The new elements we can find on the alpha are to my eyes a really interesting interpretation and follow-up of the changes in what our characters know but also in the lore of WoW. It is truly "gray", with a greater focus of people individually or collectively doing what they feel is right, rather than because it is right in a meta level. Villains can be still be stopped but their reasons are better understandable (for example, the primalists views are largely justified but we have many reasons to disagree with). Heroes are still heroes, for their people. It paint a realism that don't dwelve on being gritty, but on the acts.I also think it is tying well to some subtext of the Dragonflight Expansion, finding its place in a world we don't recognize, or discovering this world was false. Like the dracthyrs have to find their own destiny and each weyrn has its view, adventurers and kings will slowly gain a bigger view of the universe... and what to do with that, being playing god or resigning against a fate, or choosing their own side, magic or morality.
Ah yes. The Black Empire. Who literally drives people insane. Isn't so bad. This makes sense.
if we have to go deeper into first ones lore i think that's pretty neat way to do thatwe already knew that chronicles written from titans POV, we already knew that odyn is an a**hole why not add to it a little bit of propaganda? It's not invalidating 20 years of lore like a Jailer shenanigans.This can work!
I really like this! They've hinted that the chronicles aren't historically accurate but just events told through the lens of the titans who obviously want to control the narrative as much as possible. It's especially interesting that Odyn was so keen to hide the Black Empires advancements. It doesn't necessarily mean that they're good guys, but that they've accomplished some feats that would make joining their cult seem more palatable. I can't wait to find out what was hidden from us.all my homies hate odyn
This lore where everything is gray has potential, hopefully they keep developing it
I'm wondering if what we're doing as a real impact on the cosmical scale, or if it just really matters from Azeroth POV. Lastly we have put an halt to the Burning Legion (not decimated but still), got rid of Old Gods on Azeroth and stopped the Jailer, so it could have given an advantage to Order, Light, and Life cosmic forces? But since we also know they aren't necessarily benevolent, should we then push back also those cosmic forces in the forseeable future ? Like, kill (or imprison or whatever) Odyn, stop Yrel's crusade (they could make her come back with an infinite dragonflight shenanigan), or any other thing like that...
Odin always seems a bit arrogant, but let us all amend his personality summary: What an a$$hole.
There’s been some salacious videos and posts saying the lore is invalidated by this and that is absurd. If you know the myths then you’d know an adaptation of Odin is going to be 100% jerk and Odyn is exactly that. That was never secret and was clearly visible in all of the lore presented in Legion. Also it has always been clear that there is far more we don’t know than we do so anyone arguing retcons over cosmological lore is willfully obtuse. Continuing to present that things aren’t as they seemed and nothing is flatly good or evil beyond our own actions is a compelling story and I’m here for it.
I hope they make a Black Empire expansion. 8.3 was vision of N'zoth and we didn't see real Ny'alotha. Come on Blizz! You can do it!
wait recons over retcons over retcons or is this jus a "we can ignore this"?because over explaining and retconing stuff will get them in a corner that eventually will need a HARD reboot or it not gonna work anymore
Ah yes, it is only fascists that insisted on obedience, definitely not just an authoritarian thing at all.
Anyone else getting Dark Souls vibes from this new lore?
I don't know how I feel about it, Odin's behavior is well.... expected ? and I would even dare say it looks cool but in contrast to that I hate the way they try to diminish the Titans or force "The First Ones" into everythingThe Black Empire being bad but not horrible as said is not much for me either, but isn't the Titans being creators of the universe basically the basis of World of Warcraft lore?I feel like Blizzard can't progress the story without breaking the foundation of their own universe.
To me, the writing is so heavy-handed.For example, '' Paint that age as one of chaos and misery ''. Really ? Who talks like that when they want to hide something. How about '' That age was one of chaos and misery, and anybody saying otherwise is obviously perturbed. '' I don't know. Just a quick thought. '' Attribute all accomplishments and works of wonder to the titans alone. '' Come on dude. Maybe something like '' All accomplishments and works of wonder, at the end, come down to the works of the titans alone '' ? Sounds like such a mustache-twirling villain. No subtlety.It's just my opinion, so take it with a grain of salt, but I think it's such bad storytelling. The whole thing. You want to push the story in a very specific direction, we get it. So obvious, unsubtle, overdone.And yeah, before anybody says it, I'm a whiny b. I want a good story. To me, this reads ''Hey guys, World of Warcraft team here. Just want to make a quick addition to the lore. Odyn was bad, and a propagandist, and hid stuff from you. Thank you. See you in the Dragon Isles. '' Same energy.
Rare look at some editorial marks Odyn provided to Azeroth's historians: "The Void is a force of corrupting and destructive influence, driving mortals to violence and spreading suffering wherever possible, but they really pushed architecture forward. Those temples are sick."