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Kommentar von 105972

Smite->Archangel->Holy Fire->Smite->Heal Partner->Archangel.... Gemming INT just became a bit more attractive.

Kommentar von 462722

That sound you're hearing is paladins crying over the fact that we get a sexier wing animation.

Kommentar von skribs

What is the duration on this effect?

EvilElpay, it's 3% mana cost reduction at 1 rank, 6% mana cost reduction at 2 ranks. So 579+544+509+474+440 = 2546 mana (after that each would be 405 mana). Considering that Int is a very likely culprit to gem in Cata, you're looking at mana pools continuing to be huge. The mana regeneration offered would also scale real well with gear.

Kommentar von actuallyAatu

Long time lurker, first time poster... and it took this little gem of a spell to get me typing.

I'm a very happy priest.

Even happier to see the newer screenshots here show:

a) wings popping from behind the back, rather than in the middle of the character model and
b) no longer the paladin wings I've seen video of elsewhere.

Kommentar von 501904

Does anyone have any info/comments on how Dark Archangel (Dark Evangelism) works for Shadow Priests?

Kommentar von dingbot1

Beautiful animation
Off the global cooldown
Free mana

Kommentar von SergeantKoopa

I'm a little confused by the explanations. Does this restore exactly the percentage of mana, or is it a percentage for each stack?

Kommentar von lorddax

Anyone have data yet on how Atonement interacts with Archangel stacks? ie Will an atoned Smite heal 115% of the damage dealt with a full Archangel stack or does Atonement healing currently ignore the Archangel stack?

Kommentar von Tastemymilk

I was curious if this was something to get for my alt for mana regen purpose, so I had a look into what is needed for that. Thought I'd post my results if anyone else happens to have the same question:

To gain instead of lose mana by casting 5 Smites and popping Archangel, you need the first Smite (the one without the Evangelism buff) to cost less than 3.4091% of your maximum mana.

So, hover your mouse cursor over your Smite in game and see it's cost, then divide that by your maximum mana - if the result is less than 0.034091, then you gain mana with 5 Smites and one Archangel, if the results are more than 0.034091, then you lose mana this way.

Formula:
Y=X+0.94X+0.88X+0.82X+0.76X=4.4X
where Y is the cost of 5 Smites (in % of your maximum mana) with 2/2 in Evangelism and X is the cost of your first Smite (in % of your maximum mana).
Now we want Y to be less than 15% of your maximum mana (the amount you get back from Archangel):
Y<15
4.4X<15
X<3.4091

I know there are alot of other things to take into consideration when deciding to pick up the talent or not, but for me this was the most interesting factor of the talent, and it turned out I lose mana on my lvl 20 priest this way.

Kommentar von Dioskoros

(UPDATE: Oops, didn't look carefully enough to see if other people had already covered this. I'll leave it in anyway, though, since it provides another way of figuring out whether or not Archangel makes sense for you.)

Since this is now available very early on for Discipline priests, I did some calculations on its efficiency.

Unfortunately, as far as mana efficiency goes the results are pretty poor. The problem is that you need your base mana to be no more than about 22% of your total mana in order to break even (and that's with a full five stacks of Evangelism). Otherwise you end up losing mana even after cashing in Archangel.

Ideally you want your base mana to be 20% of your total mana or less, in which case your Smites are always free mana if you remember to consume your Evangelism stack before it expires. Reaching the desired base/total mana ratio is cake at upper levels, but even as high as Lv. 40 my priest still is at 29%. This means that I lose mana with every cast of Smite, even if I cash in Archangel.

Of course dungeon mana efficiency isn't everything. In 4.0.1 right now I only go OOM in battlegrounds, and in dungeons I never need to drink. So perhaps Atonement, the healing buff, and the (tiny) extra bit of DPS makes up for it. And by all means the talent is excellent for questing, since you'll be casting Smite all the time anyway. But if you're thinking a Smite/Archangel rotation will be a good way to keep your mana up in low-level dungeons, I'm sorry to say that isn't the case.

Kommentar von 448526

Keep in mind that the spell and changes are made with Cataclysm in mind, so the usefulness of spells like Archangel don't seem as important since regen in Wotlk is quite high compared to what you'll be getting at 85. Abilities like Archangel that restore mana will be more important in preventing an oom priest. Smiting to heal is also intended more for raids in Cataclysm, where it isn't as much "twitch reflex" healing, and a tank doesn't die in 3 blows. If you look at other heal specs like resto shamans, they also rely on dps spells to help regen mana improve their healing in some way.

Kommentar von 104233

Smiting critters will also give you an Evangelism stack. This can come in handy outside of combat if you just want the healing buff and mana return since it'll let you top off a four stack or refresh your stack if Archangel is on cooldown.

Kommentar von Eroth

The Dark Archangel looks just AWESOME.

Kommentar von Shoddythetroll

With the current patch, WoWhead didn't mention this in their patch blog but Archangel now gives only 1% of total mana per stack, down from 3% of total mana per stack.

Kommentar von 618839

So, when will we get a screenshot of a mage spellstealing both this and wings from a paladin?
SUPER SAIYAN MAGE!

Kommentar von Cloudburst

After the most recent revision of Archangel, for Discipline:

Y=X+.94X+.88X+.82X+.76X=4.4X

Again, where Y is the cost of 5 chain-cast Smites with 2/2 Evangelism, and X is the cost of 1 with no stacks of Evangelism, both in percent of maximum mana.

Only this time, we need Y to be less than 5% in order to break even:
Y<5%
4.4X<5%
X<1.13636%

Divide the cost of a Smite with no Evangelism stacks by your total mana; if the result is less than .0113636 then you gain mana by chain-casting 5 Smites and following it up with Archangel.

Just out of curiousity, I repeated the calculation for 1-4 stacks of Evangelism as well.

1.0000%
1.0309%
1.0638%
1.0989%
1.3636%

Of course, if you're like me, then you'll be popping Archangel left and right while leveling purely for the "OMGWINGS" factor.

Kommentar von Eroth

And now just imagine a Mage who just did spellsteal on Avenging Wrath and Dark Archangel?

Trololol, awesomeness!

-edit-
whoops, someone already mention it, but... anywayz itz asom!

Kommentar von 315499

All your calculations are nice and correct but when it comes in practical use, reaching 85 level as a holy priest, trying to heal rough battles in heroic dungeons or either raid fights, all this mechanism is a perfect fail. Seriously NO time to cast 5 smites to gain evangelism and turn it to archangel while my party takes damage or while I avoid fires, tornadoes and bad cataclysmic things.. The only spec I would recommend this build type is pve shadow priest to gain mana... in pvp? well discipline and shadow could use it to gain mana, damage or heal effectiveness but seriously I would prefer to spend my talents elsewhere.. Having a dispelable beneficial buff standing up there, trying so hard to gain it and.. just lose it by a dispel magic, shield slam or whatever? no thank you!
I would expect something more practical and helpful rather than wasting mana.
So, personaly I didn't liked the whole mechanism working of all this Archangel and Evangelism.

Kommentar von 136440

This is my true form: the Necromartyr. I added the wings.

Kommentar von 763083

For me, casting smite at level 85 since patch 4.0.3 cost 3088 mana, making Archangel unbeneficial for just regenerating mana, since the mana cost of five smites exceeds the mana gain from arcangel unless I have 274k mana or more (wich I certainly don´t have, I currently have 78k mana).
Considering the mana reducement of 6% for each stack of evangelism, the total mana cost of casting five smite sequently will be:
3088(0,94^5-1)/(0,94-1)=13,7k using geometric sequence. To make that much mana out of Archangel, you need to have a mana pool of atleast 13,7k/0,05=274k mana since you recover 5% of you total mana
So, unless you´ve hit 274k mana, you´ll loose mana by using Archangel.

Kommentar von 748840

I suggest:

1) Absolution set.
2) Archangel.
3) Levitate

This will make you:

4) Angelic

Kommentar von Tastemymilk

Leveling a disc priest now. Pairing this with Atonement (requires level 29 and 31 for rank 1/2 and rank 2/2 respectively) I'm queuing random dungeons as healer and just spam this bull$%^& macro

/cast Archangel
/cast Smite

With this boring ass way of playing, I just smite some mob that's being tanked, and whoever has lowest health (tank or melee DPS) gets healed through Atonement, and I get the uber wings 60% of the time spent in the dungeon plus the returned mana. Top this of with Glyph of Spirit Tap and you can have some fun (probably the only thing remotely close to fun while playing like this) trying to time Shadow Word: Death to give you a glyph proc on low health mobs so you don't have to drink.

Extremely unsatisfactory and boring way of playing and I hope Blizzard will fix it, but for now it's too effective to not abuse as it effectively gives your group a 5'th DPS (tanks while leveling are usually best DPS class, due to their early AOE abilities, so an ordinary group really has 4 DPSers, not 3).

Kommentar von 799609

To me this talent seems lackluster in discipline but great in shadow.

In my shadow set I currently have 72075 mana (I removed trinkets/cloak since they proc), I decided to see the mana returns on both and dark archangel and the difference is staggering. After casting smite 5 times I was at about 60.7k mana, about 11.3k mana used on Smite and I only got a measly 3603 mana return. Compared with mind flay which stacks with 2 full channeled mind flay which is about 3294 mana and got a whopping 18019 mana return.

In my opinion Evangelism needs a buff! 3.6k mana is not sufficient enough to make a difference they either need to reduce the amount of mana required to cast smite or give better mana returns. Because of this I decided to get rid of Evangelism/Archangel/Atonement from my disc spec.

On a side note some of you might say that since I cast smite while in shadow spec it makes a difference, but it really doesn't since both smite/mind flay proc their own individual Evangelism and in both specs Smite still cost 3088 mana.

Kommentar von Ty52

ok to stop the QQ about why shadow evangelism recieves more mana than the "good" evangelism, it´s because healers should have less mana problems than dps, meaning they don´t need as much mana as shadow uses. and believe me, if you´re reading this and about to write "but i have bla bla bla..." it´s just because you´re still undergeared or stacking the wrong stats.

edit: just in case, healers = only Disc in this case, it is a VERY bad idea to spec evangelism being Holy

Kommentar von Ordayc

Funny remark: Even though Erzengel and Dunkler Erzengel cannot be triggered simultaneously (since Prediger and Dunkler Prediger cannot be active at the same time), it is nonetheless possible to obtain both Archangel buffs (and thus both types of wings) together: Simply log off quickly after you obtained one set of wings, wait until the spell cooled down, re-log and trigger the other set of wings. While this does not have much use, it at least looks interesting.

(*) Before patch 4.3, the two Evangelisms could stack, but even then it was impossible to get both Archangel effects. When the Archangel spell was used, only one Archangel effect was picked. The Archangel effect chosen corresponded to the Evangelism buff that was triggered last (i.e. if you first received 5 stacks of Evangelism and then 5 stacks of Dark Evangelism, Dark Archangel was picked).

Kommentar von Gnoktish

Reading on the mana recovery for Archangel. 1% for every charge given. I'm not sure 5% mana will really get us anywhere when Dark archangel gives 5% for every charge. 15% mana is a really good supply of mana and the Dark Archangel effect increases the damage done by our main shadow spells by 20%. While Archangel increases healing for 15%. It appears to me that this talent leans more to the DPS than healing. Discipline Priests won't always be able to use smite or holy fire, especially during the Zul'aman/Zul'gurub heroics. The priest might be able to squeeze one in, but is pretty much it.

Kommentar von tarthur1

While you're correct and the dark version gives 25% mana instead of 5% (at 5 stacks), do note that it consumes the dark evangelism, therefore the cooldown of archangel is 90sec instead of just 30. This being said, the dark version still gives more mana, but in the same 90sec period of time, you're comparing 25% to the 15% you'd get from being able to cast 3 in 90sec.

Also, both the +damage and +healing buffs last for 18sec, so for dark, you'd gain 18sec of +20% damage, plus a +25% instant mana recovery every 90 sec; for healing, you'd gain a total of 54sec of +15% healing, plus three separate +5% instant mana recoveries (again, for a total of +15% total mana recovery) in that same 90sec period.

When taking all of this into account, I think it's fairly balanced. In fact, in my opinion, I think healing actually comes out slightly more on top since they get their buff more frequently and still get really good mana returns, but it's more about damaging while healing when using this as disc/holy. In the end, it really depends on the disc/holy priest's playstyle as to how truly helpful this spell is to them.

Evangelism notes:
Also, more about whether this is healing oriented versus damage oriented, it really is mostly about damage. I say this because in order to get the stacks up, you have to be using damaging abilities; the buffs of evangelism themselves even provide damage increases. Do note, however, that Dark Evangelism benefits longer since you'll get it up to 5 stacks then have another 75sec or so before you can use Archangel to consume them compared to the holy version that reaches 5 stacks but gets consumed within about 15secs or so before having to start again (due to the dfference of cooldown). I hope this makes sense.

Short summary
Evangelism
(with both talents invested)
Dark Evangelism (5 stacks):
+10% damage to all shadow DoT spells

Holy Evangelism (5 stacks):
+20% damage to Penance, Smite and Holy Fire
-30% mana cost to those spells

Archangel
(assuming you stack Evangelism to 5 and use archangel whenever off cooldown)
Dark Archangel:
+20% damage for 20% of time played (since you get 18sec of the buff every 90sec).
+1.39% of your total mana regenerated per 5sec.

Holy Archangel:
+15% healing for 60% of time played (since you get 18sec of the buff every 30sec).
+.833% of your total mana regenerated per 5sec.

Edit(s): talked about evangelism and improved the general flow of the comment as to be most helpful.

Kommentar von Zaalbeth

It might be worth noting that since 4.1.0, Evangelism now procs from Holy Fire as well as Smite. Even with the 10-sec cooldown, with Holy Fire the faster, cheaper and more powerful spell (Atonement aside) it seems natural to cast at least 1 while stacking Evangelism.

Kommentar von Zaalbeth

The latest in a long line of attempts to understand this talent:

Smite costs 15% base mana.
85 priest's base mana = 20590 (at least it was in 4.0.3)
85 Smite costs: 3089

2 points in Evangelism means each Smite reduces the cost of the next. The average cost of a chain of 5 Smites is therefore: 2626
Total cost of 5 x Smite: 13130

Using Archangel with 5 stacks of Evangelism grants 5% of your TOTAL mana. 13130 is 5% of 262,600.

This means you need to have 262,600 total mana (and hey, who doesn't) for Archangel to, at best, break even. Any less than this and you will always get back less mana than you spent. On the bright side, if you patiently only cast Holy Fire, you could break even with Archangel with as little as 192k total mana. So anything's possible ;)

If you have something like 120k total mana, you could consider that your Archangel is capable of halving the cost of your Smite/Holy Fire. But really the point is what is achieved in the meanwhile: a heap of damage, a 3-15% healing buff and (with Atonement) hopefully a fair bit of healing. If the Smite rotation is your thing, Archangel could double its mana-efficiency, and buff your healing in the meanwhile.

Kommentar von saphyron

I have been trying to heal with smite penance and holy fire today. and surprising it went well.

well the tank went low hp sometimes but overall the use of shielding the tank prayer of healing and spamming smite kept the groups alive with no death at all.

though i would love to get more mana out of it since even with mixed dps healer gear i had trouble keeping my mana after 2 boss fights in Halls of origination in the top. but otehr than that i could keep my mana just fine on trash...

hmm thinking about it i think i forgot to use shadowfiend maybe thats why i was lacking mana meh details.

EDIT:

tl:dr smite can be used as a valid alternative for healing for a medicore group

to the mana use

with my gear

1 smite = 3088
2 smite = 3088+2902
3 smite = 3088+2902+2532
4 smite = 3088+2902+2532+2346
5 smite = 3088+2902+2532+2346+2161

which in total = 13029 mana

by spamming smite constantly at a rate of 1.79 sec cast time it will take me
5*1,79 = 8,95 sec to be able to pop angel

angel gives me 6434 mana back

thats a loss of 6595 mana

but in that time i have gained 2288 mp5 from spirit

8,95 sec equals to
8,95/5*2288 = 4095

take that away from the loss and you have
6595-4095 = 2500 mana in loss

smite heals a tank for 8000 per smite and since i cast 5 smite i get
5*8000 = 40000 heal
above number is abselutely minmum i can heal with smite

so 40k healing over 9s which only cost you 2500mana is a okay trade not the best but its okay for regulary encounters

now lets go a step further and say you are healing like this only in a boss fight
this fight takes 1min (random heroic boss)

and lets say all the others are melee (then they will all be healed by this since it heals friendly 15 yards away from target)

there is a 30sec cooldown so you will only be able to pop angel twice in this fight.

we have the first 9 sec in order

for the next 30 sec we will spam smite and with a cast time of 1.79sec
30/1,79 = we will cast 16 smite's

but its only the first 4 which is expensive but here is the list
so basicly the mana use will be
3088+2902+2532+2346+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161+2161 = 36800 mana used

in that time you have regenerated
30/5*2288 = 13728 mana

to put the numbers to gether
every 39 sec you
heal (16+5)*8000 = 168k = 4307 healing per sec minimum
and you loose mana 36800+13029-13728-4095-6434 = 26271 per 39 sec = 673 mana per sec

allso the good part of it you add dps to the target
which is 8000 damage per smite or 168k damage per 39 sec

so basicly you have medicore healing output of 4307 healing per sec and you have a dps of 4307 per sec and you have barely used any mana

now all these numbers are minimum with my sucky gear and that is not considering the lots of procs i have and also that i use penance and holy fire alot as well. allso not included the shield but by smite alone with a semi good group you can heal by dps'ing

off cause if you take it into consideration of many other spells the smite heal isent impressive other than you basicly can't run dry of mana in 1 fight

but since im a numbers guy lets compare it to other spells

please note when it says mana use per sec above 0 that means thats mana you loose per sec after regen if you have 100k mana and you loose 3000 per sec it will take you 100000/3000 = 33,33 sec to go oom

every 39 seconds
smite 4307 healing per sec - 4307 dps - 673 mana use per sec - 168k healing
penance (on friendly) 1384 healing per sec - 0 dps - 0 mana use per sec - 54k healing
binding heal 15384 healing per sec - 0 dps - 3982 mana use per sec - 600k healing
heal 2772 healing per sec - 0 dps - 389 mana use per sec - 108k healing
renew 1059 healing per sec - 0 dps - 0 mana use per sec - 41k healing
flash heal 10000 healing per sec - 0 dps - 3982 mana use per sec - 390k healing
prayer of healing 13652 healing per sec - 0 dps - 2074 mana use per sec - 532k healing
greater heal 7272 healing per sec - o dps - 2074 mana use per sec - 283k healing

decided to make another test to show the difference in gear from back then and now.... i might have made a mistake in the old one though since my hps on smite has increased much from back then.

spell - hps - mana cost per second - dps - lasting mana

Renew: 1529 hps -755,4 mana cost per second 0 dps infinite
penance: 1828,3 hps -610,1 mana cost per second 0 dps infinite
Bind heal: 22366 hps 3689 mana cost per second 0 dps 37,69 sec
heal: 4341,7 hps 27,8 mana cost per second 0 dps 83,4 min
flash heal: 14345,7 hps 3689 mana cost per second 0 dps 37,69 sec
PoH: 17286,7 hps 1686,6 mana cost per second 0 dps 82,44 sec
great heal: 12471,6 hps 1784,2 mana cost per second 0 dps 77,93 sec
smite: 4331,7 hps 228,6 mana cost per second 4331,7 dps 10,14 min

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@Pharzon
You can also drink RedBull and get 10 wings total:)

Kommentar von 906792

Reminds me of being a Victoria Secret angel when i have Erzengel popped. Now all i need is a runway. :D

Kommentar von Zizera1

I gona miss that ;(

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