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评论来自
70000
would this be a good weap for rogues considering the speed and everything...i know that eliminates the whole backstab thing but would it be worth it?
评论来自
Foxpaw
Its a plain sexy saber :P And with 2.3... homina. <3
评论来自
Corbon
Since you can't use poisons before Lv 20, the off hand speed of a weapon makes little difference. In fact, PvP'ers love to have a slow off hand for higher damage per swing, as opposed to having a fast off hand to prevent casting. Personally I use the WS dagger because of the stats and Shadowfang in main.
评论来自
73924
If one doesn't want to get Shadowfang MH (and there is like NO reason not to), he really should not use Cruel Barb MH but Butcher's Slicer (
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=6633
).
Edit: This should have been a reply to Smpkeymotors's comment
Edit: To make some things clear: This is the best OH if you go Dodgerogue, if you're going balanced use Assassin's Blade (
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=1935
) or WSG Dagger (
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=20441
(horde)
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=20443
(alliance))
评论来自
thamior
Would this or Cruel Barb be better for the Off Hand?
评论来自
73924
For a lvl 19 rogue twink i like this better, because +7 Agi is 1.89% Dodge. If you want to level this should still be better, because it's a lot faster therefore more poison proccs.
评论来自
99434
At lvl 19 rogues do not have poisons so it doesn't matter
评论来自
92921
I have not choosed this wep if i was a lvl 19 rogue twink. I would have Cruel Barb and Assassin's blade / Sentinel's blade With dagger in main hand. Then you can use backstab. And it is very good to use if you gouge target first.
评论来自
99434
poison procs dont matter for a 19 twink because the first poison requires lvl 20
评论来自
Serenity
For an lvl 19 dodge rogue twink this will be the best off hand weapon with an 15 + Agility enchant on. I gives more agility than any other lvl 19 weapon and got an fast attack speed for offhand.
评论来自
wsuhoey
Direct upgrades include:
Speedsteel Rapier (BoE)
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=13034
Drops: Random Global World Drop
Nordic Longshank (BoP)
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=9401
Drops: Uldaman, Baelog
Ginn-su Sword (BoE)
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=9424
Drops: Uldaman, trash mobs
Do note that these upgrades do not necessarily apply to twinks.
评论来自
125997
should i get this and buzzsaw or this and cruel barb?
评论来自
145983
With a dagger main hand what would be the best off-hand, this?
评论来自
153828
What do any of you think about this in off hand with Lifesteal and Cruel Barb in main with +15 agil?
评论来自
154627
what would be better for off hand this or wingblade because wingblade was changed to one hand with the new patch.
评论来自
165574
Been using this as a tanking weapon on my 17 Warrior, good sword.
评论来自
Less
Used this until mid 20's on my fury warrior, replaced with
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=2044
评论来自
176866
ok guys im open to advise here but b cause im a cheapie
im going to go legionarre's sword main hand (if barb doesn't drop whilst going for defias armor) and wingblade in off hand
is this a good set-up
like i said open to advise
plz dont downrate need info thx
评论来自
Dogatehw
I offhand this with +15 agility enchant while mainhanding a cruel barb with lifestealing on my 19 rogue
评论来自
219442
What would be better Scouts Blade(main hand) Thief's Blade(off hand)
or
Scouts Blade(Main hand) Buzzer Blade(Off Hand)
or
Buzzer Blade(Main Hand) Scouts or Thiefs Blade(Off Hand).
I want a Dagger main hand for the ambush, just tell me the best combo with those 3 weapons.
评论来自
144342
An realy good Twink weapon for "Rogues" not the one that wanna get as much hp that's possible for the one that wanna do Dmg :)
评论来自
291126
Good for a twink. +15agility thats 22agility right there.
评论来自
283062
Very nice dodge twink weapon for OH and for MH shadowfang :>
评论来自
336769
I got an idea for this weapon. All paladin, ENCHANT WITH 29/30 SP!
Your Judgement of Light will heal more, and if you got stamina gear, you will be a hard char to kill. AND you can geal yourself, making it even harder.
Just my thoughts :D
评论来自
AleAle
recently i have boosted a friend for 6/7 times and i've never saw that item :(
评论来自
384271
For a Rogue Twink (lvl 19), this weapon would be the perfect off-hand weapon with +15 agility on it, paired with the cruel barb with the +15 agility on it as well. It would tremendously increase ur dodge rate as well as lifting your damage in BG. I use this combo as a full geared twink rogue and usually do at least 17k damage, maybe more.
(This with Curel barb and +15 agility on both would usually get you a 120+ on mostly every hit =] GL )
评论来自
Darkie700
The DMG Fails but the Agility is nice to have. :)
评论来自
xXRogueXPallyXx
I got this sword from Mr. smite in DM while my friend was running me through it. I thought nothing of it until I started using it, and I love it. I recommend to everyone who uses swords to use this at some point.
评论来自
438574
Got this on my Twink Hunter. +7 AGI with the Enchant (+15) for 22 AGI is awesome.
评论来自
Demonist
If there are rogues in the group, let them have it... I just saw a paladin need on this with another rogue in the group.
评论来自
Thottbot
I love this thing for my rogue, off hand it is very very nice, I feel like a classic swachbuckler with the dagger in one hand, and sword in the other
评论来自
Thottbot
This may become a 19 twink weapon
New stats in 2.3: (is a blue now)
17-32 damage 1.70 speed
(14.4 DPS)
+7 agi
May beat out assassain's blade as the new off-hand twink weapon lol
评论来自
Thottbot
this is now a blue item yea
评论来自
Thottbot
This will probably become a much desired twink offhand item now.
Sux to have vendored this :P
评论来自
Thottbot
Just got upranked to a Blue! freakin awesome! now im glad i kept it, i was about to sell it.
评论来自
Thottbot
nice bit of gear now is it any good for a twink?
评论来自
Thottbot
First of all, for those of you who say this replaces Assassin's Blade in Off hand are wrong, because Assassin's Blade belongs in main hand, or not there at all. For a twink rogue, use either Thief's Blade, or sentinel's blade in the off hand. Both are faster then Assassin's Blade, therefore a better off hand weapon.
My twink sometimes switches to Assassin's Blade for ambush, but it's just too tedious to set up when your team needs you. Use to use dual daggers, but then swiyched to a Shadowfang and Sentinel's blade, and everything got MUCH better. Dagger rogues are sweet AT THE APPROPRIATE LEVEL. Level 19 is not that level.
评论来自
Thottbot
HAHAHA i love it how everything bumped up to blues makeseveryone feel 1337 now o well ... HAHAHAHHAHA
评论来自
Thottbot
My OCD wouldn't let me sell this so i put it in the bank....lucky me =)
评论来自
Thottbot
I was thinking of doing this off hand 15 agi, and shadow fang main hand just because this weap is too fast for good sinister strikes
评论来自
Thottbot
I am thinkin about gettin this for my twink rogue but i dont want to waste my xp away is it really worth it to to get these and put 15 agi on it?
评论来自
Thottbot
Yes...
And you dont have to get xp.
Let somebody clear the instance for you.
Go in to Smite.
Let Smite or some other mob to kill you.
Then let your friend kill Smite.
You "Need" when you are dead and get no xp.
Btw... had the coolest wsg ever yesterday...
Started wsg with my alliance rogue twink Äai on realm Executus. I captured two flags in wsg 9, and had 16-0 killing blows. Then logged out and logged in on wsg 9 on realm Ahn'Qiraj with my horde rogue Minitwink... then captured two more flags in the same battle so it was 2-2... and as horde we won 3-2 in the end :) and I captured 4 flags in one wsg :)
评论来自
Thottbot
Have a 70 hunter run you. No exp if the pet is the one fighting. Even a marks hunter's pet does enough dps. Smite only gives like 20 exp witha 70 there, so it's not like it hurts. If you'd rather die, that's fine, but since the drop isn't guaranteed that means you have to ghost run back, which is kind of annoying.
Use Shadowfang+Theif's Blade when spamming Sinister Strike.
Use Assassin's Blade+Theif's Blade when spamming Backstab or Ambush.
If you are having trouble swapping out weapons, use a mod like Outfitter to do it for you. It changes your gear when you enter and leave stealth. This way you can hit a 600 crit ambush and move on to 200 crit Sinister Strikes without missing a beat.
评论来自
Thottbot
Lucky me! i allready had thiefs blade when it got upgraded! :)
评论来自
Thottbot
I got one simple question, whats the best offhand atm for a 19 rogue?...
(Sinister-spamming rogue, not a stabber =D)
Assassin's Blade
3 Strength + 4 Agility
1.9 Speed
39 Max damage
Thief's Blade
7 Agility
1.7
32 Max damage
We can confirm that Thiefs Blade got better stats since you prefer Agility more then Strength as a rogue, although its the same attack power but you misses alot of dodge and crit. We can confirm that the faster offhand you got, the more damage will you do and Thief's Blade is the fastst of em. But Thief's Blade got 32 max damage and Assassin's Blade got 39 max damage, which means Assassin's Blade will hit harder on each attack.
So, does 0.2 speed and 7 agility outpwn 7 more max damage or not? Cant say 0.2 speed is a big diferent, but i cant say 7 more max damage is a big diferend either. Thief's Blade got alot better stats though.
Someone that knows alot, please tell me what blade to pick in offhand. I got mats for 15 agility enchant, and i got Assassin's Blade in my bank, but i dont wanna enchant it before i get confirmed its better. Really hope Thief's Blade is a better offhand, then i can sell my Assassin's Blade and get some extra cash. :)
//A random dude!
评论来自
Thottbot
Speed in offhand has alot of doing with dmg, since you main hand is doing instant attacks, you want a fast offhand since your missing alot with it...
Its better to have 1.7 speed in offhand then 2.6. You miss alot in 19 and it suck to miss a 2.6-speeded weapon. the 7+ agility upboosts the dps, have to commit that the 12+ ap is imba, but 7agility is 1.86% dodge or whatever typed in another comment.
Defending Thiefs blade since i just got 15+ agility on it :)
(Speed in offhand (at 70) isnt just to get shiv cost a lesser amount of energy, its to get alot of burstdmg to get the casting/heals slowed down too...)
(I were the guy asking which offhand was the best)
评论来自
Thottbot
That about the 12+ ap, was thinging of cruel barb, dont mind it :) and the speed, haha forgot it was about thiefs blade and "assassins blade" =D
评论来自
Thottbot
Still id say Thiefs blade is the best offhand, + go hit talents, 20% crit is enough at 19 (average twink) and 5% hit pwns alot more then 5% crit, + if you hit more, you still got chance to crit on the hits you otherwise would have missed :)...
评论来自
Thottbot
As of today's date (12/12/07), the Thottbot description does not mention that this weapon is UNIQUE-EQUIPPED, meaning you can only have one equipped at a time. In other words, you can't get two of them and dual-wield them.
评论来自
Thottbot
I love this wep, with the +7 agility to it it helps get the crtical up for my twink hunter. If you put +15 agil enchant on it then you got yourself some serious agility on your hands and critical chances. In any case love this thing.
评论来自
Thottbot
I feel this is one of the best off handers for lvl 19 twink rogues, if u get 15 agi on this bad boy it will give u 22agi thats about 2.34 crit and its fast ppl may say u should just use crulbarb but its slow and has no buffs other then attack power so get this 1 its worth it.
grab a sword and fight the horde
评论来自
Thottbot
Yes, Unique =( Sad, isn't it. I wouldnt mind having 2 of these for 14 agility and adding +15 to each for 44 agility on just the weapons. Damn you Blizzard!
评论来自
Thottbot
This weapon has beautiful stats for its level. I'm still using it as an off-hand on my 51 hunter! I wouldn't recommend that to anyone but I simply haven't found a weapon with better agility during my travels, and I don't melee except to plant wing clip so the dps isn't important to me.
评论来自
Thottbot
im kinda new to the game.. im just wondering whether this is good for a warr tank with a sheild? or can anyone suggest a better one at around this lvl? thnx
评论来自
Thottbot
you can only have 1 of them on you so get shadowfang and this with 15 agility on both and you good yo go
评论来自
Thottbot
Ya this is a awesome blade got fiery on it and gonna use stinging viper in other hand.
评论来自
Thottbot
Would this be good on OH with a Hunter and Butchers Slicer as MH?
评论来自
Thottbot
i gonna get it on my twink rogue got shadowfang and cruel barb but i got assasins blade in bag to so i need a fast of hand when i to ambuch=) CHEERS!
评论来自
Thottbot
Yeah, Uhm, Okay..
I know, Theif's Blade, is 1.7 Speed, and Assassin's Blade is 1.9 speed, so wouldn't it make sense to have;
Assassin's Blade (MH) (+15 Agility/+4 Weapon DMG)
Thief's Blade (OH) (+15 Agility)
All together, agreed, you wont be hitting 600 Crits, but you'll be hitting a #$%^ loadd more than any other twink, and by the time they have their 600 crit, you'll have hit around 800.
And it'll be in a sequence, after both your weapons has hit, you wont be waiting two seconds for your weapons to hit again, it'll be
*hit* *hit* ((0.2 second break)) *hit* *hit*
And so on.
Speed does count aswell you know. It's not all about the sacred 600 crit. which only happens once in a blue moon.
I'm just using my common sense, well, what i have of it...
Thanks alot.
评论来自
Thottbot
Ok listen here. Make a 19 agil twink, outfit with chest of westfall, then check how to twink an agil rouge so i dont have to name everything. get Assassins Blade, +15 agil, Shadowfang, +15 agil, and then this weapon, Thiefs Blade, +15 agil. get the outfiter addon, when u go stealth if u set it up correctly u will automaticly change 2 Assassins Blade in MH and Thiefs Blade in OH. ambush crits with a good agil rouge will be upper 400s - 520s. once u ambush or backstab, u will break stealth making it so u again equip SF MH, TB OH. and then ur back to 200 sinister strike crits.
Likethecrits
-Aerie Peak
评论来自
Thottbot
A guy brought up an excellent point on the Assasains Blade page. People are always fighting over how daggers rogues are better or sword rogues are better. Make a macro, when killing one persone, use the macro for daggers, when killing mobs, use the macro for swords.
评论来自
Thottbot
This droped 3 times for in a row i think they ar easy to get
评论来自
Thottbot
theifs blade is best offhand ask any famous twink.
评论来自
Thottbot
this < cruel barb for a rogue?
评论来自
Thottbot
I say if your not going to twink at all on your character not at any given moment until maybe 69 this weapon will last you maybe up to lvl 40 if ur a hunter, the 7 agi is far best then any other item you may come into contact to along your leveling for 1h weapons, i made a hunter got him to 47 and just 2 lvls ago i found a 1h weapon to replace it Vorpal dagger of Agility. of course it was a waste considerin the fact that at lvl 48 im gonna use the +11 pvp dagger from umm WSG i believe.
total wrapup- this will last a non-twink awhile
评论来自
Thottbot
This is the best 19 twink OH weapon for rogues.
Rogue-Cruel Barb MH thiefs blade OH. Cruel barb does the damage Theifs blade doesnt do a load of damage but it does have +7 agility which does a lot for a 19.
评论来自
Allakhazam
hey all.. it has the merchant sell price so presuably i can buy it but which merchant sells this (or the assasin's blade)? ive looked everywhere! please help...
thanks
also i went to the DM (VC) yesterday with my 20 rogue... by mistake, i took a blue axe (i thought it was a mace and only realised when i came out). i feel really bad and want to give it to the other person who rolled need... it binds when picked up so does this mean i cant give it away, evn if the person is the same lvl as me?
sorry if these queries are really stupid
评论来自
Allakhazam
no offense but that fist thread needs a spell check
评论来自
Allakhazam
This is a very good off hand sword for a rogue until they get a better one. I am at 26 and still have it in my offhand, but I am working on a new one (Naraxis' fang)
Its fast and currently it is faster than my mainhand dagger ( I forgot what it is). But then again I think a slower mainhand dagger is suppse to be better.
Definitly a rogue sword. Don't know might be good for another class.
评论来自
Allakhazam
i also use this on my hunter just got yesterday from my friend running 70 human Pally through VC its prty nice
__________________________________________________________________________________
lvl 24 dwarf hunter
lvl 14 gnome rogue
lvl 20 gnome lock
Edited, Jan 27th 2008 10:31am by HalOwEEn^&*!@
评论来自
Allakhazam
if you have two charictors then use them if they are on the same sever then you can mail your other carictor stuff and monye if you have an iteam that you whant to enchant go pick up an enchantment skill aw to bad you have to skills you cant give up wait your other charictor can learn hes on the same sever great he can learn just mail the iteam
评论来自
Allakhazam
YA IM BASICALLY THE BEST BMX RIDER HERE SHEVEN ELVEN O UR GAY
评论来自
Allakhazam
erm, what am i doing here?
Edited, Nov 22nd 2007 2:50pm by kizzahunt
评论来自
Shyftyr
This is now BiS for 19 twink rogues in the Offhand. Throw 15 agility on it and you have a 22 agility stat stick offhand.
Many would argue for a Shadowfang in the Offhand, as it is now One-Handed, but the fact that Off Hand has a massive chance to miss makes a quicker sword with stats much more preferable.
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