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interesting.
How many books do we need to retcon sylvanas for good? like i get it some writter is her waifu but really its getting cringe at this point just make her illidan 2.0 and let her kill the jailer for the luls
"The Jailer seems to feel like he was the one who was betrayed by the Eternal Ones"OH MY GOD! IT'S HAPPENING! Blizzard is really going to rip-off Dark Lord Davoth's background for the Jailer!
jailer didn't banish her.... she broke the spirit healers rule, that if she touches her sister, she will get pulled back and not able to return with her... its a knock on tht one story where the bard dude goes to hades to reclaim his lover if he looks behind him shes gone forever, except in this story it is in she touches her.
"The gaping hole where the Jailer's heart is a key element of his design. Interestingly, he claims everyone has something like it."I have a hole in my heart like that," I said gently.His glowing eyes burned expressionlessly into mine. Hot orange sparks from the million fires of the wasteland tumbled through the air, disappearing into the chasm of his chest.Everyone does, he said slowly. "It is only that mine is easy to see."- Folk & Fairy Tales of Azeroth"this part needs the whole paragraph, it is being taken out of context. He was referring to hearthbreak........... because it is mentioned in a way thats figuratively like emotionally plus also in his case literally.......... robot arbitor got his heart pgysically... so arbitor didnt exist before jailer was banished? it stole his job?
"This gives us the impression that the story is reliable canon. Since no one on Azeroth has likely heard this story, the only audience that could possibly exist for it is us - the players of World of Warcraft. Which makes us feel like the ones who are meant to learn something here.That said, we're fairly certain the story was a vision rather than something that actually happened. For a start, the journey Vereesa went on is long enough to change her physically - if it had really happened, we feel someone would have noticed.I grew lean in those places. I lost the hardness and thickness of a soldier. My skin sank in against my bones.- Folk & Fairy Tales of Azeroth"time passes differently in the shadowlands........ we were told that many timeswhat feels like months or years in the shadowlands, is only minutes to hours or days in azeroth... we learned this from the devs and jaina in the maw introalso likely the reason that the scourge has not taken over completely all of azeroth while we are in the SL.... we go to drustvar and alexstraza as night fae, 0 signs that azeroth is still enduring a zombie invasion which canonly has not been stopped yet. Meanwhile in the kyrian story we see redgeridge under attack, which we know was under attack since prepatch.... time moves different in the SL...... some zones time moves alot slower some alot faster... some of the wild gods who died in the war of the ancients thought they only died like a day or few days ago not centuries. Seems to point that SL can lead to time travel depending on what zone of the shadowlands that you leave to the mortal realm in... maybe a portal in bastion takes u to the present, ardenweald takes you to the future, maybe a zone even takes u to the past. Jailers true concept form does look like a mix between a winter warlock and chronos the time god. still fishy that theres no cold snowy or ice zone in the shadowlands even tho necromancers and lcihes are known from that and hail from "maldraxxas"
Turns out a book about Fairy Tales was a dressed up ploy to foreshadow and 'set up' the Jailer stuff as if it was there all along.Cool. Really getting tired of the Sylvanas Variety Hour. I want more stories like what they're doing in Hearthstone atm. Lowkey adventures and stuff.
The Jailer being a Member of the Pantheon of Death infers that he was in fact betrayed. For all we know, locking him away in the maw is in fact what broke the Machine of Death, rather than showing him compassion and finding some other way to bridge the gap between.He has a name and at one point a critical role/purpose. He wasn't some unknown primal evil. I'm eager and hopeful that, much in the same way Illidan and Yrel were handled (where a "perceived evil" turned good, and a "perceived good" turned evil), we may see some interesting storytelling with Zolvaal.
The problem that Blizzard have-and have had for almost the entire lifespan of WoW but increasingly so in past expansions- is that they simply refuse, for whatever reason, to include the character developing moments they point to later on as justification for a characters actions ingame. This is especially a problem with the Jailer, who-in this book, it seems- seems to actually have a modicum of character depth and layering instead of the moustache-twirling one dimensional parody we see in game.A good example of Warcraft's storytelling was Ner'zhul; whilst his character development from honourable shaman to prisoner of Gul'dans Horde to cruel desperate despot to the Lich King is done largely in the novels (such as Rise of the Horde) there are enough references to him ingame (such as how he appears in Warlords, as a desperate orc trying to keep his clan from being exterminated by Grom, or comments from his mate Rulkan) to compliment and elaborate on his personality, and that whilst he is undoubtedly a villain he is doing so out of love of his clan and fear of them being hurt. This shows him to be a multi-layered character, capable of human emotion and-above all- is relatable. Same goes with Arthas: whilst his descent into villainy is clear and he becomes worse than those he was trying to stop, his downfall was caused very human reactions to extreme circumstances and problems so far out of the ordinary it was unheard of. And whilst the acts of both of these characters are horrendous and evil, they are also understandable. Acceptable arcs in character design, without condoning the horrible deeds they committed.In the Jailer-and also Sylvanas'- case, their deeds have literally no justification, no motivation (beyond Sunday morning Skeletor-esque need for EEEEEEEEEVIL) and no real human qualities. The former is due to his total lack of lore and screentime-which in of itself makes it hard to care about him as a character, even if it is to dislike- and the latter has no small amount of issues concerning the universe bending around her whim and existing to serve her needs, instead of the other way around. Danuser seems to fail to understand that characters exist to serve the story, and not the other way around. This is the real reason people have come to loathe the Sylvanas of post-Legion: a hollow parody, stripped of all the human qualities, spouting cheesy threats and being shoehorned by Blizzard in a paper-thin, glaringly obvious redemption plot that is the antithesis of how her entire character has been written for almost twenty years.At least in the case of Garrosh, as poorly as his character arc was handled, he was still a "human" character, with human reactions, and ultimately was forged by circumstances and terrible writing into the villain he became. As a result, even if it was to hate him, people still cared for him as a character. True character death is when you don't like or hate a character, but don't care for them at all. And Blizzard's lamentable storytelling has not only wasted a potentially interesting story (with the Satanic overtones of the Jailer and his role in the Warcraft cosmology) they've used that to drag down other characters (Sylvanas, Kel'thuzad, ect) down with them.It's a waste. And a damn sad one.
The Jailer becoming a fairy-tale character in Azeroth is... interesting, to say the least
It's odd to have this story in this book, ngl. Anyway, glad to see they are somewhat fixing a character who was butchered during bfa, as many others. It would be worse if they didn't fix a thing as it happened with those four HD shorts about saurfang, who was already dead since legion, where he tried to suicide because he didn't die in the broken shore, and kept being the same thing during all bfa or even worse because of bad writing. In his case they just killed him off. Not a good solution imo. However with anduin and sylvanas they are trying to actually fix them. Anduin is behaving like anduin once more, aka negociating, understanding the other, etc, same thing he did with garrosh after he broke all his bones. Sylvanas is a much harder case than anduin because she did terrible things during bfa for reasons no one saw at any moment, in the best case just figured out. They already acknowledged that failure and are working on it. It's fair to assume that no matter what happens, this expansion will be sylvanas' last dance at very least in a long time, just like illidan in legion. Just let them fix their characters. Tbh i would worry about others like Greymane, who is still alive and needs sylvanas for being anything.
Hold on. The reason Vereesa wasn't present while her kingdom was invaded and her people were slaughtered was because...... she heard a song and decided to go check that out instead? You'd think a ranger with centuries of experience would know which mushrooms are safe to eat.
Remember when they said the four realms of the Shadowlands are among infinite afterlives? And Sylvanas was destined for Ardenweald, of all places? I mean...okay. small afterlife.