I don't view this as hugely controversial, but it's definitely one more subtle step toward the pc/leftist mentality that has pervaded BfA. Not good, and I'd say the same if things started leaning hard right.
"you tirelessly strive to protect them"Blizzard has retconned the Forsaken. The Forsaken have always been a separate faction. They were just sort of tolerated by the Horde. At the end of the day, they never cared for the Horde or for the living. They only cared about the Forsaken and their Queen."Death to the living" "Beware the living" "Victory for Sylvanas" These are phrases that the NPCs used to say when you'd talk to them. What are they going to say now? "I love the living!" "We always hated Sylvanas" "Victory for the Orcs!"It's really sad to see one of the most interesting and flavorful factions be torn down to this. The "lore" is the thing I am least looking forward to in Shadowlands. It's like Season 8 of GoT over here.
Some people cannot adjust to an expanding story, half of you just want everything to stay exactly as it was in Warcraft 3. The entire Derek and Calia arc is about the Forsaken and living relatives reuniting. In Before the Storm, Calia and Anduin hold a gathering, for Undead to meet their still living relatives. And to try and remove the stigma around the Undead. Calia, disguising herself as a normal person, (she doesn't want people to know shes Calia Menethil, she could be killed) ends up being recognized of course, because the forsaken were her people, the people of Lorderon. She would have been their rightful leader. The undead who recognized her, pleas for her leadership, they've been so lost and divided since the fall of Lorderon and now Sylvana's rampage. Sylvanas realizes its Calia Menethil and then kills her, She's then rezzed as a Undead. Jaina's brother is killed and raised as undead in the war Campaign, Jaina doesn't forsake him and instead takes her to Calia who shares the whole been-killed-now-im-undead thing. Sylvanas was the one who had been telling them 'beware the living' and who fueled their animosity towards the living. She had been the Forsaken peoples' leader since their 'Undeath'. Reborn into a foreign and scary world, she taught them to embrace death and to hold a grudge for the living since they have Forsaken them. She was their leader, but then betrayed them, she forsakes the Forsaken, abandoning them in a living world. In the final quest line in the War Campaign, Lillian Voss asks Calia Menethil to come to Tirisfal. As daughter of King Terenas, Calia Menethil, now understanding what it's like to be Undead, wants to help her people. Lorderon was her kingdom, the humans who are now Forsaken, were / are her people. Now that the forsaken have been abandoned for a second time (Slyvannas leaving), they seek new guidance. Calia meets with Lillian, Liilian explains this is an important time for the Forsaken to have a new leader, one who would campaign for them to be accepted by the living and to accept the living. Since Calia is the rightful heir to Lorderon, and now is Undead, it's an excellent fit for the role. Calia Menethil can step in and be the opposite sort of leader from Sylvannas. This is where the story ends in BFA. Were looking at intro lines that are part of the next expansion. The lines will make more sense to you once you play through some of the new stories in Shadowlands.This is now the where the Undead are in the Warcraft story. Just because you may not like it, does not mean it doesn't make sense. Stories expand, things change, sometimes they change in a direction you personally are not a fan of. That's how it goes. ( theres also undead night elves its pretty cool ).https://youtu.be/YaOgXcxDKXE
good to see Danuser tweet that these dumb intros were not vetted and will be changed. Still baffling that they even made it through, but at least they are wrong.Though I would like to see blizzard address how things are looking like the night elf genocide is outright being ignored and writers have stuff acting like it never happened :/ _______________________________________________________________________
Protect the living. hah. It doesn't matter if Sylvanas is gone or not, forsaken are still going to try and blight everyone into the ground. People seem to think she was the cause but It's pretty obvious playing the forsaken storyline that they would do this ^&*! anyways.
Horde few years ago - strength & honorHorde nowadays - latte & machiato...
I knew this garbage was coming the second I saw Christie Golden destroying the soul of the horde, with Baine, Thrall and Vol'jin becoming spineless Alliance simps and Garrosh being retconned from alpha Orc warleader into "Orc Hitler". As someone else rightfully said, The Alliance are the core of WoW's story now and what little remains of the Horde are their sidekicks/whipping boys allowed to tag along for the ride as long as they stay out their way.
Some carebear BS writing here
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I think it makes sense for the Undead to try to fit in now. Because the "death to the living" kind of Undead should logically become the enemy of both factions at this point - becoming NPCs. If you are playing the "death to the living" Undead... why are you with the Horde? Protecting Azeroth, doing all those small-time quests where you rescue the living?And what's more... after the Wrathgate and now after the second siege of Orgrimmar, the Undead are going to be scrutinized even more. It should be very very hard for them to stay with the faction and keep making those half-sarcastic remarks about how they wish to gas everyone. If the Undead continue to do this even after all that happened, then it would make no sense for them to still stay in the Horde. It would eventually cause another conflict with them, and the solution would be to purge all of them from the Horde ranks for good.So, even if you roleplay the biggest and meanest evil Undead lord who wishes nothing more than for all living to die... you have to pretend you fit in more than you ever have. You cannot give anyone the slightest suspicion that you are anything but a good Horde citizen. Otherwise the Horde leaders who decided you can still stay and do as you please would look laughably incompetent. Even more so than they already do. It would be ridiculous to the point of people hand-waving away any kind of plot regarding the Undead. Nobody would care anymore because we would be in a very predictable circle that would result in a queue of new Sylvanases. And I am sure that WoW doesn't need more Sylvanases.
"As one of the undead Forsaken, you have been reanimated by dark magic. Though shunned by the living, you tirelessly strive to protect them."So.. I'm guessing Calia will be taking over as the leader of the forsaken? I don't see how a description like that makes sense otherwise.