This reads really cool and all, but the numbers are way too conservative, yet:- The number of valor points that can be earned per week is too little.- The total cap which can be stored is not even worth two upgrades!- 220 is not a relevant ilvl. 226 is.
Thats again bullsh*t....... PVP ittem upgrade cost is HONOR... you can farm honor without weekly cap so why the valor is on weekly cap? We didn't use the valor point for buying our gear we use it for upgrade... Then put all f*cking PVE loot in the vendor and lets buy it for Valor like the PVP-ers doing it with their gear... and upgradeing them for another currency which is farmable without weekly cap...
Upgrading a low item takes too much effort, worst system ever. You might invest weeks in upgrading one single item to level 220, to see it finally appear in the great vault at item level 226. What a waste of time.
Oh yeah, this system is bad. Worse than PvP. The Cap has a hardcap, no stacking cap for catchup like PvP. You need Valor, not Justice Points for upgrading. So you have to farm 210 ilvl gear before you can upgrade you item. Thats what ppl want, running 500 times Dungeon XYZ before you can upgrade it. The upgradecosts are no joke, so u have to. And what are those upgrade costs? Just delete the system. PvP gives ~0,7 Items per week. with this you get 0,5 and 4 weeks for upgrading a weapon. Yeah "great" change. Cap at 220 for 15 Keys is also a joke.
Imagine spending 4 weeks to upgrade 210 weapon to 220, and finally get one 226 from the great vault... Since you can't even upgrade it to 226, you must choose the 226 from the vault, and loose on the 4 weeks of valor.
So I'm never going to benefit from this :(like when am I ever going to do all mythic+15 dungeons in time, probably never :(
the downside of this low cap is:+ you are punished if you are halfway through upgrading valor because you can very probably not store valor for immediate 220 in one go even from 210.If you start at 210, you must upgrade 3 times with valor. Either the big items or the higher ranks require so much valor, that you need to spend the currency weekly or bi weekly 3 times.Even if you just capped it after spending all your valor, the vault might offer an 6+ upgrade to the 220 immediately invalditing all expenditure of valor with no way to earn it back.It would be similar to buying the 200 item for conquest, upgrading it by conquest to 213 after a 4 weeks and then being offered the 220 version in the pvp section of the great vault... it is a gain in player power but it does not feel rewarding... and that distinction is important.There is only 1 or 2 pieces per slot of pvp gear, so you know where to target your conquest buy for pvp gear and you are able to store/save conquest instead of having to use it immediately.-> The valor cap should increase weekly just like conquest, so you do not have to spend it and you are able to catch up just like pvp conquest. Maybe/hopefully it is intended that way.. lets see on ptr.
I really hope this isn't the final numbers, 4 weeks to upgrade a 2H lol. Just look how few comments there are on wowhead/mmo-champ nowadays, people have mass quited, and it's not ok for us who still plays. This 9.0.5 patch is the redeeming hope.
The new upgrade system indicates, that you must farm new mythic+ items every season.Most likely you will not be able to upgrade your existing gear from patch 9.0.5 later in 9.1.With every start of a new mythic+ season- you need weeks/months to be able to run higher mythic+ keys- the new system will force you to upgrade items you don't want to
Can we have more complicated, confusing, farming and grinding systems, Blizzard? Please?
so let me get this straight .. I need to farm a thousand 15s in order to get my specific loot from a dungeon (each run drops x2 items) and then i need to w8 x3 weeks of FULL cap just to upgrade one item all the way to ONLY 220 ilvl ? and if i pvp i can just Pick my BIS gear with conq AND SPAM NONSTOP BG/RPG for honor so i can Upgrade my gear with out cap ? HMMMMM i guess this system will work good AHHAHA nc game blizzard
You can only buy ilvl 200 gear unrated. The pvp items aren't free like you try to make it sound like. You can't upgrade a single piece of conq gear without being atleast 1400 rating.
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I am an ok player.I can do +10 in time for all dungeons, +12 in time for some and never did a +13 (in time or not).Pretty mediocre, right?But I only play one char. My main.By the time 9.0.5 launches, the highest level of reward I will have from this system is side grades at best. My current ilvl is 215.Pretty underwhelming.
Would like to see data of people who have keystone master but don't have at least a 213 weapon. Must also be fun for people who upgrade a weapon for 3 weeks with valor then end up getting a better one on the 4th week weekly chest. Right now the only thing i can see valor being useful is for specific trinkets and neck/rings where item level isn't everything. Would just make more sense to have high (above 15) dungeons start dropping higher level loot. If they are worried about the repeatable nature of m+, make a weekly loot lockout for the high level runs like they have for raid bosses. Would incentivise doing all 8 dungeons too, instead of grinding 10 hoa/mists runs.
PvE should always have an element of RNG. That's in the DNA of the game. It makes sense to me that upgrading these pieces should be a significant investment of time.Rated PVP and Mythic Raiding require significantly more coordination where M+ will only ever need the five. This is certainly preferable to a system where the only way to get a higher item level of something is to get it to drop again on a higher keystone.