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Commentaire de 70660

This spell gains 85% from spell power instead of usual 43% value like in fireblast.

Commentaire de 64407

At least, it is here! The spell mages need, but don't have! A long-range spell, instant cast, good damage, low or not cooldown. If you think better, we didn't have any such spells. My opinion is that that spell will start a new era of PvP glory for Arcane Mages!

Commentaire de Carighan

This spell is potentially extremely interesting.
It's a nuke (a proper nuke, not an instant nuke), with an "inverse" cast time. The spell is instant, and countered by a 3s cooldown.

This can be compared to a 3s casted spell with no cooldown, especially since the scaling is the same as a 3s cast. Only there's 1.5s free to cast something else.

On the flipside, the spell scales a bit worse than Fire or Frost spells, and costs a lot more mana.

But in any situation where you are forced to move, you can keep up most DPS with Arcane Barrage, which is extremely powerful.

Commentaire de 145385

(I deleted the original post as obsolete)

After some experimentation, the best way to use Arcane Barrage in a PvE dps rotation is as follows:

Spam Arcane Barrage, and fill in the gap created by the 3 second cooldown with Arcane Blast. So basically alternate Arcane Barrage and Arcane Blast. When Missile Barrage procs, replace Arcane Blast in the rotation with Arcane Missiles. You always want to bookend the hasted arcane missiles of a Missile Barrage proc with Arcane Barrage.

Both Arcane Barrage and Arcane Blast have a chance to proc Missile Barrage. Since Arcane Blast has a cast time and Arcane Barrage is an instant, you will release both spells at the same time and each has a 20% chance to proc Missile Barrage. The proc occurs when you RELEASE arcane barrage, NOT when it hits the target. So if it is going to proc from either attack, it procs as the Arcane Barrage is released and the global cooldown starts.

The hasted Arcane Missiles of Missile Barrage is AMAZING dps. For maximum efficiency, you want to use it as soon as possible so that if it procs again, you didn't waste the first proc. The time to recognize that it has procced is inside the global cooldown after Arcane Barrage. So you have less than 1.5 seconds to react to the proc and switch over to Arcane Missiles instead of Arcane Blast, if you want to maximize your dps.

Very good design on Blizzard's part. Makes it so that REACTION SPEED and SKILL actually matter to a mage's dps.

Commentaire de 181858

This is dominant in pvp if you jsut use instants i.e. Fire blast, cone of cold, arcane barage, ice lance, arcane explosion because they will not consume POM which with the new talent gives 30% spell crit while active giving for some monstorous instant critts and if nessecary a huge pyro to finish them off

Example pvp vid using this style

http://warcraftmovies.com/movieview.php?id=84837

Commentaire de 169612

so its just an instant spell with 3 sec CD , its it a little OP ?

Commentaire de 205049

oh great, now all we get to do in pvp is jump around like a moron and spam instants?
whoop...

Commentaire de 214704

What else should people do during the 3 seconds cooldown? The solution is simple, spamming other instant casts and keep on kiting/moving. There is no point in standing still for a 2-3 second cast except on rare occasions!

The fatal flaw of this spell is the 3 second cooldown that encourages this kind of gameplay. There is no reason to spam any other spell, even the spellpower coefficient of this spell rocks, to quote xenjuarn: "This spell gains 85% from spell power instead of usual 43% value like in fireblast."

While I agree on fast casting spells and spell haste being very important for PvP, I cannot say that I like powerful instant casts that also have a very short cooldown.

Commentaire de ranky26

Arcane Barrage actually costs less mana than Fireball; 18% base to 21% base.

Commentaire de 219499

I believe they just changed the Arcane Blast debuff to penalize the mage instead of reward him/her for spamming Arcane Blast to prevent the one-button nuke spec. With that in mind, I'm wondering how an Arcane Blast > Arcane Barrage > Fireball > Repeat rotation would play out.

20 points thrown into fire (3/3 Imp. Scorch and 2 filler points) seems to have potential.

Edit: Arcane Blast still has the increased damage portion, but at a 300% extra mana cost penalty per stack. I'm not sure what mana pools are looking like in beta, but 900% mana cost for a 2.5 second cast sounds a bit extreme to spam.

Commentaire de 78124

Prior to 3.0.2, Arcane Mages had a single spell rotation that could (with 2 pieces of T5) outperform any other similarly geared class in pure DPS:

/Cast Arcane Blast

That was it. Any other spell rotation reduced the amount of damage that a mage could throw out, regardless of how much mana was saved. This of course meant that Arcane Mages ate up their entire mana bars in under a minute, even while chain-drinking mana pots, but for encounters such as the Reliquary of Souls, this mana-intensive spam was ideal.

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Now that 3.0.2 has gone live and the mana-per-second cost of fully de-buffed Arcane Blast has been increased by ~40% (in addition to a slight DPS debuff as well), Arcane Blast spam is no longer a viable option.

However, the advent of Arcane Barrage and Netherwind Presence offers a new spell rotation to Arcane Mages which, although not as powerful as the old 2xT5 AB Spam, is far more mana-efficient:

(1.5s) Arcane Barrage
(1.5s) Arcane Barrage

Since Arcane Missiles and Arcane Blast both recieve additional spell power and damage from talents (not to mention that Barrage Proc'd AM is godly), it only makes sense to use these spells in a fully fledged DPS rotation. Also, because the ABlas debuff now only lasts 3 seconds, an Arcane Mage will only ever use the first, unbuffed and mana-efficient "rank" of ABlas in this rotation.

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Something to note: Arcane Barrage has a 3 second cooldown, not a 3 second cast time. So you would think that spell haste doesn't affect it's power, right? Wrong. Spell haste may not affect the cooldown of Arcane Barrage, but it does affect the Global Cooldown triggered by ABar. The shorter your GCD, the more time you have to squeeze in a few extra milliseconds of spell casting.

Notice how the base ABar GCD (1.5 seconds) and ABlas cast time (2.5 seconds) require a combined total of 4 seconds. Let's say that an obscenely well geared Sunwell mage decides to pull together a spell haste set that increases his spell casting speed by 33% (525 Haste rating, ouch!). His basic spell rotation now looks like...

(1.125 s) Arcane Barrage

At this point, Mr. Sunwell Mage is bucking up against the inherent 3 second cooldown of Arcane Barrage, but he's also DOUBLED the intrinsic damage output of Arcane Barrage alone by being able to throw in a "free" Arcane Blast under the cooldown.

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What's the lesson to be learned from this exercise? Spell Haste is as important to an Arcane Build as Spell Crit is to a Fire Build. Once an Arcane Mage has reached the Spell Hit cap, any other stat is secondary to spell haste. Point for point, not even Spell Power is as valuable.

Of course, Spell Power is itemized more cheaply than spell haste, so it's going to be more abundant on gear than haste, but the point remains that Spell Haste is now an Arcane Mage's primary attribute.

Commentaire de makron

I don't get it, will arcane with this spell be an one button class?
3s cooldown and 85% of spelldamage seems to be the best option, especialy in PvP where you will probably spend the cooldown time by moving or using Fireblast...

Commentaire de 116979

This is the ultimate noob-spell in PVP, I'd never sink so low to spec this.

I am a mage, and I approve of this message.

Commentaire de 134451

This spell makes arcane mages very viable in pvp.
A little too viable, in my opnion.

Commentaire de shibbidydoo

slow+arcane barrage = quite possibly the most op thing in pvp ive seen. something needs to be fixed.

Commentaire de Abomb

tell me if im wrong but it looks like in the talents pyro and arcane barrage do alout the 1k but arcane is instant while pyro is 6 sec cast...

Commentaire de 177617

thats the way how the game could be ruined by simple thinking designers. played some bgs with full arcane spec and came to a conclusion this must be nerfed asap, its not just overpowered its, too damn strong! it s just the degradation of WoW or Blizz is losing their creativity!

Commentaire de withmyrice

Shade of Aran here, would have respecced Arcane but it would be a waste of gold since no one comes here anymore :(

Commentaire de 269315

It's nice to see the Arcane tree get some love after 2 expansions of being more or less useless. In fact, pre BC, the only spell this tree really had was Arcane Missiles. With the addition of Arcane Blast in BC, it made things a little better for the tree having a second DD spell.

However, the thing that confuses me is that in 3.0.2, Blizzard nerfed Arcane Blast because Arcane mages were doing nothing but spamming this spell. So they nerfed it and replaced it with a 51 point talent spell instead? Your logic is flawed developers. Keeping Arcane Blast the way it was pre patch would have been fine, and since mages wouldn't resist the Arcane Barrage spell, it would have broken up the spell rotation.

Commentaire de 161867

This spell is highly OP in PvP. It gains more spellpower than other instant casts and has brutal base damage. The comparison of it to a 3sec cast with no CD is proper one, only that Arcane Barrage cant be interrupted an can be used on the move while the long casts must be cast with great risk to the user. With this mages can literally spam instant casts along with their other arsenal of instants.

It is true though that mages needed more arcane spells, though they really need to extent the CD on this one if they are going to make it so powerful. 8 secs to match their fire blast would work out nicely for their rotation.

Commentaire de danroe

Making a Fireball + Arcane Barrage combo, Frostbolt + Arcane Barrage combo, Pyroblast + Arcane Barrage combo, or even better, Frostfirebolt + Arcane Barrage combo is an eye candy.

I would submit a screenshot but it is very hard to pick the moment. It's as if the "nuke" spell was surrounded by swirling force.

Fellow mages, try it and try to upload screenies!

EDIT: Submited an image of FFB + ABar. Let's see if it gets accepted
EDIT2: Spelling

Commentaire de Darkrainin

Best Build ATM for ABarr>ABlast>Repeat/Fish for Missle Barrage procs

64/7/0

Got Burning Determination instead of Arcane Stability, as i already had Incineration, so it saved me a TP and works for stuff like polymorph, arcane blast, etc.

Commentaire de Elvage

SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMable.

Commentaire de 283389

One of the most OP spell for PvP.

Instant cast,
huge range(for PvP pov),
no or very small CD,
HUGE dmg (propably due to very big coefficient from SP).

All that you need to do is slow and spam Arcane barrage-> Player dead.

The only class that can kill a mage nowdays is propably DKs,
which are also greatly overpowered.

Commentaire de 219697

Ha the Death Knights weakness is a Mage so there is no chance that DK which everyone thinks is so OP which there not. And the best spec is 57-14-0 that is with the added Pyroblast, Impact, and Improved Fire Blast which helps you spam Arc Barrage and Fire Blast. Also this spec lets you choose between Ice and Fire but fire is a good choice since frost does not have a major move like Pyroblast, it just has Icy Veins. Or if you dont want the fire aspect you can choose 14 in frost. ARCANE BARRAGE in moderation = RAPEAGE x10!

O and another thing this is the sequence if you have 57-14-0
* Key Elements to the fight
Pyroblast (5 Sec.) Almost not a good starter if you are dueling Opponent will most likely stun you!
PoM --> Pyroblast (Inst. )
Arcane Barrage (Inst. )
Frost Nova* (Inst. ) or Cone of Cone then Frost Nova
Blink * (Inst. ) because cooldown is a factor
Arc Barrage (Inst. ) allowing time to put more distance between you and your opponent.
At this time everything else is your game... by the time you finish this deadly set your opponent should be runnin low
make SURE you SILENCE you opponents heals or your done... if you see they do that and you running this set put counterspell in there
** Also none of these proc Missle Barrage moves except Arc Barrage
^
**** THESE DO NOT INCLUDE GLYPHS!
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And this is the sequence with57-0-14
*Key Elements to the fight
Not alot changes except the opening
Fireball (3 Sec.) Ok starter still opponent still has chance to stun you so pick your moment like right after a charge or something
PoM --> Fireball... Frostbolt (4 sec.) depending on target like warrior or druid (if Miss. Barrage procs then incorporate)
Arc Barrage (Inst. )
Frost Nova* (Inst. ) or Cone of Cone then Frost Nova
Blink* (Inst. ) cooldown a factor again
Arc Barrage (Inst. )
Once again this time your opponent should be getting lower in health and I stated before everything on is your game...

Commentaire de 219697

Ok let me dumb that down.

1 Pyroblast
2 Presence of Mind
3 Instant Pyroblast
4 Arcane Barrage
5 Ice Lance
6 Fireblast
7 Frost Nova
8 Blink
the rest is your own set of skill

Commentaire de 316937

I've been doing a little experimenting with the Arcane Blast>Arcane Barrage>Arcane Blast rotation in regards to haste effects.
I've been stacking haste and I see that the rotation seems to be right on the money with no wasted time at around 13% haste effect from haste rating alone, in addition to Netherwing Presence. (6% haste talent I believe).
Being only lvl 77 Im not sure how much actual haste this translates to at 80, but get your haste effect at about 13% and you will not be dissapointed.
Makes the rotation go from awkward to very smooth.
By no wasted time I mean as little time between after casting arcane barrage, waiting for GCD, casting arcane blast, and being ready for next arcane barrage without it sitting on its cooldown, or having wasted time by being done with its cooldown while waiting for arcane blast to finish....mouth full I know.
Hope this helps someone, as I dont have hard numbers, feel free to do the math.

BTW, my arcane blast fires off at only 2 seconds. Thats .5 seconds shaved off. I assume the global cooldown must be somewhere close to the same amount of reduction.

Commentaire de 170753

Anyone know the new spell coeficient since patch 3.0.9? Seems like it was aligned with Fire Blast, but I do not have numbers, can anyone confirm?

Commentaire de 318311

Upon the release of Patch 3.0.9, Arcane Barrage now has a coefficient of (approx) 0.71 , or 71%

This is a net loss of approximately 10% from the previous day.

While this is obviously a nerf, the actual implications of this change are only now being truly understood by the mage community at large.
The main implication being

Arcane Barrage is now not worth casting in any PvE situation.

Previously, Arcane Barrage held a strong position in 2 main Arcane PvE rotations:

1. At the end of a ABx3 stack rotation : AB AB AB ABr
2. Cycled with MBAM as an ABr MBAM cyclical proc based reactionary rotation.

as well holding a major position in the Arcane PvE DPS process as a moderator of the DPS and DPS tradeoff that the Arcanist would have to make.

Unfortunately, with the onset of patch 3.0.9, this is no longer the case, since, there is exactly no situation where you would be benefiting yourself by casting Arcane Barrage (since if you did you would actualy *lose* DPS by a significant amount).

The net effect of this change is that whereas Arcane PvE of 3.0.8 was a dynamically played, interesting and involved spec that required a deep understanding of mana mechanics and skilled play, the Arcane PvE of 3.0.9 has unfortunately been reduced to a mindless spam of AB AB AB AM irrespective of what situation you are in.
I.E Whereas before, Arcane mages had a large toolkit of rotations to pick from to maximize their DPS, Arcane mages now only have 1 real viable rotation, that of casting AB 3 times and then casting Arcane Missiles even if you have no Missile Barrage proc.

Hence, Arcane Barrage now fades into PvE antiquity. Taking its place amongst the other "PvP only 51 point talents", such as Deep Freeze.

Unfortunately, 3.0.9 also reduced Arcane PvP's viability by a large enough amount to the point where it is no longer viable to PvP as arcane anyway.

Commentaire de 254321

a three-second cooldown, and good instant damage. a MUST for PVP.

Commentaire de 367536

HADOUKEN!

Commentaire de 370864

You know there's something quiet interesting about this spell: It's background.

If you check the arcane tree it's mostly about planning, strategy, setting up, using CD's at the right moment, debuffing your opponent, etc. Everything has an order...

But then comes Arcane Barrage to change the whole schematic, take a look at the animation... beautiful and completely chaotic, no order on the missiles whatsoever.

And when to cast it? No order again! Check out the dps cycling, there's no place to fit Arcane Barrage into, but yet it would be completely stupid not to use it at all!

Just an opinion. I love this spell.

Commentaire de 402141

This spell is my sworn enemy forever,
and my mage is also arcane, but I don't put my talent on it, it's way too OP,
and i also think this is a noobiest spell blizz ever made!, I meant anyone who use it = incurable NOOB

Commentaire de matoh

nice for farming in lowbies zone ,, if the mobs are spread and AOE is difficult

Arcane Barrage, run, loot rinse and repeat, no need to stop for casting

Commentaire de 334814

With the change to Arcane Missiles, this spell will most likely be redesigned to fit in our rotation, making arcane less face roll and more fun to play and bringing use back to this now near useless spell.

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Barrage des arcanes

Barrage des arcanes	Niveau 80

Talent

18% de la mana de base	30 m de portée

Instantanée	3 s de recharge

Lance plusieurs projectiles sur la cible ennemie et lui inflige 936 to 1144 points de dégâts des Arcanes.

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Durée

n/d

École

Arcane

Mécanique

n/d

Type de dissipation

n/d

Catégorie GCD

Standard

Coût

18% de la mana de base

Portée

30 mètres (Moyen)

Incantation

Instantanée

Recharge

3 secondes

GCD

1.5 secondes

Effet

School Damage (Arcane)
Valeur : 936 (Mod. SP : 0.714)
Multiplicateur JcJ : 1

Marqueurs

Ne peut être utilisé en changeforme

Barrage des arcanes

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