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Comment by Dread

This set all drops in the instance The Deadmines in Westfall. This is a set worn by many level 19 twinks.

For Horde twinks, it can be tough to get to the instance. I recommend traveling to STV and swimming upward. Just watch out for Alliance as you near the instance.

Comment by 6623

The set bonus for these items isn't really that good - at all. 5 Piece bonus Is alright, but defiantly not worth It if you have 2 items better than an item in the set.

No more a rogue set than a huntard set. But the green parts are PoE, and they make a pretty penny at the auction house for people making a rogue twink.

Comment by netherbane

Actually the defias set is better for druids then rogues i would say, sure the set gives bonuses like increase daggers which makes it seem like its for a rogue, but, look at the overall set bonuses, its mostly sta and str, agility is the lowest bonus, you only get 9 agil from a 5 peice set, a druid that uses bear form most of the time, wants to tweak his attrubtes to be mostly str and sta, cuz bear form is just a gimp version of a warrior, so sence this set is mostly str and sta, it would be good for a feral druid that plans on using bear form alot, of course if you are gonna be a caster druid and moonfire/wrath spam and heal, then fang set is better for you.

Comment by starkill

this set is pretty nice for a rogue twink because of the bouns you get from all 5 and its agility but if your not making a twink i dont recommend wasting your ime trying to get it

Comment by 45013

there is also the cloak of the brotherhood (http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=5193) and the bandit shoulders (http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=10405) to make a really complete set.

Comment by Taiki

Many people are blinded by the fact that it is a set. The only reason to get this set specifically is for novelty purposes only. If you are a twink and have some common sense (or any sense at all for that matter) you will not, and i repeat not get this set.

The chest armor is obviously an item to get since it gives nice stamina and other stats to boot. But why would you get the 3 strenght 3 agility pants just so that you get 10 extra armor when you can get leggings of the fang that gives 5 strenght 9 agility and 4 stamina for example?

Making a twink (which is a great way to ruin the game for people without thousands of gold thank you very much) is about not compromizing and making your character the strongest possible to compete in the battleground range of your choice.

Conclusion: It's not a bad set and if you get several parts of it then good for you. But don't go after it because it's a set.

Comment by 74126

i prefer it on my rouge more than my druid becuase it looks great with my defias mask and bandit shoulders.

Comment by Ghoul

I'm going to get this for my roleplaying gear just because it's look. It matches well with Cape of Brotherhood, Bandit Shoulders and Ebon Mask.

Comment by 99516

check out "of the fang" set better in every way(-looks) for every class.
hunters rogues get this chest and belt and all else "of the fang"

combo gives
hunters 11 more ranged ap
rogues 11 more mlee ap
4 weap skill
lose
-3 sta
-2 arm
-4 spell dmg
-10int
-6 agi( crit chance)

Comment by amautor

The Embrace of the Viper set was completely upgraded. I'm wondering whether or not this set will be, because it seems a little unfair that the beginning horde instance gives a much better leather set than the beginning Alliance instance. It also goes against how Blizzard said in the patch notes that all instance drops would be rare quality items.

Comment by Stormblind

has anyone noticed a slightly nerfed drop rate on the Defias set? (Gloves/boots/pants). Ive run there probably 10-13 times over the past month, and ive found ONE pair of gloves, one pair or boots, and no pants.

It's mildly puzzling.

Comment by 107584

2 Expertise Rating gives 3 Expertise at level 20 which is pretty good.

Comment by 108978

i find it surprising that the boots gloves and legs were not upgraded in 2.3 and are still green...

Comment by 104026

well, the set is BoE except for the chest. Embrace of the viper is largely BoP.

The interesting thing about this is that it makes it viable for twinking, if you put an armor kit on the leggings, you can still take advantage of the set bonus value... which I THINK supplies better AP for melee, and only slightly less stam then the embrace set. It's pretty good, all in all.

I need to look at the numbers again, though.

Edit:
ok, comparison of typical twinking items vs. defias leather.

http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=10399 standard.
Unless you're alliance, this is the standard item for rogues. SOME will go for the tunic of westfall for the agi (http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=2041) , but this doesn't really hurt you.
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=10403 vs. http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=6468
18 AP vs. 5 agi and 6 stam. I think the new version of the defias belt may be BETTER, but you lose dodge.
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=10402 vs. http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=19969 or http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=1121
The boots hurt you probably the worst. You either lose out on 8 AP and 5 agi worth of dodge, or you miss out on 10 stam and a BC enchant.
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=10401 vs. http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=10413 or http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=6586 or even http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=7284
The gloves also lose you between 1 and 8 AP, including between 4-6 agi worth of dodge. They contain 1 stam, as opposed to the 4 in a scouting glove of the monkey. The red whelp gloves actually give a proc that's equivalent to 1-1.3 dps per minute with 1.5-1.9 speed daggers, the equivalent to about 14-20 AP. Being a 5% chance to proc, though, and the fact that a ton of rogues use shadowfang/cruel barb at this level, (and with shadowfang's relatively slow speed for a 1h), no one really uses the red whelp gloves.
and lastly http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=10400 vs. http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=5961 you lose 2 AP and 5 agi worth of dodge.

The set bonuses, however, make up for this by the expertise and AP bonuses.

The arcane resistance offers a slight buff to resisting polymorph, which is nice, but not dependable enough to be consequential unless stacked with more. The armor makes up for a little bit of lost agi, but again, it's not that great a bonus.

From typical twink gear, you're going to be down about 100-200 hp or 4-8 AP, (depending on what you pick) you'll also lose around 10% dodge from the agi. In return, YOUR attacks will gain about 0.95% chance to not miss, not be dodged, not be blocked, and not be parried. for warriors, pallies, shammies, and pets, that's 3.8% more on the table. for hunters and rogues that's 1.9% more. (correct me if my figures are wrong)

druids you'll likely be hitting from behind anyway. =P

Regardless, it doesn't look like a bad option, by any means. and it's more stylish.

Comment by 59139

they should make an epic lvl 15-24 set for leather mail cloth WHOOOO!!!

Comment by BobTheGreat

this might get downgraded but the +5 arcane resist is pretty useless i think

Comment by 125904

not if your going to be going to ghostlands Burning Crusade place, alot of the mobs (besides dead scar mobs) use arcane.

and mages PvP

Comment by 143126

Great twink set. My level 19 rogue has it along with Serpent Shoulders from Wailing Caverns (http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=5404). The chest is the only piece that binds on pickup, so you can buy the rest from others.

Comment by tehninja

u need the rogue only (http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=7997) to complete the set, cuz it looks cool, and shows that u went to deadmines and didnt just buy the set like a noob

Comment by goblinego

They really should update this set or all has only chest.

P.S.I think this is cooler than Embrace of the viper.

Comment by 194332

If your wasting your time trying to get this set to simply look "cool" dont bother..Juss buy a savory deviate delight

Comment by 227308

This set barely gives any good agility compared the the Embrace of the Viper set. Not very good, but looks a lot better.

Comment by trogdorhunter

For those of you who are comparing the Embrace of the Viper set with the Defias Leather set, at the time of this writing...

Defias Leather Set (complete)

314 Armor
+10 Strength
+9 Agility
+14 Stamina
+28 Attack Power
+5 Arcane Resist
+2 Expertise

Embrace of the Viper (complete)

333 Armor
+18 Strength
+26 Agility
+24 Stamina
+7 Nature Spell Power
+4 Expertise
+6 Spell Power
+10 Intellect

Those are the base stats without the combined effects. Since the combined effects will vary depending on your class (and talents in some cases) I leave it to you to do the math and decide which is best for your character.

Comment by goblinego

Men In Black,just that if your troll,then its

Blues in black

Comment by 319216

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Comment by Pomodorosan

Here are the maths!

Embrace of the Viper (with set bonuses):

+17 Agility
+10 Stamina
+8 Strength
+19 Armor
+2 Expertise
+10 Intellect
+6 Spell Power
+7 Nature Spell Power

Defias Leather (with set bonuses):

+28 Attack Power
+5 Arcane Resistance

The 17 Agility and 8 Strength totally make up for the 28 Attack Power of the Defias Leather.

Comment by 386847

I don't know if any1 has commented on this yet but:
Well i was going to get the chest piece on my 19 twink i remember you can lvl by accident there for ruinning you twinkness and really making you angry after you have spent 100s of Gold on enchants/armor *coughs*. So i suggest Getting a lvl80s help. Just get him/her to clear the instance until you get to VanCleef (remember on the way back to get the patrols!) Then run up and let Vancleef kill you. Then get your lvl 80 friend to kill VanCleef. *note DON'T rez till all the Blackguards are killed!*.Loot him and see if you got the drop! this can work with players that are 100-200xp shy of lvling. Just remember A little hope goes along way!

~works best if the Lvl 80 can rez
~ when running to get your lvl 19 friend its better to get another lvl80 clear the part before the instance first. Also don't leave the instance or it will reset

Comment by CrittinRogue

i can use Skeenagirl's method to get myself 2 Cruel Barbs, but im not sure if it will drop. i got ran more than 30 times, and no Cruel Barb,

Comment by 429943

http://www.cuckhead.com/?compare=10399:10403:10402:10401:10400:5193:10405:7997:2057:1925
Ultimatedefias

Comment by Knewl

As a newbie loving to run Deadmines, I've decided to affiliate the set drops:
(decent for Hunters, Rogues, Feral Druids or melee Shamans)

Blue Chest - Edwin Vancleef (Final boss)
Blue Waist - Captain Greenskin (sub boss on the boat)
Green Legs - Defias Melee + Defias Ranger (Dungeon Mobs)
Green Gloves - Defias Melee + Defias Ranger (Dungeon Mobs)
Green Boots - Defias Strip Miner (Dungeon Mob)

Comment by 293799

As of 4.03a, this is a legitimate rogue gear set to try to complete not only for the look, but also for the massive amount of stamina and agility. The set bonus is just a cherry on top!

Comment by squirrelthug

From what I can tell the drop rates have either been lowered or the NPCs just don't drop them at all anymore. Atlasloot addon doesn't show any bosses or mobs dropping it and wowhead still says NPCs like Edwin drop these items. Deperately trying to find out where they are as most of this is now great for my 19 twink.

Comment by 708580

Does the chestpiece still drop in Post-Cata Deadmines (non-heroic)?

Comment by duskmay

Recently (as in, a few minutes ago) had the Blackened Defias Leggings drop from trash in the new Deadmines. Can't remember what mob it was exactly, but it was on the way to the Helix's room, so I assume it was off the new Goblin Overseer mobs used to replace the old Defias ones (who used to drop it).

Will upload the data later, but at least one piece of this set still drops in the new Deadmines.

Comment by Arxroth

Farming this set for my new rogue.

So far got legs from Defias Overseer and they can drop gloves too.

I edit this as I get confirmed drops on loots.

Comment by VK107

This set is now obsolete, You CANNOT complete it. You can still get the trash drops but not the Chest and Belt. For those of you that have it, awesome. As for me, I got a full set on my rogue and I'm definately gonna level him and xmog it :D

Comment by Timothaar

Does any1 know a great head for this set other than defias-mask? cause i kept this in bank for ages ago and it would be nice to trasnmoph it xD

Comment by Westorz

The Brotherhood shall rise...

Comment by TrutusBalnazzar

For anyone currently comparing this set to Embrace of the Viper, as of 5.3:

Defias Leather
40 agility
31 stamina
4 spirit
478 armour
2 expertise
5 arcane resistance

Embrace of the Viper
30 agility
20 intellect
28 stamina
376 armour
4 expertise

So if you pick Embrace of the Viper, you'll gain 20 intellect and 2 expertise compared to Defias Leather, but you'll lose out on a whopping 10 Agility, 3 Stamina, 4 Spirit, 102 Armor and 5 Arcane Resistance. Sadly Defias Leather is no longer available, maybe Blizzard will bring it back? *Hopeful face*.

Comment by Stultusaur

Coincidentally I just got the gloves and the pants at the same time :P

Comment by Rangefear

I remember the old days when every rogue, druid, and hunter twink would wear this in Warsong Gulch. Such good times

Comment by MountainKing

Since 4.3, the complete set is no longer attainable.

Blackened Defias Armor dropped from Edwin Van Cleef and was removed from the game when the Cataclysm hit in patch 4.3 and the Deadmines instance was revamped.

Blackened Defias Belt was removed in 4.3. However, since this item is bind on equip, it can still occasionally be found on the Auction House for around 5,000 gold.

Blackened Defias Boots was removed in 4.3. However, since this item is bind on equip, it can still occasionally be found on the Auction House for around 10,000 gold.

Blackened Defias Gloves are still available and are a rare drop from the two neutral Defias Overseers in Normal mode Deadmines. They can also be purchased from the Auction House for around 2,000 gold.

Blackened Defias Leggings are still available and are a rare drop from the two neutral Defias Overseers in Normal mode Deadmines. They can also be purchased from the Auction House for around 2,000 gold.

Comment by Ixui

With the hide shoulder option coming in Legion, this will be a perfect transmog set!

Comment by Rinar

Here is an update on this armor set for transmog if you are an outlaw Rogue and have the green Wing macaw go in this dungeon on normal difficulty as you make your way through the last door summon the bird before you walk through you will see a ghost of the green Wing macaw and you will get an icon for the grappling hook click on it and you will pick up a Quest from a ghost pirate to collect 100 defias Brotherhood bandanas simply kill all of the Brotherhood in there the bandanas drop off of everything you may have to go out and reset to collect all of them return to him and he will give you the Brotherhood armor but you must be an outlaw Rogue if you are another person just switch to the outlaw spec just to get the grappling hook icon and then switch back and you must have the green Wing macaw

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Defias Leather

Defias Leather is an item set that contains 5 pieces.

	Blackened Defias Armor (1)
	Blackened Defias Belt (1)
	Blackened Defias Boots (1)
	Blackened Defias Gloves (1)
	Blackened Defias Leggings (1)

This item set is not available to players.

Defias Leather

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