Upcoming Changes to Dungeon Finder and Vote Kick

Live Posted 2011/02/16 at 11:00 PM by Miyari

We’re making a number of hotfixes to address use of the Dungeon Finder and vote kick tools. The following hotfixes will require realm restarts to implement, which are likely to be next Tuesday’s weekly maintenance.

Players who are outside a dungeon for more than 3 minutes are now immediately able to be kicked.
If queuing as a group with a tank or healer, and the tank or healer drops group (or is kicked) soon after joining, those that queued with them will also be removed from the dungeon.
If three or more players group queue with each other it will require an additional vote for them to kick anyone they did not group queue with.
If a group queue of 4 kicks the one person that they did not group queue with they will each receive a more severe penalty to their ability to initiate future kicks.
If someone initiates a vote kick for someone they group queued with they will not incur a penalty to their ability to initiate future kicks.

With these changes we hope to reduce some undesirable behavior and annoyances, and encourage greater patience when using the Dungeon Finder. In addition, keep in mind that both initiating and agreeing to vote kick have always carried the same weight to your ability to kick in the future. It's always best to save your votes for when it really counts to ensure your ability to kick is available when it does.

We’ll of course be watching how these changes work to improve these systems, and always appreciate your feedback.

As these and other hotfixes are implemented, they'll be added to the hotfix blog - http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/2259389#blog

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Comment by xaratherusYour logic is stupid, just like Blizzard's.

If you invite all of your friends to your apartment and one doesn't show, do you then assume they're not your friend because they didn't show, or do you assume (as you should) that they may have had something else that needed to be done, something more important?

Both you and Blizzard are jumping to conclusions, claiming that all tanks who leave early are bad tanks or players and are only doing it for their own selfish needs. Even if this were the case, that doesn't mean the other players are like this, so why should they have to wait "40 minutes" as you say, because of the player they happened to join with?

This however, isn't usually the case. I already used an example in my original post, allow me to use it again: What if my mate's a tank or healer but then gets called into work at the last minute and has to leave? What if he disconnects as soon as he gets on and can't get back online and gets kicked?

Disconnects happen, real life happens, sometimes it happens at incredibly inconvenient times. Just like the RNG in this game, real life imposes things upon us that cannot be predicted. Why is it my fault that the tank I joined with left at the last minute, for what may be a perfectly justifiable reason? Real life takes precedence over WoW, Blizzard even encourage such thinking inside the very game you're playing.Comment by CiashaI dont like "If queuing as a group with a tank or healer, and the tank or healer drops group (or is kicked) soon after joining, those that queued with them will also be removed from the dungeon."
Because sometimes tanks or healers have IRL things that are unforseen, so why punish their friends.Comment by PwntiffMildly unfair, but it's a case of the "exploiters" ruining things for the rest of the population.Comment by 278980This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by HyperspacerebelYes, but there ARE times that you get a healer or tank to queue with you, and something comes up after the first pull, and they have to leave. How fair is it that, say, you queue with a tank or healer, and you get thru the first pull, and - god forbid - an emergency arises with a parent, spouse, or child, and they have to drop fast to deal with said emergency? In that case, it's not exactly fair to the people they queue'd with who get booted, and it's not like the person with the emergency can say "Oh, honey, hold on just a couple of minutes, so I can drop the dungeon without these guys getting kicked, too!"Comment by CiashaYes, but there ARE times that you get a healer or tank to queue with you, and something comes up after the first pull, and they have to leave. How fair is it that, say, you queue with a tank or healer, and you get thru the first pull, and - god forbid - an emergency arises with a parent, spouse, or child, and they have to drop fast to deal with said emergency? In that case, it's not exactly fair to the people they queue'd with who get booted, and it's not like the person with the emergency can say "Oh, honey, hold on just a couple of minutes, so I can drop the dungeon without these guys getting kicked, too!"Comment by HyperspacerebelYou (and other people arguing against it) keep coming back to such a self-centered argument. I say stop ignoring the people in the queue you're ripping off.Comment by xaratherusSo, yes, it is unfair if I queue with a friend who's a tank, then they have to drop and *I* get kicked and have to re-queue with another tank, and meanwhile the other people whom I got assigned to the dungeon with STILL have to wait for another tank to get assigned to themComment by CiashaActually, you're not ripping anyone in queue off when you have multiple friends who are tanks or heals, who all like to run with you on your dps toon because you at least have situational-awareness that a lot of random dps'ers seem to lack. Most of the time, I won't queue up at all unless I can get one of my tanking friends to queue with me, because too many times I've gotten in a random and ended up in a group where everyone BUT the tank was good at their job. I had a group go through three healers once because the tank was a total jerk and disregarded whether or not the healer had mana or was even with him when he'd pull, and we couldn't kick him because of the crap where you can't vote-kick for however long after entering the dungeon.Comment by HyperspacerebelActually, you're not ripping anyone in queue off when you have multiple friends who are tanks or heals, who all like to run with you on your dps toon because you at least have situational-awareness that a lot of random dps'ers seem to lack. Most of the time, I won't queue up at all unless I can get one of my tanking friends to queue with me, because too many times I've gotten in a random and ended up in a group where everyone BUT the tank was good at their job. I had a group go through three healers once because the tank was a total jerk and disregarded whether or not the healer had mana or was even with him when he'd pull, and we couldn't kick him because of the crap where you can't vote-kick for however long after entering the dungeon.Comment by MondayIf three or more players group queue with each other it will require an additional vote for them to kick anyone they did not group queue with.If a group queue of 4 kicks the one person that they did not group queue with they will each receive a more severe penalty to their ability to initiate future kicks.Comment by reddwarfIf three or more players group queue with each other it will require an additional vote for them to kick anyone they did not group queue with.Comment by MondayIf three or more players group queue with each other it will require an additional vote for them to kick anyone they did not group queue with.Comment by HyperspacerebelIf three or more players group queue with each other it will require an additional vote for them to kick anyone they did not group queue with.Comment by 135522The system cannot be made PERFECT, but this goes a long way toward making it better. I agree 100% with it when it comes to tanks, and maybe 75% with it when it comes to healers. Perhaps a better solution would have been "If any member of your group has been in ques less than 1 minute", as opposed to the current "tank or healer" rule. My opinion is based on the fact that tanks have nearly INSTANT ques, meaning that highly unlikely that anything "just came up", during the 5 seconds you were in que. While faster than DPS, healers in my battlegroup, still have a wait time of 5-10 minutes, so it is, in theroy, much more possible that something could arise in that time period.

I am also surprised that they did not use this as an opprotunity to address another annoying issue with tanks and the LFD tool, and that is "Looking for Dungeon in progress" ques. I have noticed a lot more in the last couple weeks that I will have my que pop, only to have "someone" (the tank) decline, and this will happen sometimes 10-15 times. So its obvious that a tank is looking for an in progress run to complete, hoping for a 1 or 2 boss run, instead of a 45 minute heroic grind. It would seem pretty simple to me, just give a 5 minute deserter debuff to anyone who does not accept a que. For legit reasons (like having waited 45 minutes as DPS, going to the restroom, and comming back only to find your que had popped), it would not be a horrible loss, but it would stop the issue of tanks trying to cherrypick a partial run.Comment by reddwarfThey already changed it so you don't see "In Progress" anymore.Comment by AzrileIt seems like these will create more problems than solve.

"If a group queue of 4 kicks the one person that they did not group queue with they will each receive a more severe penalty to their ability to initiate future kicks."

So if me and 3 of my guildies do a heroic, and zone in with a random healer/tank/dps who sucks and/or is incompetent or foul mouthed or just a flat out Dbag, or "brb, 3 minutes" ever other pull, we will get penalized for kicking that person?

:-\Comment by 585570I think it's important to remember that blizzard can't please everyone. If you queue with a tank friend and he has to go for some legitimate reason, yes, this sucks. However, what is more likely, and what is the bigger issue? These are important to understanding blizzardComment by AzrileIf three or more players group queue with each other it will require an additional vote for them to kick anyone they did not group queue with.Comment by 218246This post was from a user who has deleted their account.

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