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评论来自
230903
This seems to be Arthas' prisoner - as seen in the yogg-saron (Lich King vision) kill movie by Vodka for example.
The crucial word here though is immolated - either Arthas simply likes to torture his prisoners with fire ("simulated burning") or could this even be another hint that the prisoner held by Arthas indeed is Bolvar? At least it would make sense, as the "dead" bodies at Wrathgate were "cleansed" by dragon fire.
评论来自
124863
Anyone able to get a screenshot of this Prisoner?
评论来自
sstan
This seems to be Bolvar. At least if you look closely on his 3D model, his leg armor matches with Bolvars.
评论来自
Sador
It also matches about 40 dozen other NPCs with warrior Lieutenant Commander's gear on.
评论来自
joshua10
if you look closely at the eyebrows of the fella in view in 3D, you'll notice they're the same color as Bolvar's hair
评论来自
VraulJawrip
It's Bolvar and Saurfang. It's too obvious. xD
评论来自
236602
There's almost a 100% chance that this guy is Bolvar, because he's wearing the Alliance legplates if you look at him in the 3D Model Viewer
, and his eyebrows are the same colour as Bolvar's hair.
评论来自
ScorchHellfire
The real life meaning of immolate has nothing to do with fire. It actually means to sacrifice which makes sense seeing how as the original immolation ability of the War 3 Demon Hunter involved them surrounding themselves in fire to hurt nearby enemies and originally the Warlock ability Immolate had the same ring of fire effect as the old Immolation...
But anyways, yes its obviously Bolvar not just by the look but also his voice is the exact same... Bolvar and Saurfang the Younger will probably be bosses in Icecrown citadel.
The real question is how many people will Saurfang's cleaves will kill at once and if Bolvar will retain his paladin style abilities like Sir Zeliek in Naxx... I vote yes.
评论来自
266285
"Saurfang the Younger's Corrupted Cleave hits you for infinity damage."
"You die."
"You are resurrected by Bolvar Fordragon's Dark Redemption."
"Saurfang the Younger's Corrupted Cleave hits you for infinity damage."
"You die."
Rinse and repeat, rinse and repeat...
评论来自
Takenobo
But also what about what those Dragons say about his fate? I know I read somewhere where people had something bugged and were able to read what they said. I know from the ingame clip that LK took Saurfang's soul but he didn't take Bolvars, cuz he died from the gases, unless when the dragons burned the area, and I know from one quest I did, the dragons flames can I guess give life. So maybe we'll see a revived and maybe dragonish Bolvar?
评论来自
118186
The quote you're referring to is
Korialstrasz says: My Queen, do they know?
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: No, my beloved.
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: Ashj zila gul kirasath lok ante il lok buras danashj Gul gul
Korialstrasz nods.
Korialstrasz says: They will not.
Alexstrasza whispers: Come to me, <name>.
In Draconic "Ashj zila gul kirasath lok ante il lok buras danashj Gul gul" means "They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet." when run through the in-game translator. Implying that Bolvar may have survived...one way or another.
(
http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Return_To_Angrathar
)
This could indicate that the prisoner is indeed Bolvar, but it raises a question:
We saw Bolvar (presumably) die via the Forsaken plague, and then the whole area was cleansed by dragon's fire. While I doubt that the fire would bring anyone back to life, and it doesn't seem to be able to cleanse the original plague (see the
Crusader Bridenbrad
chain), much less the Forsaken's improved version, it's probably capable of killing and crisping Bolvar even if he hadn't died to the plague ambush. So how would Arthas (after having all his forces killed and he himself being forced to retreat, no less) have gotten ahold of Bolvar's body in order to torture him? Even if Bolvar hadn't been consumed, I sort of doubt he sneaked out to steal his body back with Alexstrasza sitting
right there.
It seems possible he's tormenting Bolvar's spirit, which he somehow got ahold of even though Takenobo rightfully pointed out that he didn't have his soul sucked up like Saurfang Jr., but why would his spirit be wearing his old pants?
Still, with the "Immolated" appellation, the quote hinting that there's more going on with "the young paladin," the fact that his pants and hair color match, and the highly likely presence of Saurfang Jr. (the Turned Champion), we can be relatively certain that this
is
Bolvar.
评论来自
416441
Now that we're relatively certain that this is Bolvar, what role would he play? An Icecrown Citadel boss, The current identity of The Black Knight, or is he just kinda..there. Let's remember that what we saw in Yoggy's room was a scene from the
future
so do we have time to maybe rescue him from this fate? Or will Saurfang Jr. (Turned Champion) just cleave everything..I like that idea.
评论来自
whitedragon254
Bolvar was pretty stong as he stood in the plague fumes. Its possible that they cleansed the plauge BEFORE he died. As he could have just been lieing there waiting for death. As immolated = burned its possible that when they cleansed they burned his hair off. his body was not found and in his weakened state it could be relitively easy for one to get his body out. Unlike saurfang the younger only his shield was left so its possible thats what was left when his body was stolen. Saurfang's body was probably taken out also with the helm having just fallen off. Turned champion = Saurfang Immolated Champion = bolvar. Saurfang's soul was stolen so it would be easy for the lich king to force saurfang to become a DK
评论来自
BrintoSFJ
if u read the warcraft lore in wowwiki then u know that red dragons can give or cleanse life with their fire breath, so it can be said that bolvar was resurrected by their fire but was too weak to defend himself when arthas took his soul, so we get the 'immolated champion'. and as for Saurfang, we saw what arthas did to him, there's no doubt that he is the 'turned champion', a new death knight. but the question i have is: would arthas dare turn them into death knights after the incident of the light's hope chapel?
评论来自
296037
I wonder if he survived the wrathgate or if he is undead (Despite wowhead listing him as humanoid I don't think this has much to do with the question, seeing as tons of undeads are marked as humanoids)
My guess is that he is dead and that, while his soul was departing arthas somehow "grabbed" it and pulled it into his body, and now he' trying to force his soul under his service or something like that.
评论来自
jjuurriijj
This is how the encounter will look like: you will see LK and Saurfang torturing Bolvar. LK will be waving with his sword and Saurfang will be beating him without a weapon. LK will say something like: "I have better things to do! Saurfang, execute him!" and walk out of the room. Saurfang will go to the other side of the room to get his weapon. Now will be the time to dress Bolvar up. You were gathering his equipment from previous bosses. The less of the things you gave to him the more hard mode it will be. Then it will start. Saurfang starts yelling and swearing. He jumps Bolvar and he will MT the boss. Bolvar will need to be mass healed at start because he will have only 20% health (LK ordered to execute him). From time to time Saurfang will cast
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=42650
which will need to be tanked by 1 or more people. Maybe there will be different ghouls with different abilities like Yoggi tentacles. He will cleave very often. When you get him to 10% or when you reach the time limit, Saurfang will start casting and everybody will get a warning "Saurfang is casting a massive
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=50581
!" When he finishes he blasts Bolvar through wall of the room into the sky. Saurfang then casts
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=5246
and slowly walks from person to person cleaving them until there are 5 (10 on 25man) new people dead. If he kills Bolvar because of enrage timer he kills everyone else. If you got him to 10% and atleast 1 person survived, papa Saurfang will knock down door from where you came (it has closed like entrance to almost every encounter) Chuck Norris style. Then papa Saurfang will talk a bit like this: "My son, you were once a hero of the horde like me, bla bla bla..." Lots of drama included. Then Saurfang says: "I dont have a father anymore! I am no longer a hero of the horde! I serve only the Lich King now! Show me you are worth proclaiming yourself to be connected with me!" Papa Saurfang gets angry and cleaves (a
GIANT CLEAVE
animation) of his sons head. Then he talks some dramatic words while fear runs out and players get to loot headles Saurfang younger.
Some loot could be: His new very big axe (it could be named Saurfang's Denial or something of similar coolnes, Saurfang's head (not slot, but an actual head with skull and everything) for a trinket or a neck, maybe a finger named Saurfang's tear (oh cmon, even he can cry when he has to kill his son) and maybe some Bolvar shield that fell from him when he was blasted away.
The end, hope you enjoyed reading what I wrote, it is definately not finished and I definately wont finish it.
评论来自
440431
Clearly it's Bolvar. But wouldn't it be fun to find Turalyon being tortured by Arthas? He could be anywhere since he's been missing in action for quite some time.
http://therearenogirlsinwow.blogspot.com/
评论来自
Linkedblade
I could see something like the Lich King putting Saurfang Jr.'s soul inside the body of Bolvar, or vice versa, because it's similar to the Ner'zhul / Arthas combo, and I could see the Lich King duping us into fighting a Bolvar body with Saurfang's soul, while he makes his escape. . .
评论来自
132793
We saw Bolvar (presumably) die via the Forsaken plague, and then the whole area was cleansed by dragon's fire. While I doubt that the fire would bring anyone back to life, and it doesn't seem to be able to cleanse the original plague (see the Crusader Bridenbrad chain), much less the Forsaken's improved version, it's probably capable of killing and crisping Bolvar even if he hadn't died to the plague ambush. So how would Arthas (after having all his forces killed and he himself being forced to retreat, no less) have gotten ahold of Bolvar's body in order to torture him? Even if Bolvar hadn't been consumed, I sort of doubt he sneaked out to steal his body back with Alexstrasza sitting right there.
It seems possible he's tormenting Bolvar's spirit, which he somehow got ahold of even though Takenobo rightfully pointed out that he didn't have his soul sucked up like Saurfang Jr., but why would his spirit be wearing his old pants?
And this is why Blizzard is a huge sack of fail who can't or won't think anything through, choosing instead to simply vomit up whatever they think fans want.
评论来自
229288
I have a feeling that the Lich King is going to somehow combine Bolvar and Saurfang's body/soul and create a new uber-Death Knight not unlike the way that Gul'dan created Teron Gorefiend, the original Death Knight.
Some people are saying that it won't happen this way because Teron wasn't a scourge Death Knight and Gul'dan used a completely different method to create him, and while that's true, I definitely think that Arthas could come up with his own way to go about it.
Either that, or we'll just face our respective Champion-turned-DK in the ICC, based on your faction, but I think the former is a lot cooler.
评论来自
Yukazi
!~SPOILER~!
Highlord Tirion Fordring yells:
Our march upon the Icecrown Citadel begins now!
The Lich King yells:
You now stand upon the hallowed ground of the Scourge. The Light won't protect you here, paladin. Nothing will protect you...
Highlord Tirion Fordring yells:
ARTHAS! I swore that I would see you dead and the Scourge dismantled! I'm going to finish what I started at Light's Hope!
The Lich King yells:
You could have been my greatest champion, Fordring: A force of darkness that would wash over this world and deliver it into a new age of strife.
The Lich King yells:
But that honor is no longer yours. Soon, I will have a new champion.
The Lich King yells:
The breaking of this one has been taxing.
The atrocities I have commited upon this soul
. He has resisted for so long, but he will bow down before his king soon.
Highlord Bolvar Fordragon yells:
NEVER! I... I will never... serve... you...
The Lich King yells
: In the end, you will all serve me.
High Overlord Saurfang says:
The paladin still lives? Is it possible, Highlord? Could he have survived?
Highlord Tirion Fordring says:
The power of the Light knows no bounds, Saurfang. His soul is under great strain, but he lives - for now.
High Overlord Saurfang says
: Then we must save him! If we rescue Bolvar Fordragon, we may quell the unrest between the Alliance and Horde!
High Overlord Saurfang says:
Our mission is now clear: The Lich King will answer for his crimes and we will save Highlord Bolvar Fordragon!
High Overlord Saurfang yells:
Kor'kron, prepare Orgrim Hammer for its final voyage! Champions, our gunship will find a point to dock on the upper reaches of the citadel. Meet us there!
Edits: Correcting spelling and adding spoiler warning.
评论来自
JonTargaryen
Hang in there Bolvar, we're coming for you.
评论来自
218119
A model added in the patch 3.3 PTR suggests that the "Immolated Champion" is indeed Highlord Bolvar.
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/npc=27872
- Original Bolvar (pre-Wrath Gate)
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/lavaman.jpg
- "Lavaman" model
The armor fragments for pants+boots look very similar to Bolvar's gear, and the belt is a perfect match.
He is probably making some kind of return in the patch 3.3 Raid, Icecrown Citadel, though at this point it is unknown if he will be an enemy or an ally.
评论来自
Brutusares
'' Korialstrasz says: My Queen, do they know?
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: No, my beloved.
Alexstrasza the Life-Binder says: Ashj zila gul kirasath lok ante il lok buras danashj Gul gul
Korialstrasz nods.
Korialstrasz says: They will not.
Alexstrasza whispers: Come to me, <name>
This is the dialogue you see when Alexstrasza is talking to Korialstrasz but due to some players being able to speak Draconic, some players are able to read and translate the line of text that Alexstrasza says.
The line of text reads:
Alexstrasza: They must not discover the fate of the young paladin. Not yet. ''
'' Immolated Champion?
One of the visions in the Yogg-Saron encounter shows the Lich King, an "Immolated Champion" and a "Turned Champion". Showing the Immolated Champion in a model viewer, it seems like it would be Bolvar, while the Turned Champion is Saurfang the Younger in death knight armor. ''
New model added in patch 3.3:
http://static.mmo-champion.com/mmoc/images/news/2009/october/lavaman.jpg
评论来自
43530
Seems as tho MMO-Champion may have found a better
picture
of this "Immolated Champion."
评论来自
OptimusJ
I wonder if with the introduction of the Lavaman Bolvar in ICC they will update the model in Ulduar. Would be cool.
评论来自
jtunis
Lavaman is obviously the immolated champion, and the immolated champion is Bolvar because it can't be anyone else.
The question remains, is he burned because of Arthas' torture, or is he burned because he was subjected to the Red Dragon's flame?
评论来自
98874
Matthias is
not
Arthas' 'innocence'. Matthias is
not
the Child in Arthas' mind in the Lich King novel. Arthas' innocence would not blatantly influence you to kill his heart(
see quest
s
), and the child in Arthas' mind was slain before the events of World of Warcraft.
Since it'll be deleted due to mindless downrating, quoting myself
There's actually a bit of an Answer to that question from Icecrown Citadel Quests. Remember that all of these events are events that the old gods
influenced
. There's
a certain Illusion
that you find underneath Icecrown Citadel in Naz'anak, an area controlled by Yogg-Saron's servants, the Faceless ones. He leads you through a series of quests depicting Arthas' Life and corruption into the Lich King. In
a particular Quest
/
H
, he encourages you to get friends if you're going after Arthas' Heart, now that you know it is his Weakness. Through his Illusion, Yogg-Saron influenced
you
to influence Tirion Fordring to Destroy Arthas' Heart. The Lich King, after reeling from his exploited weakness, knows that he will need reinforcements if he is to survive the seige of Alliance, Horde, Crusaders, and Ebon Blade. He begins working on his newest reinforcements...
评论来自
474855
Damn , I hope Bolvar will not replace Arthas .
评论来自
171630
SPOILER ALERT!
Bolvar Fordragon has a much more......interesting fate. He does not, indeed, end up serving the Lich King.....in fact, almost the exact opposite.
He becomes the new Lich King after Arthas's death.
评论来自
ShadowIze
this is actually the REAL bolvar this is what happened to him at the wrathgate if u wtach the end cinematic (fall of the lich king or something) on youtube u see that it are him and he will be the NEW lichking :o (this are real facts not a joke!)
评论来自
lightcry
This is how the
Lich King
spend his day....
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[Immolated Champion]
此 NPC 的地点未知。
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