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There's a reason these have been nicknamed "Gloves of Rapid Disenchantment." How these qualify as an epic quality item is beyond me. I know spirit has it's place, and can be particularly useful to certain spec'd priests, but there are far superior +healing or +dmg gloves out there to compensate the spirit.
评论来自
Asher
Primary use for long boss fights because of the extreme amounts of spirit.
They are of most use to a Druid with 3 pieces of Stormrage Raiment or a Priest with Meditation and/or 3 pieces of Vestments of Transcendence -- since the player will then regenerate more mana (3 mana per 5 sec. with 15% bonus and 6 mana per 5 sec. with 30% bonus)
评论来自
Thottbot
Spirit is a very nice stat and we already have gloves that are a nice mix of healing, +mana every 5, spirit and int (gloves of prophecy, which I have and think are better than these gloves personaly). For priests that want a very high spirit build these gloves rock.
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Thottbot
This is best for Druid and to lesser extend Paladin and Shamen (healing setup equip). Priests have a better item available more easily.
Gloves of Prophecy:
10 sta
15 int
15 spi
7 FR
6 mana per tick
18 per heal
So the only place these are better is 17 more Spirit. If you are the target of innervate then you will cast a lot of spells and if you cast a lot of spells then
you spend more time casting spells so mana per tick is nice 18 extra hp per heal starts to add up your limiting factor becomes the agro you generate not your mana.
It is not like prophecy has no spirit, these gloves have 17 more spi, that is 4.25 mana per tick at rest, 0.6 MPT while casting (with optimal talents). It also represents 68 mana per Innervate you recieve. Even if you gain 5 Innervates over a five minute fight you gain more mana from Prophecy than from these and Prophecy have +18 to heals, 7 FR and set bonus.
Spirit tap is a non-issue for most boss fights so basicaly these only start to look viable to a priest if you are expecting to get more than one Innervate per minute and even then only for fights where healer agro is not an issue.
Druids, paladins and shamen get much more benefit as their equivalent epic item is less oriented to mana regeneration (i.e. they dont have 6 MPT). The Shamen set bonuses are good for healing so I suspect that only Druids and Paladins would realy be interested.
NOTE:
I'm not saying you can't 'roll' if you are a priest or that you don't 'deserve' the item. I'm saying that for a tight raiding crew where you want loot to be distributed efficiently and fairly a Priest should pass on these and wait to get the superior Prophecy item.
评论来自
Thottbot
First off, spirit is an extremely good stat for a priest and it does not diminish after 300.
Having meditation and 3 peices of transcendance can make spirit a pretty godly stat. I try to get as much spirit as I can.
HOWEVER...
What happens if you take off your prophecy gloves for these?
You gain:
2 stamina
17 spirit
You lose:
3 intellect
6 mana regen per 5 seconds
+18 to healing spells
7 fire resist
17 spirit is 1.275 per 2 seconds while you are in 5 second rule IF you have 3 peices of trans AND meditation. This equates to 3.1875 mana per 5 seconds.
Outside of five second rule, it is 4.25 mana per 2 seconds. This equates to 10.625 mana per 5 seconds.
So basically the 17 spirit is less powerful than the 6 mana regen unless you are not casting many heals and therefore are out of five second rule for a fairly large portion of the fight. (and this is rare).
So not even factoring in the extra 3 intellect, the 7 fire resist, and the 18 heal power, prophecy is already a better item.
Bottom Line
These gloves are a good item, but anyone in blackwing lair probably already has prophecy gloves from molten core, which are actually a lot better. If I still had blue gloves I would pay dkp for these gloves in a heartbeat, but since most BWL healers already have prophecy, most guilds will only see these gloves as nexus crystals.
评论来自
Thottbot
Gloves of Rapid Disenchantment is more like it. My guild has a ton of Nexus Crystals... Drop the Untamed already, geez... >.<
评论来自
Thottbot
with the new holy priest talent as of 1.10, Spiritual Guidance. With 5 points in this talent it will add 25% of your total spirit to +damage/healing, making these gloves VERY attractive to a holy priest.
评论来自
Thottbot
gloves of rapid disenchantment?
评论来自
Thottbot
Post 1.10 if a priest has 5/5 in Spiritual Guidance talent, these gloves effectively have +8 dmg/heal spells plus the high mana regen. Just something to consider. Yes, gloves of Prophecy are generally better overall. However these gloves are better IF you are in a healing rotation and have time to regen.
评论来自
Thottbot
These are geared for those priests that are hard up for spirit. Stacking every piece you have with a ton of spirit might make for some interesting game play for PVP etc. These would at least be fun to play around with. But using as your main healing gloves or proph or trans would be a bit silly.
评论来自
Allakhazam
omg i want those gloves! we just can´t finish Razor :( we always wipe at 10% or so...
btw SPIRIT ROCKS! i got a spirit priest with 500 Spirit, and i am NEVER oom! that is so incredible!
30%regen while casting means for me 100mana per second + those items that give mana all 5secs -> NEVER oom!
评论来自
Allakhazam
Gloves of prophecy vs Gloves of rapid evolution
AC 63 vs 70
int 15 vs 12
spi 15 vs 32
sta 10 vs 12
fr 7 vs 0
regen 6 vs 0
heal 18 vs 0
When converting spirit into manaregen/5sec we get:
/2*5 + 6 vs /2*5
==> 47,875 (prophecy) vs 52,5 (rapid evolution)
So manaregen while not casting any spell is slightly higher with rapid evolution, but since spirit only regens 15-30% while casting:
==> 6,28 + 6 = 12,28 (prophecy with 15% regen)
vs
==> 7,875 (rapid evolution with 15% regen)
or
==> 12,56 + 6 = 18,56 (prophecy with 30% regen)
vs
==> 15,75 (rapid evolution with 30% regen)
So by sacrificing 7 fire resistance, 45 mana, +18 healing you get +20hp +7ac and worse manaregen while casting.
Conclusion : Priests stay away from this unless you still have devout.
评论来自
Allakhazam
We got spirit, how about you?
Pushing 300 spirit on my up and coming Shadow Priest. When I have magewater, with spirit tap, I can get a full manabar(440+ mana/tick) in just a few moments when I get a killing blow. This is GREAT for PvP or faction grinding. When in an instance such as BWL, the supression room especially, where timing is critical, this makes mana'ing up that much faster.
I'm very pleased with them over the Shadowy Laced Handwraps I used to wear.
These have dropped 2 out of 3 times from Razorgore for my guild. I probably spent WAY too much on them, but I was the first to get them, and I'm a happy customer. That's what DKP is all about, right? Greed? :)
Edited, Mon Mar 13 15:31:28 2006
评论来自
Allakhazam
Spirit rocks in pve. If you damage/heal in bursts that is
评论来自
Allakhazam
Oh boy, spirit
评论来自
Allakhazam
Well... considering my guild is far enough into BWL to get Trans Gloves, these gloves are... well... barf.
They are the most common drop we get after Razorgore too.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Well.. theese might me a little more sought after when 1.10 gets implemented.. Since u actually have a talent that gives dmg/healing+ with spirit..
评论来自
Allakhazam
lol maq you should put your mind to something other than finding mana regen...you can do anything thats pretty smart stuff
评论来自
Allakhazam
Gloves of Rapid Disenchantment.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Haha, those who says that spirit suck is plain stupid. These gloves rock if you have talents on spiritual guidance. And with 3 transendence bonus set and 5 points on meditation, you have mana enough to keep healing for a very long time. If you are just ignoring the spirit and only goes for the intellect, then i feel sorry for you.
评论来自
Allakhazam
I have these, but rarely use them because I already have Gloves of Dark wisdom...I never have a issue with regain so these normaly stay in my bag.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Got them today, ended up spending 650dkp which means around 2 mc runs (we divide it) like I said in that post. Gonna snap out of lazy-mode and get a +20spr on my dancing sliver instead of 9 and this will boost me for sure.
评论来自
Allakhazam
The spirit on these are pretty hot, but i would NEVER trade them over from my gloves of prophecy. I would use them for a secondary set, hence, not worth the DKP.
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Allakhazam
Says the warrior
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Allakhazam
Spirit still sucks -.-
评论来自
Allakhazam
Me want, kindof. Wouldn't spend more than 2 full mc raids points on it though. still, pretty awsome.
评论来自
Allakhazam
I have these on my druid, all the preists that wanted them were released at the time razorgore died, its over 120 spirit when I innervate myself, including regen while casting, I can almost get a full mana bar from innervate now
评论来自
Allakhazam
I'm not saying spirit's not without its merits, but these are known as the "Gloves of Rapid Disenchantment" in my guild. Heh.
评论来自
Allakhazam
I love these gloves. They are very good. Although on fights like instructor in Naxx or places where I chain heal alot... they arent that great... so I do swap them for mana/5 gear.
The key to making these gloves.. let alone spirit worth it is to not heal if noone is taking dmg... alot of priests in early on raids just spam heal and never stop... then they go OOM and say spirit sucks.... With 350 spirit (when not using my soulkeeper with 20 spirit) I regen enough mana in my gear to get 106 mana ever 2 secs.... (Raid buffed around 112) And I have the darkmoon card which procs all the time for me.... And if you use the darkmoon with spell timing properly... you can do some sick regen (1 time w/o innervate I regened 400% of my 8k mana pool in 6-7 min fight and still had more then 20% mana at the end)
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Allakhazam
These are very good. If you get 3point transcendence without your transcendence gloves use these instead. Way better.
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