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评论来自
Mikezila
This is really nice for fighting classes that try to kite you. If you can get a couple sinister strikes off before the blink/hamstring/wingclip/counterattack, you'll have a much easier time getting back ahold of your enemy. It's also nice when you're chasing someone, and daze them before they can get to a group, or to a regen powerup. It's not something that'll totally replace crippling poision in PvE, but for PvP, I now use Deadly Poison, and haven't had the Dazed effect fail on me when I needed it. Not a bad way to spend two talent points.
It's also worth noting that you can't break Daze like you can break other things, like traps or crip. poison. This is the almighty daze, and nothing short of a Divine Shield breaks it. So even if they're a class that can decurse, they can't break it, giving you that much more time to beat on them.
评论来自
37560
Yet the majority of combat rogues with a full 41 or even, 45 points in combat stay away from this ability.
Why would anyone want to use this ability? If you are going to be in a PvP situation, you WILL HAVE to use crippling poison, and with the advent of the new ability; Shiv, there is simply no use for this ability anymore.
Cripple on offhand, I have a snare ON DEMAND. You trinket, if I react fast enough, I will Shiv you and you're back on square one, there is simply no more "luck" involved. At the start of a fight, even if you have nature resist totem, I will Shiv you, and I will keep Shivving you until my cripple goes on, there is no luck involved, I won't "proc" a poison and have it resisted now.
Cripple lasts 12 seconds, this only lasts 8. Cripple slows movement by 70%, Daze slows only by 50%
20% for a proc on sinister strike. 100% for me to apply cripple through shiv.
There is quite a world of difference in effectiveness.
评论来自
kuonji
Might I bring your attention to the following abilities?:
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=34120
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=30324
评论来自
BoddAH
Can anyone who actually tried this please post if this is like a real PvE daze (nothing but Divine Shield/BoP/Iceblock... can remove it)
or like other crappy PvP dazes (Blast Wave, Piercing Howl...) and removable by BoF, Vanish, Shapeshifting...
It makes a HUGE difference, one of the things I have the most problems with as a Rogue are guys kiting me with BoF or Druids running away by shapeshifing, despite Crippling Poison. If all these things don't remove the proc I might consider speccing for it over Nerves of Steel since I'm not a l33t 30% stun resist Orc Rogue. If they do it's just a weaker and unreliable version of Crippling Poison (with the only difference it's not dispellable but still not worth it.)
评论来自
63375
Does this cause mounted people to dismount?
评论来自
113880
also this is great ability against runners in pve and pvp and who told that 120 % slow effect is bad :D ( if stackable ^^)
also great improvment of ur friends (hunters , wariors ) dmg
评论来自
tekneek03
anybody know if shapeshifting removes this debuff?
评论来自
150237
Question: Does this stack w/ Crippling Poison?
评论来自
143611
"increases the damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%"- whoah, it's a huge boost:D
unfortunatelly, seems blizz wants us to use the most boring spec...
评论来自
223192
so when did this get changed. I went to respec outa sub the other day and i guess they hot fixed it?....never noticed the damage multiplier on there outside of beta trees online. no mention in any patch notes at all so i'm guessing it was just a hot fix.
评论来自
158973
Does the "blade twisting" effect have diminishing returns?
评论来自
blabla
Does "damaging melee attacks" refer to normal melee attacks or abilities?
评论来自
1771
With TB I can use deadly in my OH and use envenom.
I totally own at the moment.
评论来自
238760
is the "increases the damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%" old or something because i didnt see it live. or are they going to eventually make it live?
评论来自
Cross88
I'd also like to point out that in combat, the dazed effect can provide a good opportunity to step back out of their range. You only need a few seconds to let your energy bar completely regenerate.
评论来自
288335
Get ready to see alot of 'immune' spam when you raid as combat. :)
评论来自
matoh
why everyone only discussing Dazed part of this talent,,?
it also has "Increased damage dealt by Sinister Strike and Backstab by 10%"
评论来自
132251
Does this spell increase the bonus damage or the total damage of sinister strike?
评论来自
211544
In cataclysm beta,it's now a 40% to any melee attacks to Daze for 70% for 8 seconds.
Looks like they want crippling out of Combat Rogue's System.
Hooray for choices!
评论来自
104555
So pretty much the only PvP spec that needed crippling is sub now.
Guess again
评论来自
Thottbot
I took this as a filler, but i fail to see its use as
crippeling poison rank 1 is much better
other than the fact that it can be reisted i dont see the point.. and 20% on a few bread and butter abilties isnt much
评论来自
Thottbot
Druids can't shift out of Daze. If you have this talent there's no need to spam Shiv on druids except at the beginning. Shiv can Daze.
Druids have
Cure Poison
and
Abolish Poison
(which is Cure Poison in DoT form.) Shaman also have Cure Poison. These can be cast on other players.
My point is the cleverer ones will be hard to pin down, and that's where this talent comes in. I would say it's primarily anti-druid along with being useful in general -- not having to rely so heavily on Shiv.
评论来自
Thottbot
Yes, Blade Twisting have its moments in PVP. First, if you just don't use cripplin poison, its nice. But even if you do, players allways tend to cure poison or use some trinket to take away, the slowing effect. Wtih Blade Twisting they have another problem on their hands.
评论来自
Thottbot
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=34120
评论来自
Thottbot
Its great for ganking, mages and druids are hard to catch to due blink and travel form. If you like to gank.. Its a great tool.
评论来自
Thottbot
in pvp, you mainly want your enemy to move as little as possible. take a combat mace rogue with crippling poison and blade twisting. thats some simple but VERY serious stopping power right there.
blade twisting could have a couple of uses in pve too - for example when it procs you can run away and regain your full energy for another burst attack. helpfull when soloing elites.
though - i dont recommend it if youre purely pve oriented - you should be able to find a better use for 2 talent points.
评论来自
Thottbot
Sorry for the stupid question... but if you attack the target while it is dazed... does the attack break the daze?
评论来自
Thottbot
No... that's why I'm asking.. I am a new player.. sorry.. just trying to collect some info for my build...
评论来自
Thottbot
Yeah what exactly is daze - slow movement speed, slow attack speed, slow in general? you can still move while dazed, and i'm not sure if it affects your attack rate/haste?
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利刃漩涡
利刃漩涡
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需要 潜行者
需要 近战武器
使你的伤害性近战攻击有40%的几率令目标眩晕,使其移动速度降低70%,持续8 sec。
(特效触发几率:40%)
魔法增益
法术细节
持续时间
n/a
类型
物理
机制
n/a
驱散类型
n/a
GCD目录
n/a
成本
无
范围
0码
(自身)
施法时间
瞬发
冷却
n/a
GCD
0秒
光环触发几率
40%
效果
Apply Aura:Proc Trigger Spell
PVP 倍率:1
利刃漩涡
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