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评论来自
Sebas
I don't have the ability to test this skill myself, but I'm pretty sure it will be a huge help to Envenom and Mutilate users...only 20 energy is also very convenient!
评论来自
318
Actually, the energy used is entirely dependent on the speed of the offhand.
20+(10*weapon speed) = Energy consumption
So, with a 1.8 speed offhand:
20+(10*1.8)= 38 energy
评论来自
darkarsenic
Why use deadly poison and shiv for envenom? lets say that it takes 3 shivs to get 5 deadly poison on the target (the other 2 by melee hits). Max rank of deadly poison does 180 an app, and it'll take 3 seconds to do 45 damage. Let's say it takes 5 seconds to get all 5 charges on the target, so it can do about 200 dmg? And with envenom it'll do 900 damage. Now 3 shivs with instant poison thats 146-194. That's about 450 damage minimum, and you can still rupture or eviserate. If we make the procs the same (5 charges) thats 750 damage, not including whatever else you want to do. The thing about envenom is that it clears all the deadly poison, and it doesn't have time to do its full duration (unless you somehow get 5 charges within a fraction of a second), and using instant poison (or wounding) makes it so you have more control.
评论来自
23617
This move is much more useful than most people realize.
Every rogue can use Shiv for utility. You have the option to instantly apply the poison of your chioice instead of having to wait for it to proc from auto-attacks. A nice option to have when necessary. But, it goes beyond that...
Think about a Hemmorage spec. Beginning rogues look at Hemo, and they see the "increased physical damage" part... without realizing that the real power of Hemo is that it is an instant attack, costs only 35 energy, and gives a combo point. You spec Hemo, and it becomes your main attack.
Now there's a new spec going around-- Shiv Swords.
I met a fellow rogue the other day who was dual-wielding Revengers:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/item=28311
I asked him about the proc rate, and he said it was not great, but decent, like a Crusader proc. Then he went on to tell me about his spec-- he had Instant Poison on both, and he was using Shiv as his main attack! Revenger has a speed of 1.5, so Shiv costs only 35 energy, adds a combo point, and deals physical damage as well as the poison damage which is unmitigated by armor.
Here's an example of a Shiv spec:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/talent=fhxboyZGMEz0Vzx0Got
This spec has the fast combo point generation of a Hemo spec, as well as a large amount of unmitigated damage from your poisons. With Combat Potency, every Shiv has a 20% chance to restore 15 energy. Over time (like on a boss fight) that's an average of 3 energy returned per Shiv, so in a way you could say it's only costing you 32 energy. That makes a HUGE difference.
There are 2 disadvantages to this spec. The first and most important is that it is HIGHLY dependant on itemization. Just like Hemo requires a really slow weapon to be viable, Shiv requires a really fast one. If you don't have a 1.5 speed or faster sword, fist, or mace to put in your off-hand, it's generally not worth it. (Why not a dagger? Remember that daggers are normalized so that all instant attacks with them count as if they were 1.7 speed, and all other one-handers are normalized at 2.4 speed.) The other disadvantage is poison immune mobs. Elementals (not plants, but the earth/air/fire/water ones) are often immune to poison, and that takes away a good chunk of your damage. You can Sinister Strike your way through these fights and still be okay.
ADVANTAGES:
High CP generation
Ridiculous energy regen
Unmitigated poison damage
DISADVANTAGES:
Highly dependant on itemization
DPS drops significantly on poison-immune mobs
Must always have poisons on hand and apply them often
Try it out, you just might like it. ^_^
评论来自
darrius
I don't know what you guys are doing but shiv can do extreme damage. Instead of spamming SS or hemo then using eviscerate or garrote as a finishing move, try spamming shiv and envenom as a finishing move. Apply deadly poison to ur offhand and get 5 stacks on the target, then use envenom w/ 5 CP. i get up to 6-700 with shiv and up to 2800 with envenom.
Against tank like NPCs that is more than a rogue will ever get. Against casters it is not as useful as the NPC is usually dead by the time u have stacked 5 poisons. for bosses it much for energy efficient and keeps damage constant rather than have 3-4 secs down time when u are low on energy since even if u cant envenom ur poisons are still affecting the target.
The only problem arises when targets resist :)
评论来自
alkazor
Shiv is great, but relying for it completely isnt the greatest idea. I've tried it as main source of attack and it works great on high armor targets, but on clothies hemo/ss/bs/mute are far better dps.
Shiv on plate, hemo/ss/bs/mute on low armor.
评论来自
28768
Isn't this a great way to get poisons applied on a target, so you can get the +50% damage bonus from mutilate?
评论来自
Siba
The bug with Shiv makes shamans QQ. Makes the poison immune to cleansing/removal/abolish.
评论来自
18754
May have missed it stated above, but I dont think its there.
Shiv can be used when you are main hand disarmed - this is extreemly useful in pvp against warriors or against certain bosses/mobs that can disarm you.
You can keep attacking and generate points whilst disarmed - very nice!
评论来自
9085
yes,uncritted shiv can do about 350 for me(instant poison and normal damage) and flies off about 3 times faster than backstab(combat potency helps that),crits for about 550. I do about the same damage as a backstab rogue with their high crit(55% or so average with the talent to increase it),BUT,I also get 3 times as many combo points. This is extremely,EXTREMELY good in arena for throwing kidney shots,eviscerates and slice and dices. By the time a backstab rogue has the combo points for a full eviscerate,I can get a full eviscerate off,a full kidney shot off,and be starting on and coming through with my combo points for a slice and dice.
Also,if your fighting casters in arena,this messes with their casting by hitting them more often than normal,and unless they have a good resistance to interuption,it will hurt their casting bad.
NOTE:even though I said I attack 3 times faster,that is just yellow damage.This is useful for getting combo points together to quickly get off a slice and dice in arena for your white damage though.
I have one question though,does the poison application from shiv go through blade furry and jump if it causes instant damage. To me it appears that it does,just need someone else's opinion.
评论来自
Pingone
Great for those arena fights when you dont have a mortal strike warrior, just shiv to keep 5 stacks of wound poison applied on the target.
评论来自
brock
Have any of you ever seen Shiv blocked, dodged or parried? I've been watching closely and have not seen any shivs mitigated that way. This (possible)hidden bonus adds a lot to shiv's utility. I'll do more testing and get back
评论来自
46812
This is great to gain more control.
Just put Crippling Poison on your OH and you have a skill like Hamstring!
评论来自
27843
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet, but shiv is excellent for facing other rogues. Shiv is a non-dodgeable attack, so if youre fighting a rogue that has evasion on, spam away with shiv, you'll soon work up enough combo points to hit em with a 5 point finisher (my pref is kidney shot, becausei have combat potency)
评论来自
27843
<A response to Warhead's comment "You might want to try this..."> Since for some reason, the reply button didnt work.
While in theory, this idea sounds great, it does not work in practice. When you change/equip a weapon (in combat or not), a global 2 second cooldown is triggered. Therefore, this "instant" rogue hamstring would actually take over 4 seconds to use, and get back to your regular weapon. While this global cooldown is up, you cannot use any of your other abilities. You're better off just using your normal weapon.
评论来自
arkstok
i have a question, if i have a Weapon that has his Own Poison Ability and i put one of my Poisons on it, Shiv will Put the 2 Poisons on the Target? or just one?
评论来自
46602
I never seen dodged/parryed shiv(use it a lot as rogue). Also its awesome melee attack after being disarmed against warriors or rogues. And ofc nice attack after opening with cheap shot or garrote (becouse of 100% chance of poisoning the target).
评论来自
111316
As a Combat Dagger Spec rogue i can say using shiv than SS is better.I have 2 reasons.First you deal part physical part nature dmg.Second its much cheaper than SS since with a dagger (me with the gladiator shiv i spend 34 energy).
评论来自
Corbon
Many Arena Rogues have a weapon chain attached to their offhand, making this point irrelevant. But what's the better option in PvE, Rupture or Shiv+Envenom? Since the initial Shiv costs about as much as a Hemo Strike, it probably bogs down to the question whether the probably higher (?) damage of Envenom over Rupture makes up for it.
Side note: AFAIK most if not all mobs who are immune vs bleeding are also immune vs poison (skeletons, mechanical constructs, elementals, etc.)
评论来自
Darthius
Can anyone tell me if there is any reason why Shiv wouldn't work on Elites ?
After reaching lvl70 I went back to take on the lvl68 elites in Nagrand, working on the assumption I could get crippling poison on the mob and strafe away/bandage etc., but for some reason it didn't work ?
I tried it on 4 Elites in the area with the same result...
Thanks in advance if anyone can help me out..!
评论来自
137072
Starting with patch 2.4 rogues can expect to see Shiv being dodged, parried, etc. as apparently its supposed to have been like that since its inception.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=5282311325&postId=52354911919&sid=1#314
And for those who don't like having to click links for more info I'll quote the blue post from Hortus that the link references:
I've spoken with the devs and shiv not being missed or dodged is a bug and was never intended. The changes to the combat log revealed some problems with how this spell is coded and it is being worked on.
评论来自
Jelaku
A good tip with shiv:
MH: wound
OH: crip
In a pvp situation such as arenas you want to snare your target immediately, and do so by first shiving your target. After this, with a macro have it switch your MH and OH, and then stack up to 5 wounds with more shivs. This will allow you to gain the 5stack wound poison much faster, and then switch back to cripple when necessary, although it is ideal if you have two fast OH weapons (one kept in your inventory) for this as obviously if you are a hemo spec you don't want to have the fast OH in your MH slot. This is a technique used by many rogues in higher brackets (AKA: the ones who are good).
评论来自
112840
I would just like to to point out that Shiv can still not be dodged.
评论来自
jadoc
question. if you are mace spec, with maces in both hands (which means mace in the OH), and you use shiv, can that proc the mace spec since its performing an OH attack? i was wondering cause if it could i figure that using shiv as a main attack wouldnt be so bad if it could proc the stun more often
评论来自
DoomFist
is it possible to make macro to change off-hand daggers for example 3 daggers each of them has diffrent poison and you can use that macro to apply every poison on target. Anyone know what that macro is?
评论来自
Gravess
See:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=40507
评论来自
catheryna
There seems to be an issue as of 3.1.1 where Shiv does not always apply offhand deadly poison when opening from stealth. Confirmed as "we are aware of the issue" by Blizz support.
评论来自
2087
...
This spec has the fast combo point generation of a Hemo spec, as well as a large amount of unmitigated damage from your poisons.
With Combat Potency, every Shiv has a 20% chance to restore 15 energy. Over time (like on a boss fight) that's an average of 3 energy returned per Shiv, so in a way you could say it's only costing you 32 energy.
That makes a HUGE difference.
...
ADVANTAGES:
High CP generation
Ridiculous energy regen
Unmitigated poison damage
...
The statements italicized above are no longer true. No one seems to have mentioned it on this page, so I'm going to throw it out there in case anyone who is not aware tries to follow this now outdated advice.
Patch
3.0.3
: "•
Combat Potency
: Now only works with auto attacks (no more Shiv.)" This is fairly obvious when you read the Combat Potency tooltip, but just in case of anyone being unclear: Shiv cannot proc Combat Potency.
评论来自
davidthemonkey
Tip: Have multiple fast offhand weapons in your inventory each with a different poison on.
Make a macro of:
/Equipslot 17 (name of weapon)
/cast Shiv
Set the macro name and picture to that of the poison that is on the weapon.
Use these to quickly apply an array of poisons on your opponent (crippling, mind numbing, wound for example).
Very useful for arenas.
Make sure you have a macro to re-equip your normal offhand.
Slightly altered from ''Fiveshot''s video on youtube. (awesome pvp rogue)
Have fun,
Bestbefore (Spinebreaker EU)
评论来自
Zepherblade
Yes, i can see Shiv being situational, but other than that, its a side tool. Its weak; very weak.
Also, using it to gain straight 5 CP's is pointless. Mutilate is so much better at doing that.
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Lets do some math, eh?
Lets just say 35 energy for shiv. 55 energy for Mutilate. (YOU SHOULD HAVE MUT GLYPH IF SPECCED MUT!)
35 energy X 5 = 175 energy for 5 CP's. Look at that number......wow.
Now, Mutilate gives 2 Cps a shot. So, since 5 isnt divisible by 2, we'll try 4 CP's. Dont worry, Im going somewhere with this.
55 energy X 2 = 110 energy for 4 CP's. Geez, pop ANOTHER mutilate, adding 55 more energy and you got a Grand Total of 165 energy used! Extreme damage compared to Shiving and more energy efficient too!
But wait, the Seal Fate 5/5 talent give another CP when crit, so say Mutilate crits, you have 5 CP's for 110 energy!
175 - 110 = 65 energy gain. Use that extra energy gain to hit Eviscerate!
Therefore, Shiv is situational :)
评论来自
jerald
Shiv plays a big role with the new changes for 3.2.2, unless they are changed before it goes live.
The new Master Poisoner talent will cause Envenom to not remove DP. Hook up your LPC (or other cheap fast dagger) with DP, and IP on both of your main daggers. Swap out your OH for your LPC every 12 seconds to refresh DP, and then swap back to your normal OH.
Keep DP up at all times, and IP on both daggers? Its a beautiful thing.
评论来自
Rattja
This sweet little tool has another use for me, that none of you have yet to mention.
After some extencive testing with my combat setup and poisons I landed on wound / deadly. The deadly will beat out the wound poison with quite a bit as long as you keep it up at all times. For those who pay attention you will notice that sometimes even a relative fast weapon, like a 1.6 sword, can go 12 sec without re-applying, meaning you loose a 5x stack and have to start over.
If you keep track of the timer, and refresh manualy with shiv whenever it hits 3-4 sec left it will always be up.
You also gain a combo point, thus not loosing much for skipping a sinister.
100% uptime, more then makes up for the dps loss of skipping a sinister now and then.
评论来自
324131
3.3
When deadly poison procs, your poison in your other hand will also proc.
Sorta curious to see what will happen on a dummy in this case, especially with a 1.50 or 1.40 dagger/axe/sword/mace.
Doubt it'll amount to anything, but it'll be entertaining testing it.
On another note, this could be a serious buff in pvp, having crip, mind, and wound all proc at once.
评论来自
Mastrcapn
As of Cataclysm, this ability will dispel Enrage effects.
It's a handy new tool!
EDIT: It also doesn't appear to cost more energy with slower weapons now, a baseline 20 energy. This could make for some interesting Shiv-based builds with high combo point generation, spamming many finishers.
评论来自
682746
Modified in patch 4.0.1, now also removes an Enrage effect from the target making up for the loss of
Anesthetic Poison
.
评论来自
Ganbantein
With the new Dispel Enrage effect that shiv has, it can remove Vengance from a prot warrior, which is a Prot's main damage source
评论来自
700792
Thinking about making a shiv combat spec but not sure on a few things, hoping sum1 knows the answers.
1- Shiv indicates that the poison that it applies cannot b a crit. So if u are shiving with deadly poison and instant on main hand, once u get 5stacks of deadly shiv will start applying instant from main hand. Than can the instant from main hand crit from the shiv procs?
2- Main gauche proc's from offhand attacks, so and shiv attack proc main gauche?
评论来自
Nerxes
Shiv is seen at it's best in Reckful 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aU8pOwuqt3k&feature=player_embedded
评论来自
86185
For a list of dispellable player enrages:
go here
评论来自
TwilightImp
I never played a rogue, But i have a question, Does Shiv do damage ? Since it puts your off-hand weapon's poison.
评论来自
671830
In mop Shiv will also "applying a concentrated form of your active Non-Lethal poison."
The effect is as listed, but subject to change in Beta : )
Crippling Poison
– Reduces the target’s speed by 70% for 12 seconds.
Mind-Numbing Poison
– Increases the casting time of an enemy's next spellcast within 8 seconds by 100%.
Wound Poison
– Reduces the target’s healing received by 50% for 6 seconds.
Leeching Poison
– Instantly restores 5% of the Rogue’s health.
Paralytic Poison
– Roots the target in place for 4 seconds.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Depending on your sword and what kind of poison, this attack skill may very well be even more potent then sinister strike (for combat rogues)
1.40s swords require about 34 energy. Now if you add something like anesthetic or instant poison... the attack of your off-hand sword and the poison will add up to maybe more than sinister strike itself. For 6 less energy, you can expect to spam this quite a bit.
评论来自
Allakhazam
By far the most useful rogue ability if you're unlucky with poisons. An instant 'slow the hell down' attack if you use Cripple Poison quite a bit.
评论来自
Thottbot
I'm quite certain this is how it works:
The energy cost of shiv depends on the speed off your ofhand weapon.
Shiv = (Offhand_Weaponspeed*10) + 20 Energy
Examples:
Blade of Unquenched Thirst
- 1.30 speed
(1.3*10)+20 = 33 Energy
High Warlord's Blade
- 2.90 speed
(2.9*10)+20 = 49 Energy
Since the fastest weapons known in WoW are 1.3 speed and the slowest are 2.9 speed, the tooltip at the wow site states 33-49 energy.
评论来自
Thottbot
why use deadly poison and shiv for envenom? lets say that it takes 3 shivs to get 5 deadly poison on the target(the other 2 by melee hits)
max rank of deadly poison does 180 an app, and it'll takes 3 seconds to do 45 damage. lets say it takes 5 seconds to get all 5 charges on the target, so it can do about 200 dmg? and with envenom it'll do 900 damage.
now 3 shivs with instant poison thats 146-194. thats about 450 damage minimum, and you can still rupture or eviserate. if we make the procs the same(5 charges) thats 750 damage, not including whatever else you want to do.
the thing about envenom is that it clears all the deadly poison, and it doesn't have time to do its full duration(unless you somehow get 5 charges within a fraction of a second), and using instant poison(or wounding) makes it so you have more control.
评论来自
Thottbot
Anyone know if having slice and dice, blade flurry, or berserking reduces the energy requirements for shiv? If its based on weapon speed, those abilities reduce your weapon speed...
评论来自
Thottbot
My wonder is does this do weapon damage as well? if so then it would be stronger than SS with the top rank of instant poison, adding an extra 146 to 194 instead of SS's 98 extra damage. And it could actually cost less Energy than SS. Of course a faster weapon means less base damage thus a weaker attack, so I'll really have to wait and see.
评论来自
Thottbot
I was thinking of this spec
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/rogue/talents.html?3043201205000000000003052052020055100200210510000000000000000000000
with a 1.3 mace off hand and instant poison on it
if you have another mace mainhand you could basically go crazy
SnD+Bladefury(+beserking if troll)=really fast hits
Combat Potency+Adrenaline Rush+Relentless Strikes=Lots of energy
those +shiv+Vile Poisons on a 1.3 mace=lots of hits+damage
mace spec+blade twisting(+stun metagem if you can)=chance to add status effects each hit
I think this could be a good spec for the arena, it gives a huge amount of burst power across 2 enemies with a good chance to stun them and hold them in place(esp. with crip poison on main hand).
What do you guys think?
评论来自
Thottbot
With Mutilate spec you've to use slow OH, so Shiv is seems to be useless... Till u get macros and any fast waepon. Here you are(4,8 = last left bag(counts from right to left), 8th slot(counts from left to right)):
Replace Mutilate button with this macro:
/script local CHI=CursorHasItem; if(IsEquippedItem("Warp Splinter's Thorn") and not CHI()) then PickupInventoryItem(17); if (CHI()) then PickupContainerItem(4,8); end end
/cast Mutilate(Rank 4);
And the Shiv one with:
/script local CHI=CursorHasItem; if(not IsEquippedItem("Warp Splinter's Thorn") and not CHI())then PickupInventoryItem(17); if (CHI()) then PickupContainerItem(4,8); end end
/cast Shiv;
You'll have to wait approx 1 sec for macro to change weapon if needed, then you can use ability(game'll send you an error massage "This ability is not ready yet", then just click button 1 more time(or just spam it, whatever) and ability will be used). So now what we've got: you spend only 33 energy for 1 CP/1 Deadly Poison dose(happens with Mutilate spec when you need 1 CP to get full CPs and you don't wanna wait for 60 energy)with Shiv, and get full DMG with Mutilate. Enjoy till Blizzard didn't nerfed macros again. And yes, Shiv crits, so you can get 2 CPs from it with Mutilate spec.
UPDATE: edited macros; deleted some @#$% I wrote being sleepy. :S
评论来自
Thottbot
ok, i think blizz did alright with the new rogue abilities. asas rogues got envenom *poison finishing move* combat rogues got shiv *combat rogues do steady dps with offhand and mainhand* but uh... what did sub rogues get? (i play an asas rogue as of now) btw, i think deadly throw is an overall attack no spec thing lol.
评论来自
Thottbot
Does anyone think that having a macro that puts a really fast weapon in your off hand,casts shiv,and equips your old weapon back would be really good?
评论来自
Thottbot
You can use this skill when you are disarmed, as only your main hand is affected. It joins Kick as the only such skills.
评论来自
Thottbot
pretty cheap considering that endgame crippling poison slows people down by 70% with this others won't have much of a chance of getting away. jeez -70%speed on the I chop you up class that also has cloak of shadows ...a bit crazy
also u can stack ur deadly poison with this
and of course envenom and mutilate use this
评论来自
Thottbot
I love this! I use it like hemmorhage, easy combo points.
评论来自
Thottbot
Ok to get this straight some 1 said that deadly poisons arnt that good... Im a 70 assassination rogue.... i get my talents to increase poison damage and envenom... its extremly usefull against high armored people or mobs... on a normal person with over 10k armor with a evisc crit i hit maye 1500... thats on a plate but on envenom i get atleast 3k+ everytime i crit an since i have cold blood... warriors beware :)
评论来自
Thottbot
I used my combat friend's spec 20/41/0 and his data values for Big bad wolf's paw (2.5 speed 434-567 dmg with atp) and his Gladiator's Ripper (1.5 speed 197-260 dmg) for these values.
Dmg. used for calculations includes posions with the talent "vile poisons" and talent "dual wield specialization"
SS= 500.5 Avr.dmg + 98 = 598.5 with a cost of 40 energy (imp SS)
Shiv= 228.5 Avr.dmg + 204 Avr.dmg instant poison= 432.5 with a cost of 35 energy
If you break that down at dmg per point of energy
SS= 14.964
Shiv= 12.357
The only uses I see for shiv are for continuing a deadly poison timer that is about to expire, or to add an instant crippling poison in PvP. However, if the enemy was high armored (plate), the dmg of the poison in the offhand may be able to outway the reduced white dmg from the mainhand and offhand.
评论来自
Thottbot
lol
评论来自
Thottbot
Eh, it is good for guarunteeing a poison proc, won't replace SS or Hemorrhage though
评论来自
Thottbot
After switching my spec to Mutilate, I have done away with Sinister Strike alltogether. After getting used to it, I have found it to be a perfectly acceptable substitute for Sinister Strike.
It complements the play style associated with a Mutilate Rogue. For getting that one extra combo point, it's great. For keeping a target poisoned so you can get a Mutilate damage bonus it's very handy. And it allows you to get 5 point envenoms far more easily.
With a Mutilate spec you want to keep your target poisoned (for the damage bonus) and rapidly generate combo points (with 5/5 Seal Fate). Shiv helps you accomplish just that.
评论来自
Thottbot
Shiv: Best skill for a fast weapon combat rogue.
With
Combat Potency
, allows you chance to regain +15 energy with a successful OH attack, this included.
With 2 very fast weapons, you also have more chances to apply poison, crit, and with
Blade Twisting
, afflicting a mob with daze.
With
Anasthetic Poison
, a noticable portion of your damage will be from poisons, so you will rarely notice yourself doing threat higher than 75% of the tank.
My build is 20/41/0 Combat rogue, with improved Backstab. I usually open with a cheap shot, then slice & dice, start using shiv madly, and the amount of energy regain from Combat Potency is enough to allow me to not worry about energy. If I need to burst, I will hit Adrenaline Rush, then go Backstab crazy. I usually end up #1 on the dps charts in AV, and always holding 25% or more in Kara, so I would say
this is a VERY suitable alternative to Sinister Strike.
Only flaw: If mobs are immune to poison, your dps will drop. Switch back to Sinister Strike, put Sharpening stones on your wep, and go Backstab Crazy on the mob to maintain DPS.
Sorry for the long post, this is just the most useful dagger rogue attack in the game, IMO.
In Summary:
Only useful for a rogue who has 2 weapons that are fast, which would make SS and Hemo worthless, due to no top end. Applying anasthetic poison will make threat generation non-problematic, and the amount of energy recovered from very fast weapons will be enough to consider this equal to a 2.70/1.60 sword build.
评论来自
Thottbot
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评论来自
Thottbot
Combat Potency makes Shiv a viable attack to replace SS. Not for damage per hit perhaps, but for CP generation, energy management and finishing moves.
Let's assume our rogue has +hit gear, Precision and the other Combat talents that add to that. And of course Combat Potency.
Now he/she has gone for Shiv rather than SS, so instead of cheaper SS the choice has been Improved SnD. The reason for this I will come to later.
The Rogue also has a 1.3 dagger in offhand (1.4 is perfectly acceptable as well). That makes for 3 Shivs to 100 energy.
Our stealthy friend starts out with a Shiv (hey we are in a sandbox environment) in the time the cooldown is finished the rogue has hit with perhaps three offhand attacks (instant Shiv, first offhand and right before cooldown second offhand). If lucky that will generate 15 energy (in fact more often than not it will).
Then the rogue slams SnD from the single CP. That is 30% speedbonus for 13 secs, more than enough for the time being. This of course increases offhand speed to 0.91, so we have another offhand attack in before the next cooldown is over. We have by now spent 58 energy, but we have also recieved 20 energy from regeneration and likely another 15 from Combat Potency. 23 energy spent and we are halfway to the next tick. So we spend another Shiv and get another offhand attack, and in all spend another 13 energy (regen ticks during cooldown). Next time we get about two offhand attacks and we should by then have recieved another Combat Potency proc (but perhaps not).
I think you can see where it is going.
It is an extremely low usage of energy for considerable damage. Whatever poison, it is fast, personally I think Instant would work best.
I think that this is very much a worthwhile venture, at least to try it out properly.
评论来自
Thottbot
shiv spams really validate maxing out blade twisting. 20% chance to daze for 8 seconds really beats poison as daze cannot be dispelled, resisted, or immuned altogether. and the flurry of shivs virtually guarantee a twisting proc. This frees up another poison slot and overcomes the non-stacking issue of crippling poison.
评论来自
Thottbot
Can anyone tell me if there is any reason why Shiv wouldn't work on Elites ?
After reaching lvl70 I went back to take on the lvl68 elites in Nagrand, working on the assumption I could get crippling poison on the mob and strafe away/bandage etc., but for some reason it didn't work ?
I tried it on 4 Elites in the area with the same result...
Thanks in advance if anyone can help me out..!
评论来自
Thottbot
u kinda answered your own question there: many elites are immune to poisons and some to fear/stun/other CC effects ;)
链接
毒刃
毒刃
20能量
近战范围
瞬发
需要 潜行者
需要等级 70
需要 近战武器
立即使用副手武器攻击目标,并使其受到你的副手武器所带毒药效果的影响并驱散目标身上的一个激怒效果。慢速武器需要更多能量值。毒刃或其附带的毒药效果都不能爆击。奖励1个连击点数。
魔法增益
法术细节
持续时间
n/a
类型
物理
机制
n/a
驱散类型
n/a
GCD目录
普通
成本
20能量
范围
5码
(作战范围)
施法时间
瞬发
冷却
n/a
GCD
1秒
效果
Dummy
PVP 倍率:1
服务器端脚本
标记
[Is Ability]
形变时无法使用
[Do Not Sheath]
无法躲避、招架或格挡
[Discount Power On Miss]
[Initiate Combat Post-Cast (Enables Auto-Attack)]
无法暴击
[Suppress Caster Procs]
无目标接触
无法不命中
需要副手武器
[No Cast Log]
[Weapon Speed Cost Scaling]
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