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评论来自
37922
+1% attack speed? Wow..
评论来自
vocel
wondering for pve whats better, this (+10haste) vs 15str for a fury warrior, anyone with have any ideas?
评论来自
55370
It depends on how good your gear is, will 15 str ad more then 1% white damage?
评论来自
kushu
The haste might be better, truth be told. The only reason I say this is that it seems to be another scaling thing. At level 53, I just got Devilsaur Gauntlets and put this Haste on them. It says 10 haste rating gives me 1.73% haste.
评论来自
80034
There is no need to calculate dps as you can compare it in character screen weapon damage tooltip before and after enchant. I did it myself so I'll post it here.
-- scenario 1
MH weapon: Talon of Azshara
OH weapon: Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade
Gloves enchant: Assault (26AP)
AP: 1639
MH Average DPS (from tooltip): 212.3
OH Average DPS (from tooltip): 165.0
-- scenario 2
MH weapon: Talon of Azshara
OH weapon: Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade
Gloves enchant: Minor Haste
AP: 1613
MH Average DPS (from tooltip): 212.4
OH Average DPS (from tooltip): 165.1
So 1% haste IS better than 26AP and it even scale better as your AP goes up. But note that this affect only your white damage.
评论来自
Xsound
Gave me 5,57% speed at lvl 22..
Ohh and yes - it does apply to range mate :)
评论来自
Athene
When using this on lvl70, it says +0,95% on the gloves, but in the character screen it says +0,63%...
评论来自
36045
As of 2.2 15.76 haste rating is equal to 1% faster attack. This formula is from wowwiki and shows how to calculate increases in haste with different sources. Haste now multiplies with other sources. Ex 120% x 130% = 156%
The formula for determining hasted weapon speed is:
Hasted Speed = Weapon Speed / ( (1+(Haste 1 %/100)) * (1+Haste 2 %/100)) * (1+(((Haste Rating 1 + Haste Rating 2 + ... )/100)/10.52)))
Example: 2.6 / ( (1+(10%/100)) *(1+(30%/100)) * (1+20%/100)) * (1+(((105.2)/100)/10.52)))
2.6 / ((1.1*1.3*1.2) * 1.1) = 2.6 / 1,8876 = 1,377 sec, attack speed.
For the full article go to the link below:
http://www.wowwiki.com/Haste
评论来自
10128
26% speed at level two.
This is godly for leveling up your small characters. Put it on a pair of white quality cloth gloves for example, then give it to another character when you're done.
评论来自
29804
This would be quite good on a 19 twink as it is 4,73% increased speed at level 19.
评论来自
daurenr
For druids,
- in cat form attack speed 0,99
- in bear form attack speed 2,49
评论来自
122120
Is this good for a lvl range of 50-55 fury warrior?
评论来自
73093
15 strength to gloves will still be better for your fury warrior by that level.
评论来自
112723
+10 haste to head slot (Libram of Rapidity on Belf mask)
+10 haste to gloves
+20 haste to 2handed weapon (Iron Counterweight)
this gives +40 haste rate which is +104% speed increase at lvl 5 thru 12 where it starts to drop off. This is all on white label non-binding gear. I have used my superman set on 8 different toons now, and I intend to transfer it to a new server and use it more. The only reason I didn't do a Libram of Rapidity on the pants is because that would mean losing the Clefthide armor kit, and what lvl 1 toon wouldnt want +30 stamina?
A weapon with a speed of 3.00 hits at about 1.30 with this gear. I love it when people try to duel me, they only do it once (^_^)
评论来自
bitzero
Does this affect spell haste as well? I saw a caster twink with it and wondered if it actually helped with casting and or wanding.
评论来自
Athene
5,78% at level 17.
4,33% at level 20.
The percentage lowers quickly as you level up, especially the first low levels.
评论来自
227168
Its pointless to put it on a lvl 2 since you can get too lvl 10 in less then and hr without good equipment.
评论来自
CoJo
Before you send those white gloves to your other alt, consider this for a moment:
At level 20 (per stated above), this enchant gives still gives us 4.33% casting speed. Unless you're using
Enumerated Gloves of the Foreseer
, your haste gloves are still your best option for DPS.
At level 80, 4.33% casting speed is 141 haste rating. If you had 2 similar items at level 80, and one had 141 haste rating, while the other had nothing... that choice is simple. Now, given most items at level 20 are just a small number of worthless stats, the gloves with the haste are going to be far superior to every item save the one linked above.
They're worth wearing even at level 20.
评论来自
Thottbot
I know from experience it doesn't work on a wand.
评论来自
Thottbot
does this bonus work while shapeshifted?
评论来自
Thottbot
yeah that last guy is compeltely right...its for gloves and i have a counterweight on my slow wep so 4 percent is much better than 3 and the reagents r easy....just go grind STV for the plant and get in an instance with an enchanter to DE the shard for you or something easy peasy
评论来自
Thottbot
If a rogue has more than +5% chance to hit, this will equal to an extra +hit since it only affects the white damage.
For sword-rogues it is a tiny bit less worth since they have a chance to hit an extra time everytime they deal damage with a sword, this is an instant attack and depends on the hitchance, making +hit better.
So if you want a higher white damage, this is the enchant you want, if you play pvp style with ambush and backstab you might want to look elsewhere.
评论来自
Thottbot
If you click on the effect for the enchantment (
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/sp=13928
), you see these effects:
Effect 1
Apply Aura: Haste - Melee
Value: 1
Effect 2
Apply Aura: Haste - Ranged
Value: 1
So it does in fact have an effect upon your ranged speed based on what Thottbot has recorded.
The same applies for the Arcanum of Rapidity's effect (
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/sp=22841
) which means if you really wanted to, you could have a 3% increase in attack speed for melee and ranged. Now, is this worth giving up other potential enchants? I don't have that answer.
评论来自
Thottbot
everybody above is wrong, agility can not give the same effect as minor haste
agility gives crit change and dodge chance
1% increased attack speed is totally different, it increases the speed at which you attack (pretty self explanitory)
IMO this is a good enchant for rogues, or any melee class. I would get this for my pre MC epic gloves, and then +agil on my NS or BF because it's pretty cheap, and +agil costs more
评论来自
Thottbot
I just got 1% haste on gloves and it increased my ranged attack speed from 2.52 to 2.5 and melee attack speed from 2.78 to 2.76 on my paper doll. I'm thinking it may be more significant of a bonus with Rapid Fire and Quick Shots.
评论来自
Thottbot
I tested it on 3 weapons: Brain hacker 2.10, seeping willow 3.60 and a lorespinner dagger 1.50
If you look at your character window and right click on your DPS you can see that your weapon speed will be different than the one if you click on your weapon. For example: My Brain Hacker has a speed of 2.10 but in the DPS window it say 2.08. This also slightly increased the DPS because weapons speed is factored in when calculating DPS.
I think this was a worth while enchant for me because when a Shaman malee he/she need all the help they can get. Any advantage no matter how small is an advantage. It was like having an extra swing per fight.
Just my 2cents
Alp
评论来自
Thottbot
So my main is a fury warrior with duals. He's always at over 200 dps in combat (shown on his charatcter window) and when his Crusaders kick in and other buffs he can top 400, then u add in his nearly 30% crit...
I think a 1% attack speed has gotta be worth 5 dps on average for me, though there is no way to really know. The +7 STR glove enchant gives me around 1.5 dps. The 15 agility would give about .75% increase crit chance is the only thing that comes close.
Buffs, enchants etc that add %'s rather then a fixed amount really create leverage as you advance. I have this enchant and the muuuch more expensive Librams of Rapidity on my head and legs.
I'm not much good in duels because I'm such a one sided character (hardly anything extra for AC or HP) but in instances working with a good tank I always do the most damage. If that is your goal and you're a fury warrior get this enchant. Given that agility helps a rogue in more ways then just crit %, it's a tougher call but I wouldn't be suprised if this overlooked enchant is better for them too.
评论来自
Thottbot
quite obviously, this enchant will increase your dps by 1% if all you do is right click on your target, ie auto attacking. this makes it very nice for combat classes that dont use instant attacks. as burst damage is not affected, id think this would be more suited to pve than pvp (where +agi or +str enchants would probably be more useful).
personally id like this enchant (in pve) on a hunter, where 1% damage applies to basically everything except multishot, and also on a shamman, where 1% haste is 1% dps (except for stormstrike shamman). even flurry should make no difference, as all haste mods are becoming multiplicative after 1.12, so stacking haste does not have the same diminishing affect as stacking crit.
for rogues, allot of your damage is from instant attacks and burst damage is even more important for rogues for pvp, so i wouldnt advise it.
for fury warriors, this may be useful (in pve) with slightly more rage etc, but i cant really comment as i have little experience with warriors.
评论来自
Thottbot
It's not about the 100th hit against a mob, it's about the 1st, and the 2nd, and every hit after that.
My statement about increasing DPS was correct. You will now be hitting the enemy faster, but dealing the same amount of damage per hit. That means that you will down an enemy quicker than you would have normally. That means that on average, you deal more damage every second!
DPS stands for Damage Per Second. DPS = Damage/Time. So, killing a mob twice, once without and once with this enchant, you will have more DPS with, because you've dealt the same amount of damage, only dealt it quicker... That's means, even if you kill it in 2 hits, your DPS was better!
The only thing is of course, my statement about it increasing the DPS of a slower bow isn't right... It does speed it up by a greater amount than the slower bows, because the percentage of the speed to increase is greater, but the DPS increase is the same for both a slow bow, and a fast bow, with the same DPS.
Also, this is the only enchant that I know of increases your damage by a percentage, rather than a fixed amount... For a hunter, 7 Agility = 14 Attack Power = 1DPS, end of. For this enchant, it makes each of your hits land with more speed... So, the more you buff your damage per hit (better weapons, and the +weapon damage items listed in previous post), the more this enchant will benefit you!
Going back to the DPS formula (DPS = Damage/Time), this is because agility modifies the DPS part (altering the damage in retrospect to compensate), stuff like scopes and Might of Cenarius modify the damage portion, and haste items modify the time portion... Meaning that the +dmg items are also percentile based!
评论来自
Thottbot
i just got the 1% libram on my helm, which suprisingly gives a cool kind of golden glow. the 1% rapidity libram increased my "white" autoshot dps on my paperdoll from 218.0 to 220.2. how much agility would it take to get 2.2 dps? lol. a whole lot. 14 agil=1dps, and almost .5% crit. the crit is very valuable, yes. but the mats for 15agil are a little pricey. i may just resell them. this enchant also speeds up my procs, just as the warriors said their flurry procs more, my improved aspect of the hawk (15% faster shots) procs alot more often. i cant wait to get field marshal legs to put another arcanum on them too!
评论来自
Thottbot
imagine the shortness of this thread if it were +2% haste
评论来自
Thottbot
Has anyone factored in poisons for Rogues in this already too long thread? The faster your weapons are, the more often you have a chance to inflict poison. Weapon speed is very important for a dagger rogue. Unless every weapon really swings at the same rate and gets "extra swings" after a given period of time to reflect weapon speed, in which case that length of time would determine the usefulness of this enchant.
I doubt this is the case though because in game play while using 2 different weapons with two different speeds the swing rate is obviously different between the weapons. And the description for this enchant describes a difference in weapon speed, not total number of attacks, or number of extra attacks.....
评论来自
Thottbot
There is no need to calculate dps as you can compare it in character screen weapon damage tooltip before and after enchant. I did it myself so I'll post it here.
-- scenario 1
MH weapon: Talon of Azshara
OH weapon: Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade
Gloves enchant: Assault (26AP)
AP: 1639
MH Average DPS (from tooltip): 212.3
OH Average DPS (from tooltip): 165.0
-- scenario 2
MH weapon: Talon of Azshara
OH weapon: Merciless Gladiator's Quickblade
Gloves enchant: Minor Haste
AP: 1613
MH Average DPS (from tooltip): 212.4
OH Average DPS (from tooltip): 165.1
So 1% haste IS better than 26AP and it even scale better as your AP goes up. But note that this affect only your white damage.
评论来自
Thottbot
mele haste is level scaled so if you search thottbot for melee haste you can see that at level 10 a increase of .38 rating = 1% increase in melee speed and at level 19 this is approxamately 10% melee speed increase
this enchant is almost useless for high lelevs because it takes around 20 rating for 1% increase in melee speed
评论来自
Thottbot
does this bonus work while shapeshifted?
评论来自
Thottbot
hey, i am making a lvl 19 hunter twink, and i know 15 agi si the best, but i am wondering, would this combined w/ 10 haste rating to head increase my ranged speed by a lot if i were to use the WC bow, venomstrike?
评论来自
Thottbot
Haste is always good against casters, the faster your hits the longer it takes for a caster to release a spell.
On a lvl 59 hunter:
Precisely Calibrated Boomstick (1.5 speed)
Gnoll Skin Bandolier (15% speed increment)
Improved Aspect of the Hawk (15% attack speed increment)
Serpent Swiftness (20% attack speed increment)
Rapid Fire (40% attack speed increment)
Minor Haste (1.5% attack speed increment)
Librahm of Rapidity (1.5% attack speed increment)
.65 speed, caster gone and never released a timed spell!
You would be no longer a hunter, you would be a gangster.
评论来自
Thottbot
For horde were can this encahnt be found.
评论来自
Thottbot
This increases your attack speed SO much on a level 1.
Getting this enchant on a pair of level 1 gloves and giving them to your level 1 toon will totally make leveling go faster. And combine it with the Cobrahide/Nethercobra kit and you'll crit like there's no tomorrow as well.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Does anyone know how the +haste rating enchant will affect a lvl 19 twink using Shadowfang (2.7 atk spd)? or cruel barb (2.8 atk spd)?
I've noticed that these rating effects like the +12 dodge rating from an Arena Grandmaster trinket adds about 4.73% to dodge for a rogue at lvl 19...
So if that increases so much more on a lvl 19 than at higher character levels wouldn't +haste rating be more than 1% respectively?
Please let me know what you think.
Skurv - 19 Twink
<GODS of WARSONG>
Wildhammer
评论来自
Allakhazam
I wondered this myself being a math major and all so I busted out the TI83 and did some work. Before I post it just wanted to say what works on paper and results in game are not always identical. Thus the best answer would be to try it out in game.
Now we have the choice +1% increased attack speed versus agility enchant. The +1% attack speed is available on the items worns on the head hands and legs. So the max increased attack speed you can recieve is +3%. In place of that +3% you forfeit 23 agility. 8 on the head, 8 on the legs, 7 on the hands.
Now going to our oh so popular damage formula which factors in attack power. 14 attack power=1 dps.
(Average damage)+(X/14)*(Weapon speed)=Damage
X=your attack power
Now lets compare the two formulas we will use. First is the +3% attack speed. We multiply the weapon speed in our original formula by .97 to compensate for the +3% increased attack speed. In the second formula for added agility we will add 23 to X, your attack power,. Also not to forget (I bet you thought I would forget) 23 agility will give you a small fraction of a percent to crit (0.79%) for a rogue. So this ultimately over time increases your Damage by 0.79%
INCREASED ATTACK SPEED FORMULA #1
(Average damage)+(X/14)*(Weapon speed*.97)=Damage
AGILITY FORMULA #1
*1.0079=Damage
Set them equal and try and solve for X. The equations are never equal. In fact the more attack power you have the greater the agility enchant formula will out damage the increased attack speed formula regardless of your weapon.
BUT... one could argue how I compensated for increased attack speed. One could argue that increased attack speed over time produces the same effect as crit chance (increasing your overall damage by that percent). Thus having to make a new formula for increased attack speed, where the effect shares a similar placement as crit chance in the agility formula.
ATTACK SPEED FORMULA #2
*1.03=Damage
Setting attack speed formula #2 and the agility formula equal and solving for X. You find no matter what weapon you choose, increased attack speed will out damage agility enchants as your attack power reaches a certain number. What number is dependant on the weapon you choose. Which dissapoints me cause I was hoping these formulas would provide an exact attack power where both enchants would produce same results regardless of weapon choice.
Summing it up, agility is great cause it adds other things too besides attack power and crit chance. I wish I was sure of which formula is correct for the increased attack power enchants. If #1 is correct then agility enchants are the better buy for damage output. If #2 is correct then it depends on what weapons you are using and what your attack power is.
Edited, Wed Aug 10 03:05:54 2005
评论来自
Allakhazam
Ok first off for a rouge (I checked) I found out 10 agi = 1% dodge and i'm pretty sure crit chance its about 1 % ok I'm lev 46 I have a 30 % chance to dodge with 260 agility but I have plus 5 % to dodge with my talents so I figure normal agi gives a bit more of a bonus and agility bonuses (from armor or enchants)
give a bit less but it adds up agility is way better 23 agi = PWNAGE over plus 3% attack speed abd as hatkun said your not gonna hit something more then 100 times except onyxia and ragnoras or if you have plus 3% its stil not that big Just go sword spec. you can gain an extra attack, with up to a 5 % chance so you rapid fire SS and your gaining hits prety fast.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Got this today for my hunter. Turns out it doesn't change the Ranged Attack Speed value, only Melee.
评论来自
Allakhazam
does this enchant still exist? i cannot find the source anywhere even on this site. Is this even something an enchanter can learn?
评论来自
Allakhazam
I know about the enchant for the gloves.
But what about the leggings and helm? What are they called.
In my case, as a hunter I can use the heartseeking crossbow 3.10 spd and the pole arm Stoneraven 3.30 spd.
If the speed enchants stack with a counterweight I am looking at a speed around 2.7 for a weapon that does 118-178 a shot. Not bad.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Ok for cruel barb on my warrior i have 2.62 speed rating on cruel barb with haste to gloves and like 3.08 speed with Night reaver so some of your guys math is off, i just need to know if haste works for ranged, and for shadowfang, id say itd be like 2.54-6 or so speed with haste
评论来自
Allakhazam
+1% seems pretty useless. It will mount up to give you an extra attack against something every 100 hits. Except you're not going to hit anything (Appart for Onyxia) a hundred times for it to count.
I'd much prefer to get some extra strength or agility on my bracers.
评论来自
Allakhazam
/cry. think it will be changed to give bounus to ranged in a pacth sooner or later?
评论来自
Allakhazam
this is gotten at enchanting level 250 not 265 or 270
评论来自
Allakhazam
Great thread, I love the discussion, it's not very often you get this many different views on a math problem.
As noted below, no one likes to be in melee range with an hostile rogue. People run away, and some have fairly effective strategies for avoiding being hit. They hop in and out range, sometimes only being there long enough for one swing - but how long does your swing take? If you increase your speed from 1.5 to 1.4, and someone is in range for 1.41 seconds, you just earned yourself a second swing.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Edited the post and it's fine now.
Edited, Wed Aug 10 03:07:56 2005
评论来自
Kanariya
In Classic: This enchant does not affect spell casting speed. It only affects melee and ranged auto-attack speed (excluding Wands).
评论来自
tactless
Is this in classic? I've pestered my guild's enchanters and they have no idea what this is.
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