Can now heal you :) when your using this spell.

Comentado por 146819

Groundlord, your average typical nubadin.

Game mechanics or not, it's just poorly designed.

First of all, smartass, you've never seen me play the game, so you can't judge whether I'm a noob or not just by my posts on Wowhead.

Second, there's a difference between a living creature running in fear (Fear mechanic) and an Undead creature running from Holy energy (Turn Evil mechanic):
Something that runs in fear is intimidated, and it's afraid of dying or bodily harm (Undead, not having the same senses as the living, have no reason to fear death or pain).
Undead running from Holy energy are doing so because they know that it's going to *!@# them up big-time. Ever seen what happens to a Vampire that gets splashed with Holy Water?

Comentado por 299362

For the longest I was hoping this would turn you into a Lich, but that would be considered unfair to all the other classes.(this was before Wotlk came out) Very nice Tank usage.

Comentado por 33064

With fairly decent gear, and trinkets with avoidance on uses, it is possible to have complete avoidance using this for 15 seconds. Just something to keep in mind/macro, as it's saved my ass before (plus it's a lot of fun when soloing heroics/old raids).

Comentado por 330514

The least they can do with that change is lower its cooldown to 2 mins or something....

Comentado por 171630

This is the only way a member of the Forsaken can get their old Will of the Forsaken back.

I assume it also shares a cooldown with the racial?

Comentado por EvilElpay

Death knight attacks Warlock.
Warlock fears Death Knight.
Death Knight casts Lichborne, breaks fear, and becomes immune to fear.
Holy Paladin casts Turn Undead on Death Knight.
Death Knight ponders his own actions.

Turns out that turn evil has been changed from a fear effect to a turn effect, and what 5v5 team doesn't have a pally right now?

Comentado por 298357

Lichborne is

off the GCD
a good way to get that priest or warlock down quickly without having him mess you up with his aoe fear

But as many have mentioned it makes you vulnerable to Priesty shackle, Paladin Turn Evil and of course Exorcism.
To me, Lichborne is a nice pvp skill I usually can find a point to spend in, I would not recommend using it against any kind of paladins (I'm intentionally leaving priests out here because 1. Shackle has an interruptable cast and 2. Most priests dont have that ready in pvp). It is indeed very useful to finish off a foe or just make it easier to heal yourself up... After all, it's just one talent point :P

Comentado por 126853

No, you will stil be turned. You can however cancel it before Turn Evil is cast to cause it to fizzle, but once you're turned you're turned for the duration.

Comentado por Naveh

u can fear the Lichborne DK with the Warlock Death Coil.

Comentado por 211544

Small visual :

There are worms/maggots/something slithering at the your feet when you have activated Lichborne.

Comentado por 522513

Doesn't require you to not be charmed/feared/sleeped, can even be casted when Stunned.

Comentado por Arsath

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't this spell (or at one point in the past) also cause incoming attacks to miss by 25%?

I'm sorry, but..

Please, read the goddamn comments.

Comentado por Bryrida

I think Will of the Forsaken should be like this, makes you count as "Undead" which makes you immune to fear/charm/sleep but also makes you vunlerable to Paladins and Priests... Might still be overpowered for a racial but would be awesome, maybe they could buff other racials aswell to balance it out (Stoneform making you immune to disease/poison/bleed again).

Comentado por 355194

Besides Lichborne's use for PVP, is the spell helpful during heroics & raids, or are Death Knights when using Lichborne still affected by spells from Paladins or Priests when fighting together?

Comentado por zsofia

use against locks. not priests or pallies :)

Comentado por Quest

This spell coupled with deathcoil basically gives a DK a LoH ability with a 2 min cooldown that takes up 6GCDs to 'cast'. When glyphed of course.

My level 64 DK with under 7k health can self heal for 25k in that 10 second span.

Comentado por 790454

Very good to use vs enemies that will fear you. You do become Undead which means Paladins would own you, but you shouldn't be firing this vs a Paladin anyway, as there is no reason to. This is an ability to blow vs Locks and Priests(Immunity to seduction+Fear). You could be hit with Shackle Undead after wards, but if he's already put dots on you, he'd just break his own CC.

Sad part is the graphic. Instead of giving us an awesome looking Undead model during the duration(Like Noggerfogger but with armor), they instead just put a stupid head over us. It's a lazy cop out. Total lack of effort there. You don't "feel" like an Undead when you look exactly the same except for a hovering skull over you. It should turn you into a damn Skeleton for the duration.

Comentado por 712012

Talent Analysis
Charm, Fear and Sleep effects constitute effects which elicit the loss of control of your character (not including stuns and horrors). Immunity to these is obviously a boon. The effect of becoming undead is two-fold: firstly, it allows you to use Death Coil to heal yourself. However, it also makes you susceptible to damage and crowd control centered around the undead, so be cautious.

In soloing, this can provide an avenue of healing for DKs, though you would probably opt for a Death Strike in preference, especially when glyphed. In Raiding and Dungeoneering, a DK tank may some use as a self-heal opportunity with DC, or as a pre-emptive to mitigatable crowd control. PvP DKs will see use of this as a prophylaxis for many crowd-control methods, and an opportunity to heal oneself on the fly.

My talent analyses are always able to be edited if people believe I've missed, or wrongly included something as significant.

Comentado por asakawa

Lichborne in PvP prevents:

Sap
Polymorph
Hex

It prevents and also breaks:

Seduce
Fear
Mind Control

Comentado por 886820

While undead will they receive other undead racials such as the underwater breathing?

Edit:I tried it today with a DK i made and it appears that you don't get longer underwater breathing.

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