*deep breath*evil is a relative term Sylvanas is just misunderstood she does what's necessary to survive she's a tactical genius she loves her people Genn's the real villain hereDid I miss anything?
What the #$%^ this is so dumb. They are deliberately eschewing basic Resurrection spells to do some Med'an bull%^&* all over again? And denying the fact that necrotic magics are in direct opposition to Light magics, i.e., why Forsaken as a race experience extreme pain when using the Light (Ask CDev round 4) and how that same source states that prolonged use of the Light by undead begins reviving their faculties, i.e., making them LESS UNDEAD?Like, this is categorically impossible given the way the Light affects dead tissue. Light magic used in this way would revive her, not bind her soul to her own dead body, which to my understanding is what undeath due to dark magic is.I’m floored.
At least I have hopes that one good thing can come out of all of this. They seem to be building foundations for the Forsaken to get rid of Sylvanas and start being way less evil. Sylvanas and the Forsaken of her moral values will likely get defeated in this upcoming expansion and the new Forsaken that are truly the lost unfortunate victims trying to find their place in the world (as opposed to the sadistic bastards who want to destroy and twist everything) will form. Forsaken will finally get a new leadership and they will finally be just members of the Horde, not the unofficial overlords of the Horde.I actually prefer this outcome over the "Sylvanas gets redeemed in the end cause she was misunderstood and was in-fact the chosen one" storyline.I still pray that this "redeemed Sylvanas" plot doesn't happen.
Yea blizzard paints us dark again(i love the color tho) we are getting use to,all horde players.While doin' that kill of our warchief again to much time passed.Also make aliance win the war again and have them satisfied,beacuse after all knight in shiny armor always win one way and another.And while doing that give Manduin some boobs he will look more natural.Regards
Great. More alliance bull$%^& propaganda. Do people really don't see that what occured on that human-undead meeting could be treated as treason or coup against Sylvanas? Calia %^&*ed up whole thing just by showing herself there. When old heir to throne come to peaceful meeting first thing you would think of is some kind of game that is aimed at Sylvanas rule. Also i am sick of that eternal redemption arc for Alliance. With this crap they just retconed how Alli first responded to Forsaken when they tried to contact them and make some pact. Before they hunted all undead, also own family members but suddenly they are so good that want to meet them? Pure crap... Sylv actions are justified with common logic that some ppl here miss.Also to anyone that try to say burning of Teldrassil was crime. Read lines and texts about it. Fire on world tree happened only cuz of same reason as Sylv bombed and plagued UC. Nelf didn't want to let Horde get to tree and "desecrate" it. This way some fire lost it way and started whole process. Burning it down wasn't Sylv intention at all on attack.
There is no way Calia is in the wrong here.They're writing Anduin as being extremely conciliatory when he says Calia is a usurper. Because Anduin is a saint who does no wrong.How is the rightful heir a usurper?Sylvanas is the usurper. She squatted on the lands of Lordaeron after an act of deceit and murder and now it turns out her detractors were right all along, it was never in the name of the Forsaken, it was and is for her own damn self, and she is so weak and petty that she can't even stand the Forsaken *thinking* about leaving her rule.Sylvanas' actions here are only logical for an insane tyrant."Yeah they're returning but they just might not be loyal enough for me shoot them anyway" is straight up Stalin level villainy.It's declaring right there that Forsaken free will is a farce and a lie.
So Christie had to paint Sylvanas as pure evil to make his beloved glorified perfect character, Anduin, even more perfect. Why is Blizz hiring writers like her who taints their work with their own bias?Maybe it's time for me to try to play the game just for gameplay and fun with no regards to lore. Doubt I can stick with it for long, though.
So they had to give this to the horde to....alliance wants peace. But alliance mad women breaks peace. F*ck you blizzard. Now you have taken everything of us. WoD is pointless now, we get least developed storyline, quests, allied races ( pretty much all content). We have by far less area as the horde. Win less battle's. And now you are going to blame us for this to...ffs
Why people keep saying "Calia is young and naive"? Naive, maybe. But for sure she isn't young, she was 2 years older than Arthas which would make her at the age of 38 currently, so what she did here clearly wasn't thanks to her "being young".
Calia becomes half undead half human? What the hell? How is that even a thing? Being undead already means being half dead and half alive. And being undead is a state of being, not a race. How can you mix a race with a state of being? Especially since most Forsaken are already human anyway, being half human half Forsaken means nothing. It just means being Forsaken. And if she somehow still wields a light... that's nothing new, as others pointed out. Though it was very rare. But still, it existed, and it was not a product of a special state of being. Also, if Blizzard is trying to build up undead paladins, I just cringe when I read the lore reasons to justify this. Especially if they are this terrible.I said before that this new WoW story erased faction identities to such a level that it started to remind me of Heroes of Might and Magic universe... and this half dead person reminds me of Gauldoth from the same universe.I think they mixed way too many ideas together and the result is a mess that makes no sense, just like someone else pointed out earlier. They want to make the Light seem dubious, yet the Alliance Light soaked wielders are so unquestionably good that nobody on their side can do anything wrong... and those few people who have a bit of a bad attitude get redeemed. I mean, Genn in all of his anger and passion for his cause did nothing a calm, responsible, reasonable and practical individual wouldn't do in his place. Makes no sense that his anger only gives him the 'tude, while it does realistically nothing else. The only time people argue that Genn did anything aggressive was attacking Sylvanas in Stormheim, but if it was any other calm and clever strategist in his place, he'd do the same to make sure the Titan Keepers don't turn their back on the mortals (or on the Horde, in which case, Genn ironically helped the Horde from doing a fatal mistake). Again, I don't see uncontrollable individual spazzing out. I just see a knight in a shining armor cosplaying as an edgy boy. And after all this new lore for him, he just learns he should stop cosplaying as an edgy boy cause that's wrong.I am all for the story trying to portray the Light in a sense that casts a doubt on the attempts to follow it blindly. I think there is an obvious potential of telling a story in which too much good becomes bad by the power of blind faith and conviction alone. And that may be the case for the Light followers and even the Light itself.But so far, the story did rarely anything like that. And when it does something, it's confusing as hell. Because I honestly don't know if the leads they are giving us actually mean something, or there are just narrative dead ends that only exist for gameplay reasons (like that all the Horde races need to stay in one faction and the Horde actually splitting is basically impossible gameplay-wise). Like I don't know if Liadrin has a reason to act the way she does (ignoring all the evil stuff Horde is doing under Sylvanas), or it's simply that the writers decided her character does nothing this expansions so it's just the quest designers gave her filler lines.If they wanted to make the conflict around the Forsaken the center of attention, if they wanted to portray them as morally gray and not outright evil, if they wanted us to see that following the Light is not always the only solution for everything - being the determining factor between being good or evil... AND if they wanted to keep the established lore more or less intact, they should have written the story about how the Light forsake the Forsaken for no good reason.I mean, it was established in the lore long ago that the act of being risen from the dead makes a dark monster out of you that not only terrifies the others, but dooms your soul as well. If you wielded the Light before, you can no longer do it. Yeah, exceptions existed, but probably like only 4 of them if I am not mistaken. Or any such small number. Majority of the Forsaken (if not all of them) were killed and raised against their will. The Light that was meant to be this beacon of hope and a symbol of all what was good and just... simply forsaken them. And it didn't return to them even after the Lich King lost control over them. And no, the Light didn't leave the Forsaken because of their evil acts. It did so before-hand. The Light just decided it will preemptively leave them presumably because they might turn out evil in the future. That is hardly a merciful or selfless act. That's basically punishment before the crime committed by the symbol of the justice itself. Along with the lore about the Forsaken being eternally tortured after their final death, it sounds like a good thing to explore.Yeah, maybe you have an explanation that it's only Arthas and Sylvanas who were tortured after their final death (in Sylvanas's case only briefly) were forsaken by the Light and left to their suffering justifiably based on their previous actions. But we don't know that for sure. This storyline was not explored and it could potentially be explored. Maybe you could say that the Light had forsaken the Forsaken out of mercy since it would physically hurt them beyond belief. But this reason was to my knowledge not established either.Maybe you disagree with this potential story idea... but at least it has a clear direction and I think it's not contradictory. Whereas what we are getting is so contradictory that I have no idea what to think of anyone. Except when it comes to the Alliance characters, they are pure good so obviously that I don't need to think at all.If they went this route, they could portray the Forsaken as relatable. They could make them to be unfortunate victims more faithfully. But they made them into instigators of so many evil atrocities it makes it impossible for you to sympathize with them... unless you roleplay the pure sadistically gloating, evil laughing and mustache twirling villain. But in that case, this story destroyed your sense of direction and immersion too by making your kin seem to be less evil than they were (for wanting to rejoin their living families) and your boss being so trigger happy that she'll kill you in an instant randomly for not being evil enough.
What am I supposed to feel if I play the Horde? Tell me?- Am I supposed to feel the hatred towards the Alliance? For what reason? Not only I am bombarded with a reason after reason how they are justified in any aggression towards me, but I am also bombarded with the redemption stories for their more moody members. And that especially bugs me in Jaina's case, as she's the closest to a character that is reasonable to hate from the Horde point of view. But every story about her includes like one reason to hate her and 100 reasons to make her seen not only justified, but also incredibly patient, tolerant, forgiving and benevolent. That sends so much wrong signals to me that I'd rather not think about her at all.- Am I supposed to feel faction pride? The Horde is so diverse that there is hardly any identity to speak of. Faction pride for an Orc is definitely different from Tauren, Forsaken... and of course the lack of pride for Goblins. And why are Blood Elves proud to be Horde? They are long lived. Most of them lived for centuries or more (likely more). They had a longer history of being with the Alliance, and the transgressions of the Alliance against them pales in comparison to the Horde transgressions. Not just from the past (they are now allied with their former enemies like Trolls and Orcs), but also from the modern Horde history (MoP and now BfA). Only Jaina Proudmoore keeps them with the Horde. So I don't see a faction pride there. Not for Elves, not for anyone basically.- Maybe I am supposed to feel pride for my chosen faction leaders only. But the only faction leaders that are not making me embarrassed don't do anything because nobody wrote any lines for them for several years. So they just stand in the background and cheer on you like in a lazy fanservicey crossover. Maybe if I was into evil Sylvanas, I could feel pride for her... but her paranoia and willingness to kill her people on a whim makes it difficult to use the word "pride" when talking about my evil self feeling for her.- Am I supposed to feel submission to my faction leaders? Am I supposed to be a lowly grunt that just fulfills the orders because I have to? Then why am I depicted as a supreme leader, commander, general, demi-god or more? For several expansions straight even?- Am I supposed to feel oppressed by the Alliance to the point of being so desperate to join with whoever I can to even survive? Again, the Alliance are portrayed as so exemplary good guys that it's impossible to feel oppressed by them. Every time the argument "you need to join the Horde for protection from the Alliance" comes up, I just cringe. Because the Alliance never EVER threatened anyone (except for the obvious badies like the Demons, Old Gods and such) with aggression UNTIL they joined the Horde. And it's pretty obvious that the hypothetical act of seceding from the Horde would be the easiest and most logical and efficient step when it comes to protection from the Alliance.- Am I supposed to just enjoy my race and cultures on the Horde side for what they are? That would be great if the undead didn't override everything. And it would also help if the various factions in the Horde had a bigger repertoire of opinions and responses on Horde's actions rather than silently nodding or using the good ol' Warcraft unit on-click one liners. (Sylvanas: "Melt our enemies and friends in an acidic plague for the crime of breathing!" Baine: "Ancestors watch over me!" Hamul: "I hear nature's call!" Saurfang: "For honor!")- Am I supposed to just trust the Blizzard that the story will just start making sense in the future? Honestly, I don't think it's even possible to fix this mess. The best they could do is to just silently scrap all the plot threads they introduced here over time and just drastically change the focus of the story. In which case, I will simply wait until that happens and won't play the game till that point.And when it comes to the arguments about who to blame - either Golden or Blizzard - I don't care. I am merely a paying customer. If I am presented with a %^&* product, it doesn't take finger-pointing to satisfy me. Only the actual improvement of the product will do. I don't care who will do it or how.
While I'm in the camp that the Light should remain good and pure and not everything has to be relative, I can certainly get a good story about how the Light can be misused.But this is not that. Blizzard's hamfisted talentless writers were clearly given the directive of "make everything morally grey!" and this is the result. The Light is wicked and corrupting because reasons.There's no clever storyline leading into that.Consider the AU Draenor thing. New dialogue now implies that Draenor is dying and the Light is somehow the cause.No no it isn't the former Iron Horde who used to go around stripmining Gorgrond, polluting the water and enslaving souls. It isn't the Botani or the fungal spore things who were consuming and corrupting the land. No. It's the Light. The Light is somehow turning Draenor into a wasteland.That's not how the Light works.One thing is to show the Light being just another element that can be misused, it's quite another to show it being the antithesis of what it actually is. This is the equivalent of the Lich King suddenly causing Icecrown to bloom into a verdant warm paradise with the power of undeath. It makes no sense.Back on this topic; we have the implication in the story that a Naaru manipulated Calia into attending the meeting, and thus triggering Sylvanas' paranoia. The same Naaru then turns Calia into a holy zombie or whatever the hell she is.So behind Sylvanas' lunacy we have... a Naaru essentially starting the war.I fear they're going all in on this stupidity. The Naaru are now evil manipulative windchimes of doom, golden void lords. Starting wars for who knows what reason.I fear this will also be their "out" for their waifu Sylvanas. They'll have her be absolutely insane, murder her own people, start a war and degenerate the Horde into total barbarity.. then pull "OMG IT WAS THE NAARU ALL ALONG!" and we'll all unite to take them out. Then Sylvanas will shout "AZEROTH IS FREE!" as we head into the next expansion - World of Warcraft: Blight the Light
Blizzard ability to write something even remotely good is obivisoly non existant.Nothing more to say here then disappointed by story arc-horde(bad)-aliance(very good).....