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Kommentar von SoooWhoCares

Ein unsichtbarer Angriffszähler steuert die Buffvergabe bei dieser Fähigkeit. Mit jedem 4. Angriff gegen dasselbe Ziel wird der Schaden gegen dieses Ziel um +10% erhöht. Dieser Schadensbuff hält 15s und lässt sich auf 15s auffrischen durch erneute Nutzung von einem der beiden Stöße.

Die Staffelung:
kein Schadensbuff aktiv: Mit dem 4. Stoß gibt's den ersten Proc für +10% Schaden für 15s, der sich durch weitere Stöße auffrischen lässt
10% Schadensbuff aktiv: Hält 15s, Dauer auffrischbar durch weitere Stöße. Mit dem 4. Stoß, während der 10% Buff aktiv ist wird der Schaden auf +20% erhöht für 15s.
20% Schadensbuff aktiv: Hält 15s, Dauer auffrischbar durch weitere Stöße. Mit dem 4. Stoß, während der 20% Buff aktiv ist wird der Schaden auf +30% erhöht für 15s.
30% Schadensbuff aktiv: Hält 15s lang und hat eine nicht auffrischare Dauer, sondern läuft nach 15s aus. Erst, wenn der Buff ausgelaufen ist beginnt der 4er Zähler wieder zu zählen, um zu ermitteln, wann der +10% Buff wieder vergeben wird.

Man hat also nach 12 Stößen auf dasselbe Ziel +30% Schaden aktiv. Sobald man eine der beiden Stöße gegen ein anderes Ziel nutzt verschwindet der Buff.

Zusätzlich erzeugte Combopunkte aus der Glyphe 'Finserer Stoß' (20% Chance pro Finsterer Stoß zwei Combopunkte zu erzeugen statt einen) haben keinen Einfluss bei dieser Mechanik.

Bevor man die 30% Phase nutzt sollte man evtl. noch etwas Energie ansammeln, um möglichst viele Combopunkte in Schaden umzusetzen.
Situationsabhängig.

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Kommentar von fatalicus

The text on this talent is currently wrong (at least as i see it).

This skill does NOT have a 100% proc rate on SS and RS, but rather something like a 20% proc rate.

but after it has been proced once, it seems to have a 100% chance to refresh the timer on the buff.

It then seems to have about 20% proc rate to go up too the second level (10% damage) and so on.

Kommentar von pidgey

For those of you looking the max buff level is named "Deep Insight"

Might help those trying to setup aura addons, without actually doing long fights.

Kommentar von luponero

As the above posters have said, it's a three step buff. After you deal 4 SS/ RvS, one step will pop, first green (5%), then yellow (10%) and red (15%). Each of the 4 SS/RvS hits from each step will renew the buff's duration, even the first 4 strikes to get the green, albeit it won't show up.

Kommentar von DroRaz

the buffs form this talent are:
Oberflächliche Einsicht for the first proc, Moderate Einsicht for the second, and Tiefe Einsicht for the final proc.

Kommentar von 453636

"Bandit's Guile Rank 3
Your Sinister Strike and Revealing Strike abilities have a 100% chance to grant you an evolving insight into an opponent's defenses, increasing damage to that target by up to 30%. Opponents can adapt over time, negating this benefit, and Striking a different opponent will begin the cycle anew."

Ok, indulge me. Who does the insight buff or debuff actually GO to? I read the words "-% chance to grant you an evolving-" as though it applies a buff to myself, but then I read "- increasing damage to that target by up to-", making me infer it as though it applies a debuff to whatever target I'm SS'ing. I certainly hope it's the former (and I think it is), as if not and it's a debuff, then it implies it's a flat +30% damage to that target for anybody, which assuredly doesn't help MY deeps; it just gets the target dead faster.

Perhaps this is just me being too critical or overly concerned over Blizz's wording of it.

EDIT: Typos - Spelling hard.

Kommentar von 8488

One of the single worst talents blizzard has ever designed, and it is the sole reason combat is so dead right now.

Kommentar von oldcheddar

Just wanted to say that this talent is pretty trash for leveling, from my experience. At level 65, even on bosses in dungeons I never get beyond Shallow Insight, and on trash usually don't even see that. I dunno if it gets better later (probably around 80), but for now, I'll skip it

Kommentar von 790454

The problem with this talent is that Combat is a build designed for GROUPS of enemies, hence the Blade Flurry and Killing Spree. That's also why Recup and SnS are improved in the tree, so you can put up the buffs and keep switching targets without the points going to waste, thus improving your function in an AoE environment. All the defense talents are for situations vs groups of mobs or players as well when you might be getting pounded on(Play a Tol Barad as a Rogue). In either case, you will switch targets FREQUENTLY as they start to die. In such cases, this talent is pretty much worthless. You have to use SS/RS 4 times to even get the buff, then 4 more to stack it up twice. 1 target switch and the buff is gone. What a joke.

What is it exactly? Well it's a talent that builds up a buff the longer we are on a single target, but in a tree that in itself is almost fully dedicated to AoE(Both Dps and survival) and fast target switching. By design this talent is just plain bad. It's a gimp version of Vendetta, and that only costs 1 talent point. I've done a billion heroics and only ever once in a blue moon was a Rogue ever specced into combat for them, because this IS NOT a tree for single targets that will last a long time. This talent is counter productive to the entire tree. My point is that if you have this for a boss, you're better off as Assassin, and if you have Combat for group PvP, you're better off without this talent... Put the pts into Imp Sprint, Blade Twisting, or Throwing Spec, all would be FAR more useful vs players.

You got to ask yourself, WHEN would a Combat Rogue, when using this tree for what it is actually designed around, ever be on a single target long enough for this buff to build up? Heroic bosses? Raids? Nope, that's what the Assassin tree is for. This is Combat. Tol Barad fights? Nope. 1vs1 PvP? Nope, they will likely be dead before the buff gets to max, or you will. There's NO points to this talent. It needs to be redesigned to be a buff that carries from target to target, thus sticking to the trees design and purpose. A simple solution would be to remove the requirement of staying on a single target, and allow the buff to stack/carry to anything you are hitting. It'd then stack up regardless of switching targets and not drop instantly right after you do get it.

In summery this is a talent that is pretty much worthless to anyone at max lvl, unless you are the SUPER RARE Rogue that does Heroics as Combat spec. My hunter has full heroic gear... and I think I've seen like.... 2 of those.

Kommentar von 363068

people seem to get confused about the ''100% chance''.
if you read it carefully you'll see that it says ''100% chance to grant you an evolving insight into an opponent's defenses''
that doesn't have to mean 100% proc chance. my guess is that there is an invisable stacking buff. once that buff has reached a limit you will get 1 proc from it.
or maybe an oher mechanic which functions the same way.

Kommentar von kodikun

This has been figured out over at Elitistjerks. it takes 4 uses of either Sinister Strike or Revealing Strike (Any combination of the two) to make it go up one level.

Kommentar von ewolfg1

I wouldn't say people are confused about how the tooltip reads at all but rather that blizz worded it very poorly to the point it is misleading. The first time I read it I thought it meant I would get the buff after the first SS/RS use, which is in fact wrong. Imo it should read something more like:

"For every combination of 4 Sinister Strike/Revealing Strike you have a 100% chance to grant you an evolving insight into an opponent's defenses, increasing damage to that target by 10% up to 30% max. Opponents can adapt over time, negating this benefit for a time, and Striking a different opponent will begin the cycle anew."

Kommentar von Archael

This is a sort of "Burst-Inhibitor". There are parallels to this in several different class's talents. This would keep a heavily geared combat rogue from sneaking up and totally unleashing hell on a player with Adrenaline Rush. While the output of a heavily geared rogue adrenaline rushing you is meaty, to make the numbers up to par (pve-wise) this talent is needed to increase their damage against bosses. Taking this is a buff to damage against any target that will last long enough for you to land 12+ SS/RS on (Healers).

Taking less than 3/3 will give you less than 100% so based on the flawed wording does that mean your insight will not yield you the full damage increase or that you'll require more than 4 ss/rs to achieve each stage of insight?

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Eure Fähigkeiten 'Finsterer Stoß' und 'Enthüllender Stoß' gewähren Euch eine Chance von 100%, Einsicht in die Verteidigung des Gegners zu gewinnen, wodurch Euer Schaden gegen dieses Ziel um bis zu 30% erhöht wird. Gegner werden sich dem anpassen, sobald das Maximum erreicht wurde. Ihr könnt immer nur Einsicht in die Verteidigung eines Gegners gleichzeitig haben.

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