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while the frostbrand damage increase would -very- eventually be ok for a slow 2-hander in pvp environment, the major reason this talent should be taken for the extra use of frost shock, whitch i tend to use a lot in bgs

anyhow precision will be needed as the range of your shocks isn't really spectacular and you only can root from 15yds

if you combine this with shock cd reduce you can root an enemy, and root it again from the moment it's free, while this will not be as usefull for stopping kiters or runners, it's nice cc when you need that extra breathing space to land a heal on yourself

edit = the frostbrand effect has changed, now does extra damage with some core abilities when the target is under frostbrand effect;
this gives this talent also a pve useage; considering the two effects altogether, i know i would still prefer wf or a glyphed ft above frostbrand in pvp for burst, anyhow gief frostbrand glyph and maybe i change my mind

edit2 = seems blizzard didn't intended to use it in pve, as I already convinced myself

Комментарий от 111427

I see a lot of potential in this talent.
It brings back the Enhancement shamen and Frost mage combo back to arena.
Simply because (Shatter) Will work with this talent! As the talent says "Increases the critical strike chance of all your spells against frozen targets by 50%."
What the new talent Frozen power does is that it freezes people in place for 5 secs.
"Frost Shock has a 100% chance to root the target in ice for 5 sec. when used on targets at or further than 15 yards from you."

So iam hoping to see this new combo back in the game.

Комментарий от 144159

I don't understand why they would add more dmg to lightning bolt ect., when enha shamans most of the time wants to be able to cast instant heals, rather than instant LB/CL (for pvp ofc.). the bonus damage makes me think that it could be used for pve, but since slow effects cannot be used on bosses, the 10% more damage cannot be used for that case.

Комментарий от 328113

Interestingly enough, the debuff does infact trigger on bosses, and the damage boost does activate.

Not for long, though. 3.1.1; "The damage bonus of the Frozen Power talent should no longer affect boss creatures."

PvP Enhancement goodies only.

Комментарий от 258092

While the Booming Echoes/Frozen Power build above is a bit bold, I might point out that the more standard Reverberation/Frozen Power setup from a regular enhancement pvp build gives a fun little 5 sec cd/5 sec root w/damage setup. I've been playing around with it and it seems like in solo pve I can just stand at 25 yards range with a Water Shield and a Mana Spring totem (also Flametongue and Strength of Earth -> Mental Quickness if I don't want it to take all night) and plink away with Frost Shocks, dealing ranged damage with no retaliation from a melee or short range mob until it dies. It is pretty fun for right now, although I still kind of wish that every time they made enhancement better, it wasn't by making us more like hunters.

Комментарий от DrakeWurrum

I'm thinking they should swap this talent with Storm, Earth, and Fire. At least insofar as the root effect. Enhancement Shaman will almost always be in melee range of their target/attacker, whereas Elemental Shaman will be intent on keeping people at a distance for their spells. It's more likely that both specs would be able to root their enemy in PvP if the root effects of these talents were swapped.

Think about it. If you're Enhancement, you're either trying to keep the enemy from running, or hoping to root them so you can run away and live. In both cases, you will almost always be in melee range and Frozen Power is useless to you.
If you're Elemental, you have Thunderstorm for knocking enemies back 10 yards. That's not the 15 yards that you need to root them with Frost Shock, but perhaps they could also adjust the numbers of one skill or the other. Even if they don't, it's easier for Elemental to root this way, since it's more likely they'll see the enemy coming from well beyond 15 yards.

It also forces PvP Elemental Shaman to need to decide whether to Flame Shock or Frost Shock, rather than just automatically know to always use Flame.

Комментарий от Tripster

Personally, I'd say the only reason for considering this as an Enhancement shammy would be the root. Who uses Frostbrand anyway? I'd say flametongue for Lava Lash and maybe a windfury.

Комментарий от 178827

Edit: Also, if you play with Frozen Power for a little while, you will notice that it DRs itself into uselessness very quickly in pvp, another good argument for it being intended as a stopgap distance-closer.

It has DR? It's a root effect.

Комментарий от 133375

Has anyone ran the numbers to see if putting WF/FB (with this both points in this talent of course) instead of WF/FT to increase the damage of other spells is more beneficial than the added 25% FT adds to lava lash? Seems to me that lava lash does not do much damage anyway while a 10% increase in Shock and Lightening Bolt would be greater. I use Maelstrom for Lightening bolt about half the time it's available. Or is this meant to be used with FB/FT in which case the 3 talent points in Elemental weapons seem less beneficial. I realize most people see this for the root effect but I am curious about the damage portion.

Edit: Talents would need to be modified to take advantage of the different approach, here is what I was thinking. One more focused on shock benefits from the Frozen Power and one more focused on Windfury.
FB/FT Talents

Windfury Talents

Комментарий от Wildhorn

Personally tested, there is a diminishing return on the root effect.

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