Y'all forgetting that Chris Metzen is responsible for some of the worst storylines in this game, particularly Green Jesus
While I agree that harrasing writers is clearly not ok, it' also unfair to lump genuine critics with toxic !@#$%^&s. And let's face it, for every troll you at least get 10 people writing genuine criticism.And as for the Last Jedi, the movie was absolute trash on every point. You can't ruin well established characters or bring up never before seen nonsense and expect people to take it. Calling actual fans who want the universe and its characters respected as nothing but trolls is just dishonest.On a final note, while I dislike some parts of the BfA storyline, I'm hyped for other parts of it. As for the whole "toxic fandom", it's become an excuse that talentless hacks use for bad writing or plot, in most cases it is. cough*Marvel comics* cough
He is absolutely right. <3
I agree with most of what he said except the parts about Rian Johnson. Along with Kathleen Kennedy he took a beloved space opera and turned it into a SJW nightmare with no plot cohesiveness that threw the rest of the series out the window.(Seriously that woman is cancer...even people at Disney are sick of her crap).
A lot of proving his point going on here.
You don't have to take the comments themselves, but at least notice the trend of dissatisfied and ask yourself if you're taking things in the right direction. Same issue with Star Wars, funnily enough, "Oh well the fans hate it they just are racist and sexist and toxic and I did gud." Well, no.As sucky as it might be, you can't just use the fact that people take criticism too far to wave off all criticism of what you're doing. Especially when you attack 'the nerd community' or 'angry nerds'. These people do realize that nerds are the reason their jobs even exist, right? Honestly, the fact that we have to denounce the people taking too far to even make this point without instant dismissal is pathetic in itself.Also, on a less obnoxious note, I had a weird roller coaster ride with these stories. I hated Sylvanas during her warbringers short, got suspicious of Saurfang during his cinematic and finally switched that hatred from Sylvanas to Saurfang during the prepatch content and subsequent reading of A Good War.
Well said, look at all the whinefests on the wow forums with people decrying the story and throwing temper tantrums and declaring BFA for over and horrible and longer want to play it. Only to turn on a dime when Old soldier came out.It is really little wonder that devs rarely bother to engage directly with online communities, they are simply too toxic and hateful of anything that doesnt fit into their echo chamber.Being a gamer nerd doesnt entitle you to be nasty.
Christ, Why does everyone keep !@#$ting on their own communities? Marvel Comics, Star Wars, Warcraft.. If these companies keep trying to play the hero and acting like a few ^&*!@#$s on Twitter are representative of their "communities" then they're just going to piss off all of the rest of their supporters. There will ALWAYS be asshats online, being asshats, just because they can be asshats. If you can't learn to ignore them then the internet isn't the place for you. I'm not defending them; I'd LOVE if you could go online and there weren't people everywhere being ^&*!s for no reason, but that's the world we live in.
Fans should stop pretending that WOW had some amazing level of writing to begin with. It has always been serviceable, video game writing with a few gems here and there. Overall not bad, but it will never reach some "greatest of all time" level in the fantasy genre. Not in a million years. It all boils down to faction fanboys that still think being Horde or Alliance means anything. I expect that sort of mentality from teens just getting into the game, but not people in their 20's or 30's. I can't comprehend getting upset because of how "your" faction is portrayed in the storytelling.
after I saw Burning of Teldrassil, I was very angry and probably toxic as well. I don't mind burning or Sylvanas making this decision. I was angry at how it was executed.I love story so far. yes, sometimes it makes me happy or angry. sometimes i go nuts or I am sad. that's how to define good story. it makes you feel somethingonly feeling that defines bad story is regret for doing/reading/watching itI still don't like how pre-patch event played out. it was pretty stupid. if only they made free stories available online earlier (elegy, good war) or in-game quests reflected better, what happened, it would be much much better and there would not be so much toxicity
To give you a more personal perspective:I have been playing WoW for nearly 14 years now - since the beta. I played Night Elf in the beta and in all but one of the expansions. I have been through the Teldrassil several times and I love the looks, the feel and the experience. I was already an adult back in 2004, but still I have Teldrassil as a cute and warm childhood memory. A memory that made me still pay the monthly subscription, although I do not have so much time to play now.And to say I am ragingly mad at the Teldrassil destruction is an understatement. And to add insult to injury - the lore behind it is absolutely terrible. Are Blizzard writers 5-year olds or an adults? When you see a 5-year old draw something &*!@ty - you are supportive. Should you be that supportive to an adult person, who actually gets paid to do this? Is the Teldrassil destruction the best they could think of?As an artist - for whom does he created his works - just for himself or for the others? My guess that it is for the others, otherwise he would have not shown it to anyone. So - if he feels that other should have so much thick skin so that they move on and not consume a terrible content - should't lore writers have the same thick skin and not be offended by feedback comments?
This disgusting behavior of refusing any sort of responsibility for one's own shortcomings is lately quite popular in movie and video gaming industry. Every incompetent dolt who does a terrible job refuses any criticism and simply calls it toxic/nazi/right-wing or which ever fancy excuse is on the menu that day. Sure, writers shouldn't be threatened or harassed. But they should take responsibility for their work when it's garbage, not only when they're receiving awards.
Always this toxic argument... It's lazy.Some of the design choices made by some great people like Metzen are simply bad. There's no way around it. Almost nobody just hits home runs every single time. The greater your body of work, the more likely there's something really bad in there.The greater you are at what you do, the more starkly your failures are in contrast to your personal average. If your work is great enough, even average starts to look bad to people. I personally believe this is a good thing. It causes groups to be very demanding. While it might not feel good on a bad day this certainly holds you to a high standard, which, should you fulfill it, makes your work all the better.Add to that, that it's hard to not compare your work with other people's. Especially since it isn't easy to, at a glance, see who worked at what specifically.Now, all that being said, there are also a lot of really bad story writers who still get the job. The new Star Wars movies are full of story holes and contradict a lot of lore. Just cause you work for the people who have the license, doesn't make you informed, or even just a fan. Connections, obviously, matter more in lots of cases.I mean just look at the ratings for Episode I-III. The new movies caused them to surge up. That's how good those suddenly looked in comparison. And come on, I really enjoyed III and thought II was ok but I was just a mess. Still, it at least looked like a professional movie. I don't feel that way about Episode 7.In the end I think a lot of people are bad at expressing themselves well, and do it in the heat of the moment rather than reasoning well. That does not invalidate their opinion. If you work for something as big as WoW or let alone Star Wars of Star Trek, you need to take the good with the bad. And you ought to hold yourself to a high standard of interacting with the community. A lot of smaller companies and some very few big ones manage it exceedingly well. Most of them have an active dialogue instead of just pumping out PR, so yeah, it's more work. But it seems to pay off. The products are without exception better, and the community seems mostly relaxed.Also, let's not ignore a simple fact here: If you're in a position to work as a writer for such a prestigious company, I'd expect you to be at least somewhere in the age range of 25-30. Your fans are everyone from 8-90. You can't expect everyone to argue like an adult. To generalize because you can't deal with teenagers (I mean, who can? They can be awesome, but they're almost always also annoying.) is just a sign that you ought to get some perspective.