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A significant upgrade from the
Wrynn Dynasty Greaves
. +137 armor, +25 stamina before sockets. The socket bonuses are the same, so it is up to the user how they want to socket, but unlike the Greaves, these leggings have a blue socket. A paladin tank in need of a little extra avoidance can socket a
+8 dodge rating gem
, a
stamina/defense gem
, and then a
+12 stamina gem
and come out with pants that are:
1406 armor
97 stamina
+8 dodge rating
+28 defense rating
+30 shield block rating
+59 shield block value
A very significant upgrade over the Greaves. The other nice thing (for warriors especially) is that these pants have a significant amount of block value. Warriors will obviously like that for threat generation, but even paladins should maintain a respectable level of blocking to help smooth incoming damage. Remember, in 25-man raids, it's not about increasing the amount of damage
you can avoid
, it's increasing the amount of damage
you can take
.
For tankadins who have their
T4 leggings
as well, I still recommend these for heavy hitting bosses, with the T4 set being good for aggro generation on trash mobs.
评论来自
duckncover
If you look at the new badge rewards individually, they certainly can look like sidegrades at best. However, when you swap around a few pieces, you can get a great set of benefits. Here is a summary I posted on my guild forums:
New:
Unwavering Legguards
- 75 Badges. +5 Def Rating, +25 Sta, +139 AC, +30 Block Rating, +59 Block Value - -24 Str, -29 Dodge Rating
Old:
Wrynn Dynasty Greaves
- Curator.
Raid:
Destroyer Legguards
- Fathom-Lord Karathress.
New:
Bracers of the Ancient Phalanx
- 35 Badges. +8 Def Rating, +12 Sta, +69 AC, +22 Expertise Rating - -33 Block Value
Old:
Vambraces of Courage
- Attumen.
Raid:
Wristguards of Determination
- Void Reaver.
New:
Iron-tusk Girdle
- 60 Badges. +9 Sta, +88 AC, +33 Dodge Rating - -3 Def Rating, -20 Block Rating, -16 Str
Old:
Crimson Girdle of the Indomitable
- Moroes.
Raid:
Girdle of the Invulnerable
- Leotheras the Blind.
Overall: +10 Def Rating, +46 Sta, +296 AC, +10 Block Rating, +16 Block Value, +4 Dodge Rating, +22 Expertise Rating - -40 Str
评论来自
29050
New in patch 2.3, purchasable for 75
Badge of Justice
from
G'eras
评论来自
Gorger
These are actually pretty close to Destroyer tanking legs. They actually have quite a lot more stam and block value (for threat) than t5. Destroyer is better overall, as it has strength and higher avoidance (through agility and higher defense), but these are actually the clear winner in terms of hp gain.
Bottom line is, if you're in a guild that doesn't do SSC, there is no other option remotely close in the game. These are amazing. I may still wear them over t5 just because the insane stam.
评论来自
99552
This pants are by far the best tanking upgrade from the new badge rewards. They are a side grade to tier 6 equivalent pants
Praetorian's Legguards
and better than
tier 6 pants
.
I have had 75 badges saved up for them since I saw them on the PTR and will be buying them as soon as the realms come back up!
评论来自
Adobe
I wouldn't go so far as to say that these are better than Tier 6, but I will say I feel these are an upgrade to Tier 5. The block value on these is a thing of beauty. No item points are wasted on strength or agility. While they have lower defense rating than the Destroyer Legguards, anything over 490 is wasted points that could be more economically spent towards the actual attributes you want increased (dodge, parry, block). It's great to see that the Zul'Aman and badge gear seems to be shying away from wasted points.
评论来自
52664
If you're farming heroics for the hundreds of badges you need post-2.3, you definitely want to maximize your Block Value.
This one of the best +Block Value items you can get, pre-Zul'Aman and 25-man raids.
Your BV shopping list:
155 BV - Shield of Impenetrable Darkness -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=28606
- KZ
59 BV - Gnomeregan Auto-Blocker 600 -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=29387
- 41 BoJ's
59 BV - Unwavering Legguards -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=33515
- 75 BoJ's
39 BV - Panzar'Thar Breastplate -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=28597
- KZ
39 BV - Dath'Remar's Ring of Defense -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=28265
- Mech
38 BV - Farstrider Defender's Cloak -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=29385
- 25 BoJ's
38 BV - Iron Gauntlets of the Maiden -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=28518
- KZ
33 BV - Vambraces of Courage -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=28502
- KZ
30 BV - Sabatons of the Righteous Defender -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=33523
- 60 BoJ's
29 BV - Steam-Hinge Chain of Valor -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=27792
- SV
29 BV - Sha'tari Vindicator's Waistguard -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=31460
- Shat Quest
15 BV - Protector's Mark of the Redemption -
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=31078
- SMV Quest
563 Block Value total
*3/3 Shield Spec'd: 732 Block Value
732 damage off each hit is massive. Turn on the Auto-blocker and you take 992 off each block. 8 Holy Shield blocks and that's a whopping 7,932 damage mitigated -- nothing to laugh at.
Note that generally choosing block value itemization will lower your overall avoidance. Make sure you fill up your other item slots/sockets with enough to reach uncrittable/uncrushable.
评论来自
45811
This is easier to gem for the socket bonus than
Wrynn Dynasty Greaves
Can even toss in a
Charmed Amani Jewel
= 15 stamina (Zul'Aman quest gem that is trivial to get) and lose only 3 stamina over 3 x solid stars.
评论来自
104621
i`d socket them with
Regal Tanzanite
,
Rigid Dawnstone
, and a
Charmed Amani Jewel
. ending up with 8 hitrating and 5 dodgerating more then if you got 2x12sta and 1x15sta gem and you only loose 12sta. or if you haven`t used your
Defender's Tanzanite
use that one instead of the dodge gem.
评论来自
91608
How do these compare against the new legs added in 2.4 for 100 badges?
评论来自
167544
Sunguard Legplates vs Unwavering Legguards
» Sunguard Legplates (
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=34940
)
» Unwavering Legguards (
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=33515
)
Let’s Talk about Trinkets!?
What do trinkets have to do with comparing these two leg pieces? Nothing and perhaps everything.
Sunguard Sextant
138 Armor
21 Defense Rating
35 Dodge Rating
23 Expertise Rating
Icon of Unwavering
10 Stamina
30 Block Rating
59 Block Value
Which trinket would you use?
If I make the Sunguard one cost 25 badges more than the Unwavering trinket, does that change your decision? Should the cost of an item even matter to you? Not really.
This is the best way I know to show you the difference between arguably the best Pre-Sunwell Legs in the game and a pair you wear to just muck around on trash.
评论来自
182838
Update on max BV gear (warriors):
Head:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=33421
- 51 BV
Neck:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=27792
- 29 BV
Shoulders:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=34192
- 68 BV
Back:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=29385
- 38 BV
Chest:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=29012
- 45 BV
Wrists:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=28502
- 33 BV
Hands:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=30114
- 44 BV
Waist:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=32333
- 56 BV
Legs:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=33515
- 59 BV
Feet:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=33191
- 47 BV
Ring#1:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=29297
- 44 BV
Ring#2:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=34213
- 42 BV
Trinket#1:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=29387
- 59 BV + 33 Active AVG
Trinket#2:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=19431
- 24 BV
Shield:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=34185
- 225 BV
Warrior max BV gear total: 897 BV
Pally:
Chest:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=30123
- 51 BV (+6)
Hands:
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=28390
- 39 BV (-5)
Pally max BV gear total: 898 BV
Leg + Head enchants :
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=19782
- 15 Block Value X 2
Shield enchant :
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/spell=27944
- 18 Block Value
Enchants max = 48 BV
评论来自
Thottbot
I replaced my Wrynn Dynasty with these on my warrior gained close to 400 hp and almost 3% block. Very nice imo I wanna pick up the belt next.
评论来自
Thottbot
Assuming you put 3 +12 stam gems in each (just meaning equal amounts of stam for each leg piece from sockets), the Wrynn Dynasty Greaves give 84 stam while these give 109 stam. How do you get a 400 hp increase out of that? These are great pants and I will upgrade to them, but I only expect the 250 hp increase from the 25 stam difference. Unless there is something that I am unaware of.
评论来自
Thottbot
+40 Sta leg armor kit.
https://www.cuckhead.com/wotlk/item=29536/
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评论来自
Thottbot
raid buffed: base increase of 25sta + 10% kings + 5% vitality = ~290 HP and probably diff gems. Probably just a visual rounding error, like 14750 (before) looks like 14.7k, and 15040 (after upgrade) in his eyes looks like 15.1K.
The guy mentions a gain of 3% block rating, a useless stat for raid maintanking, and he totally neglected that you lose ~1.5% dodge from the wrynn.
Aside from that, when compared to wrynn, it is an increase in Effective Health (>armor, >sta)
I am definitely picking these up on my warrior for tanking heroics, for the block value/rating. With a shield spike on my retired Coldarra shield, I tank heroics like a prot pally (ie: tanking entire rooms with no CC) Blocking = threat since they take damage from your blocks. This, along with the skull-on-a-stick shoulders I got from ZA, is going to be a big increase in my block set.
Not sure about raid, as I'd be losing my 4-piece bonus.
评论来自
Thottbot
Finally picked these up tonight, instead of the 3xSSoE I went
Regal Tanzanite (heroic gem)
Solid Star of Elune
Enduring Talasite
To get the 6 stam socket bonus: cost of 6 STA over 3xSSoE, for 4def, 5 dodge, I can deal with that slight loss of 6STA. (I'm gemmed for stam in everything else, except where I get a good stam bonus, like Khorium Destroyer)
Blocking 602 before these legs, can't wait to see my new block and my new high Shield Slam crits, this'll probably put me consistantly over 2k shield slam crits.
edit: yup, blocking 717 and have topped 2k shield slam crit. We did VR last night and I wanted to see how much 'face time' I could get over our pally and druid tank (the warrior tank i knew I would leave in the dust). I took aggro first and had it for about 75% of the fight, once I lost aggro, my huge shield slams would put me right back up there... "Hey looks like I got aggro again" lol
unbuffed: 6.6%miss/17.3%dod/16.6%par/43%blk with 717 blocking.
=======
and saw a real idiot post after mine: ur the idiot, lrn2read
Paragraph 2: Shield Block RATING.
nubcakes, i said shield block RATING is useless for raid maintanking bosses with standard swing timer. Never said SBV is useless - it's very important for threat production.
you have an ability called Shield Block raising your SBR by 75%
looking at my unbuffed stats now:
7% boss miss
27% dodge
19% parry
23% block = 76%
only need 26.4% more to be uncrushable (to get to 102.4%) without using Shield Block ability. With those stats above and Shield Block active, I'd still be uncrushable even with 0 passive SBR (id be at 53+75=128%) SBR IS USELESS for single target tanking (except light hitting, fast attack bosses which will eat thru your SB charges)
You use SB every cooldown and you will never get crushed (except due to lag and boss parries which speeds up his next attack by 40% - 3 attacks during 1 shield block will burn thru your block charges, I get about 2 hits and 2 crushes for Mag for instance)
SBR is USELESS since you will have your Shield Block ability up all the time, when it's not up you will always have that 15% chance of a crush, until you are passively
uncrushable
- (miss + dodge + parry + block=102.4%)
You CAN'T passively block a crush, the hit table doesn't work like that. Check out
tankspot
if you are confused.
When Shield Block is not active, you can only turn a normal Hit into a blocked attack, Crushing Blow is unaffected by SBR (til you get over 102.4 see below)
I said NOTHING about SBV being useless in tanking, it's the best attribute for threat generation.
At best, SBR has it's uses, but an exception than the rule, like fast attacking raid bosses
As for the rest of your post, I have no idea what you are trying to say because you say "shield block" instead of SBR or SBV.
As far as your "Where there is SBR there is SBV" no that is not the case, there is gear with SBV and no SBR and vice versa. Offhand: Figurine of the Colossus, and Shifting Ages cloak and a badge cloak.
If something had SBR and no SBV it's useless for the SBR unless you are specifically trying to do something with blocking (ie: when I go to SMV and
farm 30 demon hunter initiates with a spiked lichen guard shield
) IN THAT CASE SBR IS VERY USEFUL... but that isn't a raid boss encounter, now is it?
As far as 'too much dodge' well that comes with the gear, I gem for stam. And for those times when boss parries and gets his next attack 40% faster, that's 3 attacks within one Shield Block cooldown - that 53% pure avoidance can help me avoid 1 of the 3 attacks, then I won't take 3 hits - the last being without a Shield Block charge up, a potential crush...
评论来自
Thottbot
I just wanted to set the record straight on shield block rating. It isn't a useless stat for raiding, but you have to pick the right thing for the right time.
The vast majority of progression warrior tanks for major raid guilds stack stamina. The reason for this is that it provides a decent amount of survivability against most bosses, and gives the healers reasonably stable damage to heal through - it isn't spiky. An avoidance tank will take less damage overall through a fight, and therefore be more mana efficient for the healers, but the damage will be much more spiky and you rely on the quality of your healers a lot more.
However, there are some fights where avoidance is much more important. Firstly, normal warrior uncrushability is predicated upon a weapon speed on the boss of at least 2.5. Any faster than that and it is possible for shield block charges to be burnt through before the cooldown is off, at this point the warrior will take crushes. In some fights its even worse since the boss might have another ability that chews through shield block charges. Take Morogrim in SSC for example. His earthquake ability chews through shield block charges, he is a fast hitting boss, and parry mechanics can make that faster. Despite always keeping shield block up when it was off cooldown, I found in my high stamina boss gear that I was getting crushed 3 times in a row at least once a fight - which was an insta-nuke. Basically if earthquake took my shield block charges at a similar time to the boss parrying, I was screwed. At this point, I switched to a set where I was striving for passive crush immunity (with buffs I was still 6% short), and instantly Morogrim was on farm. We went from routine wipes, often before Morogrim was at 75%, to farm status simply by switching to a set of armour that stacked avoidance.
Now, why is that important. Well it turns out that shield block rating is the most efficient stat going to help achieve passive crush immunity. You get 1% less crush/hit from each of the following stats: 15 def, 30 agi, 19 dodge, 24 parry and 8 block rating. So if you are striving to be passive crush immune for particular fights - take block rating above anything else. Otherwise, stick to the usual stamina loading.
Fights where I use high passive crush immunity armour include: Morogrim MT, and Olm OT (since the change to fear mechanics mean he can chain crush whilst you are death-coiled).
评论来自
Thottbot
I see these legging are better than wrynn and t4 legging.
but I just was wondering which is better: t5 legging or these?
coz t5 has less stam and SBV, but more SBR, def and armor.
Which one should I choose?
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