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评论来自
5487
This is a great dagger for offhand for any DW class. One of the best before raids. Well worth the effort to get to baron.
评论来自
7073
Good offhand dagger for rogues pre MC. It drops of Baron Rivendare in stratholme (Undead Side).
评论来自
Thottbot
It's fast. VERY fast.
It has a low maximum dmg.
It is "One-Hand", not "Main Hand"
Conclusion = Fast Offhand-Dagger for applying some poison to your enemies, while you have a slow, high maximum dmg weapon in your main hand ... (I'm using Skullforge Reaver as mainhand weapon, since I'm lacking a better one right now)
Arr, I say. ARRRRR ! 1^^
评论来自
Thottbot
Hey Rogues, if any bow or gun that gives you a bonus to attack power, base %'s, or stats drops, roll on it!
After all, that attack power will add maybe a fraction of a damage point to your high end melee damage!
Here are some candidates:
Ancient Bone Bow, gives rogues +11 Agility!
https://www.cuckhead.com/tbc/item=37260
Striker's Mark, +22 Attack power! improves your chance to hit by 1%, a rogue drop if i ever saw one!
https://www.cuckhead.com/tbc/item=27150/61-test-green-rogue-hunter-cloak
Burstshot Harquebus, +10 Attack power! Damn rogues, drool, that's at least 0.5 extra DPS, it's time to roll!
https://www.cuckhead.com/tbc/item=13248/
爆击火枪
Since Hunters feel the need to roll on every item they can use,
Axes, Bows, Crossbows, Daggers, Fist Weapons, Guns, Spears, Staves, Swords, Thrown, Two-Handed Axes, or Two-Handed Swords, and because rogues can really only use one weapon they've specialized in in melee, we owe it to our greedy hunter friends to start rolling on bows, guns, and crossbows!
Go ahead, roll on a really good ranged weapon when there are hunters in your party, it FEELS GREAT! When they complain, just explain how you really "needed" it because the stat bonuses apply to melee.
And don't forget, that little attack power or stat bonus could REALLY help you in a pinch when you are in melee if you have a good ranged weapon in your rogue arsenal!
评论来自
Thottbot
Any good master looter will realize what is at hand with an item such as the one we see here.
You look at the bottom line in terms of how the class thats rolling on the item will use it. Both classes, in this case, have valid points for rolling.
Hunters: fast attack, more chances for wingclip landing, more attacks in the small amount of time he gets close to you. attack power for his ranged weapon dps.
Rogues: fast attack, great for off-hand, providing more chances to proc poisons. attack power for dps.
The one thing that would push this item over the edge for rogues is the fact that the class relies on melee DPS for their combat. Hunters on the other hand have a bow/gun for main attacks, making this clearly a rogue-over-hunter item...
If no rogues are present or the rogues pass, go for it hunter!
评论来自
Thottbot
I just got this about a week ago, I think it's a great replacement for the Lifeforce Dirk (rogue, using in offhand). I was just wondering if you rogues out there thought it was worth a +15 agility enchant. I currently put a +4 damage on it.
评论来自
Thottbot
Ninja'd by a druid against 2 rogues.
评论来自
Thottbot
would duel wielding two of these be a good idea? :S
评论来自
Thottbot
Warrior equivalent = 15str
A rogue needs 30 of str/agi to match it.
A Hunter needs 15agi to match it.
All before we take into account crit/dodge. These things are nice for a Fury Warrior, nice for a hunter, insane for a rogue.
All roll on it, but think and, tbh a hunter can get more raw AP out of Lightning reflexes and 2xBone-slicers (33.8ap), which come from the same instance.
评论来自
Thottbot
Another rogue vs hunter vs warrior weapon thread
/sigh
评论来自
Allakhazam
49 runs and counting. Ive never even seen it drop. I think its a myth.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Yesterday on my 20th run Baron dropped this and Kilt of Elements. I was sure I had it as I was the only rogue around and rolled my need then.
Then suddenly I notice some extra need rolls on this and the Elements leggings. There was a warrior, priest and Warlock who all rolled on this and Those Elements leggings. Warrior won this and Warlock won those mail leggings.
There is no questioning if they really had use for those items. They just wanted to be complete idiots.
Seems like I've to keep running this instance even more.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Boyfriend got this for his offhand a few days ago. I enchanted it with 15 agility, which I think is the best choice for this dagger. Another good one would be plus 5 damage but it is by no means a "cheap" enchant like someone below suggested. Just look at the mats.
评论来自
Allakhazam
crusader/lifesteal are both great enchants, but knowing that bonescraper wasnt my end-game dagger, i wasnt going to spend 75g on it... instead i ran maraudon one time with my enchanting friend, d/e the blue items, and used the small radiant shards from that to get icy chill... however i recently was given a krol blade, so the bonescraper sits in my first slot in my bag, and the macro to swith weapons gets used while in stealth, then the bonescraper goes back in da bag :)
评论来自
Allakhazam
Fast off hand weapons need proc enchants, not stat enchants.
This is a very nice piece, dropped the same time as my pants, very happy:)
评论来自
Allakhazam
This or distracting dagger? Which is better?
混乱匕首
评论来自
Allakhazam
Dropped yesterday and no one (except me) wanted it so i took it. good offhander for my fury warrior :)
评论来自
Allakhazam
Grabbed it first run about 2 months ago, only rogue.
评论来自
Allakhazam
second time i see it drop i was allmost sure that i would get it but then,, shaman rolls and wins
>< god damnit
评论来自
Allakhazam
nice dagger... finally at lvl 60 i have somethin to replace my gutripper that i bought 19 lvls ago :) works great with icy chill enchant and hopefully will look nice next to the heartseeker im about to get
评论来自
Allakhazam
1.4 speed will give you very low dmg ambush/backstabs/SS/whatever compared to barman shanker, wich can be soloed... this is perfect for off-hand though.
评论来自
Allakhazam
That dagger is kinda "Meh" if used as a main-hand dagger for a Ambush/BS rogue.
Your best bet is to try and get Barmans Shanker.
评论来自
Allakhazam
I've been doing strat UD a while.. Think I'm somewhere around 35 runs now. :-) Rewards so far:
* Shadowcraft Pants
* Skullforge Reaver
* Skullforge Reaver
* Bonescraper
* Bonescraper
* Cape of the Black Baron
++ some other green things, like a +20 fire res. belt.
Strat UD ftw ;-)
评论来自
Allakhazam
Did baron first time last night at 57....He dropped shadowcraft pants and this....I rolled on the pants got 75...other rogue got 76....I got angry then i rolled for this thinking it was a bonesnapper....i win with a 91....check my inv and say WTF.....very nice offhand
Edited, Wed Jun 29 08:13:43 2005
评论来自
Allakhazam
Wich one is better to ambush and bs whit , this or Lifeforce?
评论来自
Allakhazam
I'd take this for my hunter if no rogues wanted it. Compared to the bone slicing hatchet, it's the equivalent in attack power of 2 more agility. The crit from agility is lost, as well as the 5 stamina, but strictly from a PvE damage standpoint, this is superior.
Again, though, I'd give priority to a rogue, just because it's a dagger, even though there's better stuff out there for them. Wouldn't want to be called a ninja for being a hunter. :P
评论来自
Allakhazam
Only rogue in raid FTW! ;D Got it asap :)
I switch between this and krol blade.
评论来自
Allakhazam
Ive gotten Finkles skinner AND this.. but I want SWORDS.. im a sword rogue.. so in the bank it goes. (i was only rogue) Why cant I trade this for skullforge >.<)
评论来自
Allakhazam
bowya finished my first baron run yesterday was sooo lucky i won almost evry green drops and blues from ther mobs and bosses than we came to baron gues what SCpants on my first run bonescreaper dropped with it too but i greeded on it cuz im into swords but that was maybe a bad ID cuz pretty low dropchance i might switch to daggers if i get anepic out of ZG or so today =D
评论来自
Allakhazam
i use this for my offhand, being a troll rogue when i hit slice and dice and beserking (especially with low health) my speed is absolutely insane :D i would reccomend this big time!
评论来自
Allakhazam
25+ runs and counting...
BTW this is offhand dagger, anyone who uses it in mainhand is a retard.
评论来自
Allakhazam
is this dual wield able
评论来自
Allakhazam
what the !@#$ i DEed it and got a nexus crystal! im a lucky *!@#er
评论来自
Allakhazam
Yeah, it's an incredible off-hand weapon since it'll boost main hand backstabs/ambushes/sinister strikes, but the damage is meh for main hand.
As to enchants, personally I put firey on it because I know I'll replace it soon with a heartseeker and because 1.4 attack speed means plenty of procs for 40 damage each. Very fun to turn on Slice 'n' Dice and watch the enemy's sorry ass get burned...
评论来自
Allakhazam
Been running this instance a whole lot, curent lvl 58 and got like 130k exp just running Baron, on my 15th run it dropped this dagger i was the only rogue. But guess what..... some hunter pulled the abomination mob by the gate and i got locked outside , better luck and communication next time I hope.
评论来自
addohm
This plus
混乱匕首
would be pretty dope for tanking Vael, and any other fight where it's hard af to rage starve.
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