Windwalker Monk Hero Talent Showdown in The War Within - Conduit of the Celestials vs. Shado-Pan

The War Within Опубликовано 18.08.2024 в 17:28 Babylonius

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Windwalker Monk in the War WithinPeakofSerenity Monk DiscordHero Talent Showdown: Conduit of the Celestials vs. Shado-pan Небесный проводникСтремительные удары Conduit of the Celestials

Strengths

Weaknesses

Небесный проводникНебесный проводник Shado-pan

Strengths

Weaknesses

What's Changed? Conduit of the Celestials Shado-panСтремительные ударыAnd the Winner Is...

Class Fantasy & Visuals: Conduit of the Celestials (Winner)

While Shado-pan's focus on Martial Arts is closer to the way that Windwalker fights, there's almost no visual flair and the "Class Fantasy" is tangential at best, since the Shado-Pan weren't just Monks. Conduit of the Celestials has a fantastic visual, even though some people think it would be nice if the visual was a bit more active. The problem with Conduit of the Celestials is that Windwalker interacts with the other Celestials after being focused on Xuen for so long. Due to the very very loose connection between Windwalker Monk and Shado-pan, Conduit of the Celestials can be the only winner of this category.

Fun & Rewarding Gameplay: Conduit of the Celestials & Shado-pan (Tie / Toss-Up)

Conduit of the Celestials has the biggest effect on the gameplay, but not everyone will enjoy an extra button and extra cooldown. Some people may prefer the more steady, Windwalker-toolkit-enhancing, and passive nature of Shado-pan, but that just depends on each person's preferences.

Difficulty: Conduit of the Celestials (Winner)

Conduit of the Celestials is the Hero tree that has the most "active" and also has several buffs, like Сердце Нефритовой Змеи and Сила Черного Быка that can have a significant impact on how Windwalker plays. This leads to Conduit of the Celestials having the highest learning curve, but also the highest skill ceiling. Shado-pan is mostly passive, so the only difficulty comes in learning and performing the standard Windwalker stuff. An argument could be made that Shado-pan is difficult because, ideally, you need to track and manage a slew of passive damage bonuses, but for 99.999% of people, that is moot and will lead to more damage loss than just ignoring them and letting it happen.

Defensiveness & Utility: Conduit of the Celestials (Winner)

Conduit of the Celestials has some very strong defensive bonuses with Защита Нюцзао, Нефритовое святилище, and Стремительность Чи-Цзи. Shado-pan has Служить и защищать and Во главе атаки which increase our very low self-healing very slightly, and Стальной вихрь and Тренировка интуиции which are almost completely useless as a Windwalker and are clearly designed with Brewmasters in mind. This category is maybe the biggest no brainer of them all.

Leveling: Conduit of the Celestials (Winner)

The burst damage that comes from Небесный проводник and decently strong defensive bonuses make Conduit of the Celestials the clear winner.

Mythic+: Conduit of the Celestials (Winner)

Similar to leveling, the Mythic+ damage profile tends towards AOE and burst damage, which is Conduit of the Celestials's forte. Shado-pan has potential due to strong priority damage, but is heavily held back by the stack cap.

Raid: Shado-pan (Slight lead)

The damage profile that tends to do best in raid favors Shado-pan's consistent flow of damage. However, there will be fights or situations where the burst from Conduit of the Celestials will fit perfectly and put it ahead of what Shado-pan can do.

Best Overall: Conduit of the Celestials (Winner)

While Shado-pan has seen significant improvements, it's still littered with weird interactions and bugs. There is an above average chance that Shado-pan is the numerically superior option in many circumstances, but also that it may require unhealthy or counterintuitive gameplay to get there. Conduit of the Celestials has the edge in enough categories and is close enough behind in others, that it is the overall best option between the two.

Hero Talent Feedback Conduit of the Celestials

Neither the damage from Небесный проводник nor the damage from the various procs scale with Искусность: серия ударов or Длинная серия. Given the historically large problems that Windwalker has had with scaling, not having such a big damage source scale with Mastery is concerning, even with the additional Haste scaling that Windwalker has in The War Within.

During Сердце Нефритовой Змеи the spec feels frantic and out of control. Changing what spells are affected, such as reducing the cooldown of just Удар Владыки Ветра and Удар крутящегося дракона could help with keeping the spec under control. Similarly, reducing the GCD during this buff, which they seem to be testing out with Мечущийся ураган, would also allow Windwalker to squeeze more into the window and minimize clashes of too many things to press and not enough time. Even with the new grace window, Удар крутящегося дракона is very difficult and awkward to use during Сердце Нефритовой Змеи.

Внутреннее единство doesn't trigger some of the effects from the other talents such as the regeneration bonus of Полет Красного Журавля and the stat changes of Внутренний компас.

The Chi-Ji from Полет Красного Журавля has the tendency to go completely insane and sprint off to far away enemies who aren't in combat, pulling them.

Shado-pan

Вопреки всему has a 20 stack cap, but it is impossible to get anywhere near this cap with Стремительные удары capped at 10.

Стремительные удары seems to have two different damage events that it alternates between without an apparent reason.

Бдительный дозор doesn't stack, so as long as you use Нокаутирующий удар at least once between Стремительные удары then its automatic. Since Стремительные удары gets triggered every 20-25 seconds, it should be impossible not to use Нокаутирующий удар once in that window. This should either be changed to be a passive or a stacking buff.

You already hit the cap of 10 Стремительные удары very quickly, so the extra count from В одиночку против армии has no effect at all.

Given that Стремительные удары only really hits one target, Мощный удар does next to nothing. Мудрость Стены doesn't proc it to make it hit multiple targets.

The defensive/healing talents are practically meaningless.

Мудрость Стены makes us want to lean more into Versatility, despite the clear effort to help Windwalker scale with other stats, having it scale from our highest secondary stat would make more sense and help us scale even better.

Стремительные ударыBase Windwalker Monk Gameplay & TalentsМечущийся ураганЗнак журавляБотфорты для боя с теньюНеистовые кулакиТанцующий журавльShould You Play Windwalker Monk in the War Within?

This guide is written and maintained by Babylonius; former moderator on MMO-Champion; current owner and administrator of the PeakofSerenity Monk class discord; founder and Windwalker author of the Monk Class site, PeakofSerenity.com and those that came before it; Windwalker main since early Mists of Pandaria, guide writer/theorycrafter/teacher for almost that whole time.Discord | Twitter | Twitch | YouTube

Hero Talent Guides for the War Within Launch

Blood DKFrost DKUnholy DK

Havoc DHVengeance DH

Balance DruidFeral DruidGuardian DruidRestoration Druid

Aug EvokerDevastation EvokerPreservation Evoker

BM HunterMM HunterSurvival Hunter

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Brewmaster MonkMistweaver MonkWindwalker Monk

Holy PaladinProtection PaladinRetribution Paladin

Discipline PriestHoly PriestShadow Priest

Assassination RogueOutlaw RogueSubtlety Rogue

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Arms WarriorFury WarriorProtection Warrior

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