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评论来自
Carighan
The new Felguard DS buff is interesting. It's a 66%/66% combination of both Succubus and Felhunter. Unless the threat from the manaregen is problematic, I suspect it will be the best Raid-DS buff.
Although, that again poses the question as to why a Demonology-Warlock would DS his Felguard without being tortured into it :)
Only thing I can think of is when you see the pet is dying anyways, quickly hit it, then run without for 30 minutes, then get the next. Cheapest way to field a lot of power, I guess.
Anyways, all 5 effects seem useful. Imp and Succubus are self-explanatory and crucial for 21-offspec Warlocks. Voidwalker is nerfed to 2%, but with the insane HP coming down will still be very strong (although not overshadowing the other DS buffs as much anymore).
Felhunter DS is finally useful (2% mana vs 3% HP before was a clear win for the HP, now it's more balanced), although a tough decision between Felhunter and Felguard.
Felguard seems majorly Raid-based. I would be interested in first-hand testing between Felhunter- and Felguard-DS, tbh...
评论来自
6460
I suspect that the only reason one would want to sac a Felguard would be if it was near death and/or you needed to enslave another demon you were fighting.
If you sac a pet then enslave a demon via spell, does that break your DS buff?
评论来自
raventears
Demonic Sacrifice is very nice for a raiding build, if you are able to juggle the soul shards and not be dependant on having your imp out for the Main Tank or others.
The imp and succubus sacrifices, which add 15% to fire/shadow damage are very nice and versatile when needed with certain fights.
In MC where most mobs are fire resistant, the sacced succubus and 15% to shadow damage is nice there with shadowbolts (instead of Shadow Mastery's 10% to shadow damage). On the core hound and imp packs, the 15% to fire damage is very nice with Rain of Fire.
The health regen is nice within certain situations, like soloing. Tanking with the voidwalker, you draw aggro, take damage, but kill the mob, and then sacc to help regen. The felhunter mana regen is useless with Life Tap.
The felguard, in my opinion, seems alright for certain tight situations in PvP, but otherwise not as good as the other sacrifices.
评论来自
7987
if you have a full DT or felguard build, DS is no longer a good raiding option as you do more damage with your pet out that with sacrificing it (even with succubus sacrifice you get much more if you don't sacrifice her than if you do). Now only a token talent for "emergencies and special occasions"
评论来自
gefthi
Voidwalker DS along with points to reach Shadow Mastery is the best grinding build. You constantly regen life that you loose when you life tap or drain tanking.
评论来自
8888_
Great grinding techniques include Demonic Sacrifice, with the Voidwalker insane health regen.
评论来自
24712
Great spell for giving yourself a little boost when grinding in demon infested areas. Sac the demon of your choice and Enslave one of the local demons and use it to beat on surrounding mobs. When it breaks just kill it and get another one.
Excellent grinding spell.
评论来自
frmorrison
I am not sure if you can keep the VW sac spell while enslaving a demon, but assume you can. If you have more than 21 talents in demo, you lose MD/SL/Demonic Knowledge.
评论来自
40975
Nerfing Fel Stamina has buried this as a core talent, even with the offset effect of Fel Armor. They'd have done better by simply boosting the other buffs. DS costs you your demon, and more than a few wasted talent points in Demonology. The buffs just don't match that sort of a cost any more, in any situation except raids, where it remains competitive. However, I suspect few of us are willing to sacrifice all of our utility and defence and so many talents when equally viable dps builds exist.
And wouldn't it make more sense to have this as a pre-req for Improved Enslave Demon rather than Soul Link? There's the one situation where you can't possibly argue DS has a clear use.
评论来自
vexis58
Links to the various buffs:
Imp: Burning Wish
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=18789
Voidwalker: Fel Stamina
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=18790
Succubus: Touch of Shadow
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=18791
Felhunter: Fel Energy
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=18792
Felguard: Touch of Shadow
https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/spell=35701
评论来自
86526
Sacrificing a Felguard is useful during encounters that either prevent your Felguard from attacking, include too much AoE damage to reliably keep your Felguard alive, or prevent healers from being able to patch heal you through life taps.
评论来自
57891
Does this stack with improved Imp, VW, Succubus?
评论来自
Enyeez
Sacrifice the Succubus for +15% shadow damage, or, if you have a bit more points in the demonology tree, activate Soul Link get 5% damage (all damage) and +10% damage (all damage) from having the Succubus out.
and you get 20% damage reduction as well.
only downside I see if whenever you take damage your Succubus takes damage, killing her in the end.
I suppose saccing her only benefits the players with just 21 points in Demonology, any thoughts ?
评论来自
34578
Quite correct, except for enslaving an elite demon a Demonologist warlock gains nothing from sacrificing their pet. In fact they lose a great deal, spell damage from pet's STA+INT, 20% damage reduction, the pets considerable utility.
This talent is essentially reserved for the 40-21 Destruction raiding spec, allowing the Warlock to take the vital talent Shadow and Flame and get a 15% shadow damage boost from saccing the Succubus. Much better than the old SM/Ruin spec.
评论来自
163899
A stupid talent IMO. Its good that we're not forced to learn this as a req for soul link anywmore though.
Sacrificing the critguard for a little more dmg, at the cost of a ton of other talents such as demonic knowledge, master demonologist, fel synergy, demonic pact and demonic empathy?
No thanks.
评论来自
223821
Is the buff lost when you summon a doomguard via curse of doom?
评论来自
Urbanmech
With the improved imp talents deep into destro tree... this talent is not as good. I still am boggled at how this skill is useful. I guess its pure PvE
评论来自
Bryrida
Not worth killing a demon for..
评论来自
242035
Fully raid buffed, a Warlock that goes for (ingoring haste, and assuming hit capped) Spellpower > Spellcrit > Spirit > Intellect, should have a mana pool of arround 2.2k.
Felhunter sacrifice, in this environment, translates into 825 Mana/5sec.
If you have Darkmoon Card: Greatness, it translates into 1015 Mana/5sec during the procc.
I don't remeber last time I Life Tap'd while raiding, using glyphed Shadow Bolt spam.
评论来自
veno3
This talent is being removed from the game in 3.1.
评论来自
Robula
3.1 Removes this spell from the Demonology Talent tree. What Blizzard forgot to mention is that this spell is now TRAINABLE.
See your local Warlock Trainer for more details...
评论来自
Draewind
After patch 3.1, this spell is still in my spellbook but when I try to use it I get a "Fizzled" error and nothing happens.
评论来自
163544
This spell was supposed to be completely removed from the game in 3.1.0. However, many warlocks who had the Demonic Sacrifice talent when their talent points were reset kept the spell in their spell book, even though clicking on it just gave you the "Fizzled" error message. As of patch 3.1.2 the spell will be removed from all Warlock spell books permanently.
评论来自
jackpayback
Wow... I used to play WL using the HoT buff by sac'ing the VW. Time changes. One reason why I hate blizzard ^^
评论来自
383852
Such a good talent... too bad they removed it... :( They should at least give people the reason they removed it! As well as the reason for many other talent changes... It used to be part of my leveling way... pfff
评论来自
44780
This was one of the cornerstone talents of the BC top end lock DPS build, 0/21/40, aka the shadowbolt spammer build.
评论来自
Kanariya
This talent is making a comeback in Mists of Pandaria as
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评论来自
Thottbot
now THIS is a cool ability. worth re-specialing just to play with it, in my opinion. have fun!
评论来自
Thottbot
this is just one mroe reason do go demon! :P
great for pvp and pve
评论来自
Thottbot
Does anyone know if the Void buff (3% heal every 4 seconds) causes threat?
Would be kinda sucky if it did.. : /
评论来自
Thottbot
I just don't understand smth. If you sacrifice the VW with Demonic Sacrifice, you get 3% of your hp restored every 4 sec. But if you use Sacrifice, you'll get a shield that absorbs X amount of damage. So if you sacrifice your VW, you get both effects? That would be cool...
评论来自
Thottbot
The demonic sacrifice trick no longer works since the 1.2 patch. Let the weeping begin.
For those who did not know, the trick was 1 of 3 ways:
1. Have a Priest/Druid/Shaman Rez your pet immediatly after you demonic sacrifice it, for Shaman's it is tricky because their cast time is longer but it still worked. Voila you have 15% shadow dmg + 10% spell dmg now with Succubus sacrificed.
2. By far the easiest, Have a priest shield your pet (give them greater detect invisibility if it is imp/succubus) and then you Demonic Sacrifice your pet. The pet loses about half it's life and now you have both buffs. =D
3. Jumper cables. Just like #1, you demonic sacrifice your pet, then rez with jumper cables...but jumper cables hardly work anyways so I considered unreliable.
Gone are the days with Voidwalker, -10% physical dmg, Restoring 3% of total health every 4 seconds, and Soul Link and live forever. A part of me has just died.
=) too bad we still own.
评论来自
Thottbot
Does anyone know if the +15% shadow damage is applied to your DoTs?
评论来自
Thottbot
Can u demonic sacrifice a banished pet succesfully?
评论来自
Thottbot
If sacrifice ur imp that gives 15% more fire damage + Firestone and Curse of Elements.. omfg... Instant kill with Soul Fire... Gl.. My lock rock in BG :P
评论来自
Thottbot
After playing my fully demonology specced warlock for quite some time now I must admit the usefulness of this ability for my build still escapes me... I for one thing have never used it, although did experiment with it.
Essentially one is able to choose from 2 types of 30-minute buffs by using it: 15% increase to only 1 type of damage (shadow or fire) or hp/mana regeneration (plus the combo of both in case of sacrificed felguard). Let's see now what one loses from a full demonology specced warlock, aside the irony of investing heavy talent points in a pet buffing tree only to kill that pet for a temporary buff :).
For one thing we lose Soul Link which reduces 20% of our damage taken while our pet is alive AND increases the damage of BOTH us and our pet by 5%. Second, we lose the scalable damage boost from Demonic Knowledge (scales with Fel Stamina/Intellect effects) that comes from having one's pet alive. Third, we lose the Master Demonologist effect/buff that is automatic and provides a variety of extremely useful effects, such as threat reduction, resistances and also up to 10% increase to ALL damage caused. Not to mention the actual damage/skills/buffs various pets have or provide. The regeneration bonus seems kinda moot because a clever use of drain abilities, coupled with occasional bandage and heals received should provide for almost no downtime in any situation. To conclude, I honestly see no reason for a fully demonology specced warlock to actually kill his cuddly demon for a temporary buff that is most of the time inferior to having the same demon alive and kicking.
When soloing, the benefit of one's demon is the same as with hunter's pet (having endgame chars with both classes) and then some. In a 5 man team 90% of the time i am the only warlock and having the imp out is a must for increased stamina for all AND my invaluable 20% threat reduction, which in combination with pala's BoS goes up to whopping 50% (to all my damage). In raids the situation is usually the same since rarely there are more than one warlock per group. In PVP pets are insanely useful, be it felguard, felhunter or succy, depending on the situation and playstyle. Not to mention one's actual damage output (with succy out plus soul link) is greater than in case of Demonic Sacrifice (due to Demonic Knowledge effect plus ofc pet's own damage). Plus, i honestly can't see myself running around like a mage wannabe with no pet and crying "omfg my dmg roxz0r" while i can't even seduce/debuff/charge my opponent.
Finally, i do see some potential of Demonic Sacrifice, but only for other warlock builds. Namely, an affliction or destruction build would benefit nicely from a 15% bonus to shadow or fire dmg, respectively. However, the said builds would have to forfeit their final tier talent (Unstable Affliction/Shadowfury), which are more than sweet IMO, not to mention any and all additional talents in their respective trees. Having said that, i may respec in the future to experiment with that particular combo, but that is another issue...
评论来自
Thottbot
This would go great with soulfire, for example you used demonic sacrifice on your imp and casted soulfire, it critted 4k, you would do 4600 damage because of the 15% fire damage, depending on your spell damage.
-Hope this helps dont try it if you dont think this is not great idea.
评论来自
Thottbot
I'm just wondering are these bonuses really worth sacrificing your pet?
What kind of situation ppl use this?
I mean for example killing Succubus for +15% shadow dmg. Together we can do more dps than me alone +15% shadow dmg.
I'd would understand this if you could summon another pet and keep the effect, but no.
评论来自
Thottbot
Imo, I put a point in it just because Soul Link requires it. Since locks seldom roam without pets, it's not that much of a help. Also considering you can summon a pet in less than a second even in the middle of a fight (if you're a master summoner and have Fel Domination on), it makes this even more rarely used.
评论来自
Thottbot
The Buffs:
Imp: +15% fire damage
Voidwalker: regenerate 2% of total health every 4 seconds
Succubus: +15% shadow damage
Felhunter: regenerate 3% of total mana every 4 seconds
Felguard: +10% shadow damage and regenerate 2% of total mana every 4 seconds
The Imp, Succubus and Felguard damage buffs not only work with spells but item procs, firestones and bombs. So if you want to go out with a sapper charge dont forget to sacrifice your imp first.
Its a good ability for a 39 twink, but for most other warlocks its uses are limited. If you are fighting against another lock you could sacrifice your demon before it gets banished. Or you could use it to recover your health and mana durring or after a fight. Other than that, I dont know what use it has to a demonology lock.
Some Affliction/Destruction hybrids could do some nasty damage with Sacrifice demon buffs, but would have to pass up the teir 9 talents.
评论来自
Thottbot
this isnt really worth it at 70 nowdays, for raiding anyway. unless you have insane gear to do destruction nukes lol. (imp sac +15% fire dmg) or u just like seeing big crits... but still need good gear, this is what it would look something like
http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/warlock/talents.html?00000000000000000000020500301332101
00000000505000500230510531050
评论来自
Thottbot
Looks like nobody's pointed this out yet, but a mana regen rate of 3%/4sec is ungodly compared to whatever amounts of MP/5 gear you can possibly accumulate. Sorta great considering barely any lock would ever actually sacrifice +dmg or +sta for MP/5 anyway...
I'm thinking this would be useful in raid situations, sac the felhunter and with less frequent tapping (making the healer's job easier I suppose), you will constantly have a big mana pool to spam spells with. I'd definitely never use this in PVP or soloing, but you knew that.
Now if only I didn't have to give up Shadowfury! Oh well.
评论来自
Thottbot
I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this. The buff goes away when a new demon is summoned but not when one is enslaved.
Thus, the point of this spell is to encourage the use of enslaved demons, rather than running around without a pet (though personally, I'd prefer a reduced chance for the demon to break free early).
(second paragraph just edited because I though it sounded stupid)
On a side note, calling an infernal, despite the fact that it's a summon spell, does not cancel the buff, either. Haven't tested with a doomguard yet.
评论来自
Thottbot
How come my spell damage does not show an increase in shadow damage after i have sacrificed my succubus to get the +15% shadow damage bonus..? Anyone have same problem..? I do get the buff but the damage does not show on my character total spelldamage..
评论来自
Thottbot
It does not increase your spell damage. It increases the damage done.
评论来自
Thottbot
correct me if im wrong, ive just started playing with this talent. if i sacrifice the succubus and get 15% more damage, doesnt that give me more health via drain life, and more mana because for a warlock, health = mana? and with siphon life and drain life a warlock just "fuels" up when he/she needs it. and in heroic instances if u take aggro, more than likely u are dead anyways. so i would rather have the spell damage bonus that the succubus gives because in the long run it will equal more heath per 5, which also equals more mana per 5.
评论来自
Thottbot
this spell is excellent for combining destruction. u go demon until u get DS and put the rest into destro (u can get 40 points in destro). in instances and raids u sacrifice ur imp/succy (depending on whether ur fire or shadow destro) and reap the rewards of +15% dmg. the only advantage in keeping ur pet in instances and raids is to have blood pact and keep the imp using phase shift since they'll die so fast in any kind of aoe dmg.
in soloing its not as gd since destro is vry mana intensive but sacrificing a felhunter or VW gives u a nice mps or hps (but for a lock these are almost the same).
评论来自
Allakhazam
can you sac a pet to get the buff, then enslave something while keeping the buff?
评论来自
Allakhazam
Yes
评论来自
Allakhazam
Demonic Sacrifce your pet and then use jumper cables on it, If you are lucky the pet will be rez'd and you will keep the buff. Works great if your spec'd for Master Demonologist too, as you will have both buffs at once.
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