What the actual f*** is this garbage...?
All this scenario is absolutely stupid and disgustung. Earlier you can see some nice comments aboul all absurdity, so I will speak about fantasy at all.Warcraft is an epic fantasy. Since Orcs&Humans. One of the foundations of this genre is a confrontation of Light and Darkness. Of Good and Evil. Light is good, darkness is evil. Simple, like a normal basic. Is it bad? Go read Tolkien. In this universe Light gives us healing, in Chronicles it's described like a force of life and hope.What we have now? Suddenly bad Light. Suddenly good void (actually, no approves of it). It's still too weak for a dark fantasy, but ridiculous for epic fantasy.Like an idea of Light-worshipping zealots? Like a grey morality? Welcome to the WH40K! Take some ideas. Exterminatus on Mulgore because taurens are xenoses. The Holy Inquisition who chases every deviation from their codex. Arco-flagellation for undead. Upgrade paladins to Adeptus Astartes. So, Alliance aren't good guys now. Easy.
I almost never disagree with Blizzard's decisions regarding the lore, they themselves treat it semi-seriously with all these in-game gags and what not... But this? From being a "benevolent force that loves us all" (Uther in WarCraft 3), it got a little twist with Scarlet Crusade being able to use the Light as they themselves believed they were in the right. Then nothing until Legion where Xe'ra got a little bit pushy and Light being all about preserving life (A Thousand Years of War audiodrama) no matter what. But THIS.... THIS is ridiculous, so Light and Naaru are Hitler now. Yeah, cool. There has never been a more idiotic decision in the lore of WarCraft ever. No subtler approach, pushing the boundaries of what's right and wrong... We racial genocide and slavery now.wow.
There is a moral ambiguity in Warhammer 40k because everything bad Imperium does is to ensure the continued survival of Mankind. Survival of the fittest, occupying peoples time with nothing but work and dreadful life conditions are necessary.Now, Battle for Azeroth, Blizzard:“Look guys, Light's fanatics are genociding orc, You see? It can be bad! And look over there at the Void! It gives freedom! WarCarft can into moral ambiguity!”
Blizzard has finally given up on lore it seems.
@HydroBRYes, sure, Light itself is not evil, I pointed It out with the example from the audio drama. But don't You think that so blatantly going from Light/Void being in their nature blind (again, my example with Scarlet Crusade) forces to inspire genocide (by Naaru no less) and mass slavery within two years (cuz there no demons to kill) isn't overdoing it? It should be obvious that Blizzard is pushing this narrative of moral ambiguity but they are doing it by showing Light ('s worhippers) as genocidal fanatics and Void ('s worshippers) as "we're so free and don't mind the tentacles, we can control the void so it's good"Also, If I'm oversimplifying that tell me how what Blizzard has done has any "depth" to it.Scarlet Crusade/Onslaught was basically Lightbound but with depth and motives. They were using the Light to purge the world from undead who took their families. Then as they were infiltrated by the Burning Legion and they became more and more corrupted and hell-bent. Also showing that Light doen't care as long as You belive in it. All good.And now we got the Lightbound. A wise and ancient species running away from the Burning Legion, for thousand of years guided by Prophet Velen and Naaru. Who got genocidal in what appears to be two years. Cool.
@AgniwolfAnd before this scenario was leaked you still had to belive that you were in the right when using the Light. Apparently now beings of Holy Light born at the beginning of creation believe it's all good as they are performing their own version of Final Solution to the Orcish Question
Well this online point of view conflicts are really just in our nature. :D Where do we start... The simple fact that most of us are incapable of standing different opinions and consider only their owns logical and true. We are talking about a story in a different timeline. Repeat DIFFERENT (:D)! If Thrall can be a girl and Garrosh can go Lightbound, why the Draenei can't go full Scarlet Crusade mode on? Only because you didn't imagine it or want it to be that way? Sorry to break it up like this, but in the real world things don't always go like we want them to be. And really, you put logic in a fictional different time line? We do not have that kind of things here in the real world and we argue about a fictional one. And before someone accuses me in Draenei hate. Sorry, but it's not true. Love them! Maraad's last words are mine in game broadcast all the time. The thing I'm hardly explaining because I'm not good with words is... Don't trash or spit on things that are matter of perspective, taste or point of view. This is like the taste in music. Sure you like the style you listen to, but this does not make the rest of the music styles bad only because you do not feel the beat and do not relate to the lyrics. I hope someone who reads this will understand me correctly. Try to deal with the fact that people have different opinion and that's none of your concern, unless you are consciously trying to suppress them and shove down your own way of thinking in their heads and we all know how right is that.
Maybe posting my thoughts on all this is kinda pointless when we're 260 comments in, but eh.My initial reaction to all this was "ahahaha what the ^&*!". I guess at the very least it answers my question of "why are the Frostwolves allying so closely with like six or seven clans that tried to genocide them".To be clear here - having the draenei, a race that's been hunted and oppressed for ten thousand years, turn the tables and become the oppressors? Having a faction of them turn into fanatic, Light-wielding knights templar? Having them become exactly what they feared? That is cool as %^&*. I'd love to see a good story about that.... buuuut this isn't the way to go about it.This is something that needs be expanded upon a lot more than is possible in the given context. How did the draenei of AU Draenor end up this way? How did Yrel end up this way? How did she lead the draenei down this path? You're taking a character that we spent an entire expansion building up as a protagonist, a powerful force for good. To have her suddenly and without warning go completely nuts the minute we turn our backs feels really cheap. The questline raises a ton of pressing questions that two lines of exposition can't really answer.And reminder: This is one questline.One questline which is otherwise entirely unconnected to the story of BfA.One questline which comes with a massive unexplained shift in personality for a very well-established and well-liked character (and probably several others).One questline where the Lightbound, the most significant and interesting part of the story, aren't even the main focus (remember the entire point of this questline is recruiting the Mag'har).One questline whose story we almost certainly won't see Blizz expand on in this expansion.Could they do more with it later? Maybe. But how? Would they send us back to Draenor (again)? Have them invade Azeroth (again)? I don't really see a natural way they could be reintroduced.Basically, this concept, while potentially awesome, requires a lot more effort and care than they seem to be giving it.Also: RIP Durotan. Held up as the Horde protagonist of WoD, had his spotlight stolen by Yrel for most of it, then got killed offscreen.