He sounds more authoritarian than fascistic.
I knew it (somehow). When I saw the name 'Zereth Mortis' something clicked in my mind: What if there's a 'Zereth' for each cosmic power then?Zereth: Mortis (Death), Vitas (from latin Vita, Life), Ordus (from latin Ordo, Order), Tumultus (Disorder), Lux (Light), Umbra (Shadow).Maybe we're reviewing each 'Zereth', being light and shadow the last ones? We visit each cosmic power's realms, physically?Also, we're fully going cosmic here now, reminds me of Starcraft, the Xel'naga, who created beings, one with purity of FORM (Zerg), and the other with purity of Essence (Protoss), or was it the other way around, so many years since LoTV.
While i understand the points in this post I cant say i agree with all of them...This is the way i see it:The talk about the beings of flesh being "useful if controlled" and thinking of eradicating them sounds bad, here is is trying to stop an anomaly from spreading, similar to the titans trying to stop the old gods corrupting Azeroth. But he did figure they could be left alone, either since he didn't see an issue with them, being titan derived constructs after all, or if he in some way thought that a bit of chaos could solve arising problems order could not."First: All historical records documenting the advancements of the Black Empire are to be purged immediately.Pain that age as one of chaos and misery, a pernicious blight that we keepers eradicated. With the Old Gods locked in confinement, there should be no evidence available to contradict our assertions."To me this simply reads as "tell them life with the old gods was @#$%, oh and also tell them that we totally eradicated them even though we didn't", ie. the lie isn't in the part where he speaks of chaos and misery but rather the eradication thereof. Seeing that he's talking about "advancements" the text should refer to the old gods working to set themselves free.Second and Third, he's being an &*!@#$% and thinking their pea sized brains cant comprehend what our mighty titan-built intellects can, don't tell them about stuff they are too small to understand.And lastly, order vs control.This makes sense. He's talking about inanimate things, dead things. A machine is a machine and does what it's told. A titan construct is order since it'd built from order, programmed from order and does things orderly. ie. Order is predictable. One thing in order plays nice with another thing in order.Life however gives rise to chaos. Life can mean many things, among other sentience and free will and those things are dangerous to order. This is entirely logical from someone dealing in "order". In a perfect ordered Warcraft universe there would probably not be any form of organic non ordered life, no free will, little to no sentience and no free will.
To be fair, I don't think lore ever said that the Titans created the cosmos - merely that they seeded it with life.
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None of this makes any sense.First, is Danuser seriously doubling down on the First Ones "Titans but cooler because I came up with them" bull*!@#? Like normally I'd write a longpost explaining everything that's wrong with this but I'm just a little to dumbfounded to even know where to start aside from saying that messing with the building blocks that make up the base on which all the lore comes from is a REALLY bad idea when you're already working with the lore equivalent of a Jenga tower.And then there's the rest of this "Black Empire that tortures people's minds, drives people to kill their friends and family and creates omnicidal monsters is not actually ALL bad." implication like, what? I mean yeah, neither the light nor the titans are *objectively* good. (Algalon trying to nuke the planet springs to mind). But it seems like they're trying to set both of them up as villainous to be **MoRaLlY GrAy** when that would turn 90% of what we've done from 2004 until now into "Oops, you've been manipulated because you're all dumb." Like is nothing in the universe on our side? Is that the takeaway here? Everything is bad except us murder hobos? If you make everything to be a look into the complexity of morality and perspective then there's no longer any grounding for the narrative to take place on.
I'm commenting on this without reading through the comments, so please pardon any redundancy - but we have actual living beings who claim to remember the Black Empire first-hand (or second-hand at worst).Why don't we ask the Tortollans?
Hrm. Maybe the old gods and titans will leave on their own accord? Hehe. I’m reminded of the Shadows and the Vorlons.
Okay, lemme guess this community's new hot take: "Titans bad, Old Gods good". Just like how you thought "Everyone else is Shadowlands bad, Jailor good" until it was shown that he wasn't. Am I on track?