The Rise of the Vengeance Demon Hunter Tank in Season 1 of Shadowlands Mythic+

Live Posted 2021/01/11 at 4:40 AM by Squishei

Mythic+ leaderboard on Raider.io for Shadowlands Season 1Season 4 of BFAGeneral TankinessThick SkinDemonic WardsBase Mitigation

Demon Spikes for Increased Armor and 15% Parry Chance - 2 charges, 20 sec (reduced by Haste) recharge.

Metamorphosis for 50% Health, 200% Armor and increased resource generation - 3 minute cooldown.

Fiery Brand for 40% damage reduction from the target.

Demonic Wards - a flat 15% damage reduction to all forms of damage.

Thick Skin - 65% Stamina and 100% Armor.

Additional Bonuses in Shadowlands

Demonic - which allows for more Metamorphosis uptime, once a minute.

The combination of Burning Alive, Agonizing Flames and Charred Flesh gives a 40% damage reduction with a rather high uptime to all creatures in the pack.
Charred Flesh makes Immolation Aura increase the duration of Fiery Brand.

Agonizing Flames increases the uptime on Immolation Aura.

Burning Alive makes Fiery Brand spread to all nearby targets!

Fiery SoulFiery BrandFel DefenderDamage Output - Kyrian CovenantWarcraft LogsElysian DecreeRepeat DecreeGrowing InfernoConclusionMetamorphosisDemon SpikesFiery BrandLast ResortMetamorphosisChaos BrandImprison

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Comment by fatalgearWell I mean with how strong elysian decree is, I'm not surprised at all. Covenant abilities shouldn't be your top damage by a mile.Comment by TahrooBreaking news.. the 4 year running popular class, upon having their dps spec nerfed, is now the most popular tank spec. We turn it over to Captain Obvious for more details. :D

The biggest problem of Meta Tanks is, that most people don't know how to play them. As a healer I tend to avoid DH tanks in my group.
As comparison, a good Tank (any class) needs 1.5-2.0 M heal, a really bad needs double. This leads to massively decreased healing resources for group healing which then easily lead to wipes.Comment by NiccoloMStrange that Vengeance has not been nerfed yet. It's far ahead of every other tank at the moment. Hopefully the nerf will come soon. Especially their damage output.Comment by NiccoloMBreaking news.. the 4 year running popular class, upon having their dps spec nerfed, is now the most popular tank spec. We turn it over to Captain Obvious for more details. :D

The biggest problem of Meta Tanks is, that most people don't know how to play them. As a healer I tend to avoid DH tanks in my group.
As comparison, a good Tank (any class) needs 1.5-2.0 M heal, a really bad needs double. This leads to massively decreased healing resources for group healing which then easily lead to wipes.Comment by rosurycBreaking news.. the 4 year running popular class, upon having their dps spec nerfed, is now the most popular tank spec. We turn it over to Captain Obvious for more details. :D

The biggest problem of Meta Tanks is, that most people don't know how to play them. As a healer I tend to avoid DH tanks in my group.
As comparison, a good Tank (any class) needs 1.5-2.0 M heal, a really bad needs double. This leads to massively decreased healing resources for group healing which then easily lead to wipes.Comment by ElarriiNice job balancing as usual Blizz.Comment by TomtaurenMy beautiful and epic warrior tank, whathave they done to you? :(, I'LL CONTINUE MAIN MY TANK WARRIOR BLIZZARD M***********S! :angry face:Comment by SeniaaFirst of all, it is TOTALLY UNFAIR to compare SL Season 1 with BfA Season 4 since at the start of every expansion in first tier, players don't really have enough stats and are not progressed high enough into player power systems (azerite/corruption/covenant). Here's the links which you very conveniently ignored when you wrote this article about EACH SEASON in BfA and you will see early in BfA, Warriors were NOT really that dominant and that makes the very first line of your article WRONG.

Links to +15 or above timed runs during BfA

Season 1: https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-1/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=15:maxMythicLevel=99 (DKs almost half and Warriors actually 2nd last)

Season 2: https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-2/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=15:maxMythicLevel=99 (Warriors 33% closely followed by DKs and Pally 22 / 20)

Season 3: https://raider.io/mythic-plus-rankings/season-bfa-3/all/world/leaderboards-strict#role=tank:mode=unique:minMythicLevel=15:maxMythicLevel=99 (The closest 3 tank specs probably every been and Monks were actually above Warriors)

You already provided link for Season 4.Comment by MagnoshSaying that prot warriors were dominant the whole BfA expansion is pretty bold, seeing that they are the 2nd lowest played tank in 15+ fo season 1 (only bear is lower, but there are just very few bear tanks in general).

Prot warrior only rose when they got better gear later in the expansion, and the additional ring of azerite power, which was a very big buff to them (unlike for DKs, which plummeted after season 1).Comment by Straata

Imo that's more of a product from M+ thank the actual game itself as a whole. I've been running Nathria on my guardian, having just downed Sire Denathrius Saturday night, and let me tell you, most of what I was doing was far more focused on staying alive and positioning (especially for fights like Sludgefist and Xymog) than damage and speed

Tanks in raids still play using the same idea of what they should be in classic, and its only really in M+ that they've turned into DPS, as everyone is obsessed with doing as much damage as possible to burn down that timer and get a faster clearComment by gankhillflavor classes of the expac is always a thing for tanks heals dmg. nothing newComment by SeniaaThis, VDH is not even OP, yhea we have a better time than other tanks, but we are far from what a warrior was in BFA, other classes need buffs
Monks and druids are doing ok. especially because they have a passive mitigation and a lot of ways to kite. i hate that people want nefs to a class because its performing better than the otherComment by SeferusI hope VDH get nerfed to the ground so I don't need to deal with groups declining tanks because "is not VDH" on the second month of the expansion.
And btw you are right, is not even close to warriors on BFA ... is MUCH worseComment by toddiuszhoThe biggest problem of Meta Tanks is, that most people don't know how to play them. As a healer I tend to avoid DH tanks in my group.Comment by Robbiex0xStrange that Vengeance has not been nerfed yet. It's far ahead of every other tank at the moment. Hopefully the nerf will come soon. Especially their damage output, but also to Demonic Wards and Thick Skin.Comment by Mardux11Well when you give 4 weeks in a row of garbage melee affixes, 10/10 times the guy who can jump away easiest is going to be the best.

$10 says the DPS rankings show 90% ranged also.Comment by rosurycWell when you give 4 weeks in a row of garbage melee affixes, 10/10 times the guy who can jump away easiest is going to be the best.

$10 says the DPS rankings show 90% ranged also.Comment by TwistedMetalAlso, Havoc sucks rn, so people started to play VengeanceComment by Exasinare you talking about HPS or actuall Healing done to that Tank?Comment by ExasinGratz to wowhead to let the Crybabies out of their holes, DH tanks are in general very good in surviving alot of dmg but to say that they can facetank everything is a misconception immo yes if they have their Cd's they actually can do that its just for 15 seconds tho alone with Demon spikes they wont make it immo another thing saying that they are good a delivering DPS yes AoE dps ST nope not happening if you dont take the Maximised Defence build, i get it VDH is meta and someone needs to be blamed and flamed well ye i bet every crybaby out their was a warrior tank in BFA they ownt BFA now they are pretty well USELESS.

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