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Commentaire de Calcitrant

Provides you with a choice of up to 3 schematics to learn.

you get the notes from scrapping other schematics as well as the green items picked up from scrapping

Commentaire de Dervos

If you can't currently learn something from the item, you'll get the message;

There is nothing left to invent and you cannot be convinced otherwise.

You may still have recipes to learn but require points in certain specializations.

For example, to get the recipes for profession gear, you need to unlock the Profession Gear specialization under Engineered Equipment, then your Comprehensibly Organized Ideas will give new recipes.

Commentaire de Qoko

If you want to max your Tas de débris rouillés yield, keep at least one invention unlearned! (so anything marked 'Invention' in the Engineering window). This includes prototypes and those learned from Idées intelligibles. For details, see the spoiler tag.

Once you learn all inventions, they no longer drop from Tri des matériaux recyclés. This sort of makes sense, but Démontage d’invention also gives about 15 Tas de débris rouillés on average so you lose out on a lot of scrap (which in turn give parts to use or sell). Démontage d’invention takes exactly two minutes a stack at Crafting Speed 75%, so in the long run this is definitely worth it. Tri des matériaux recyclés will give some leftover scrap (and notes in case you still miss patterns from Idées intelligibles) instead of inventions but this pales in comparison to the thousands you get from disassembling.

I can now first hand confirm this: wanting to max out my knowledge from First Crafts the only pattern I'm now missing is Capsule de sauvetage défectueuse: Inventer and Tri des matériaux recyclés give me Prototype : capsule de sauvetage défectueuse consistently. If you go down to just one invention just bank it to prevent learning it by accident. Every other invention will now be Prototype méconnaissable that you can Démontage d’invention at will.

I'm not sure if this effective nerf is intended but it seems to be, considering the 'leftover' from scouring after you learn all inventions.

Commentaire de lexmosti

How many schematics we can learn by using this item?

Commentaire de selerik

The War Within Engineering - Discovery Mechanics (A great idea, or scrap it?)
Engineers can learn 75 new recipes as of The War Within's launch, 50 of which are gated behind Discovery mechanics.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Works

Engineers get started with Tri des matériaux recyclés, taught by their profession trainer.
Tri des matériaux recyclés will quickly allow the engineer to discover the profession's other essential skills, standard parts, and be a rare source of prototypes .
They will quickly learn Inventer, which is a guaranteed* prototype each day. (*While supplies last)

Prototypes are single-use versions of engineer recipes which teach that recipe when used.

IMPORTANT: Once an Engineer learns the recipe, they will never receive the prototype version again.

Démontage d’invention can be used on unwanted or excess prototypes (including Prototype méconnaissable), generating up to 10 Tas de débris rouillés and Notes griffonnées à la hâte.
Notes griffonnées à la hâte create Idées intelligibles, which can only be used to learn Engineering recipes. Neither item has any vendor value or other uses.

Discovery Mechanics - How it Doesn't Work

The discovery flavor and mechanics are built around 3 abilities: Tri des matériaux recyclés, Inventer, and Démontage d’invention.
If an engineer learns all 14 recipes linked to prototypes, they will never receive a prototype again.
Instead of Prototype méconnaissable, they directly receive Notes griffonnées à la hâte.

What are the impacts of losing the prototype mechanic?

Démontage d’invention ceases to function.
After the initial discovery/skill-up phase, Inventer also ceases to have any function.
Since prototypes (recyclable) are replaced with Notes griffonnées à la hâte (not recyclable), Tri des matériaux recyclés becomes a less efficient source of parts.

How many Idées intelligibles does an engineer actually need?

28 recipes require Idées intelligibles to discover them.

How the Engineer allocates their Engineering Knowledge is also important, since three different sub-specialties control access to discoveries..

6 are gated behind Équipement de métier, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Lunettes, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.
4 are gated behind Brassards, and can't be learned until the sub-specialty is unlocked.

What about when you have invented everything?
There is light at the end of the tunnel!
When you have discovered the final recipe requiring Idées intelligibles , you will cease to receive Notes griffonnées à la hâte completely.
Tri des matériaux recyclés will now have a chance to create the finished version of prototyped recipes, such as the tinker modules and potion bombs.
Inventer will have a 100% chance to produce the finished version of one of the prototyped recipes.

Engineering Recipes - Source Breakdown

Discovery - Tri des matériaux recyclés: 8
Discovery - Inventer Prototypes: 15
Warning: If you discover all Prototypes, you will no longer be able to use Démontage d’invention!

Discovery from Idées intelligibles: 42

Note: All invenions that can be Prototyped can also be discovered from Idées intelligibles.
Discovery Requirement - Lunettes: 4
Discovery Requirement - Équipement de métier: 6
Discovery Requirement - Brassards: 4

Profession Trainer: 8
Vendors: 9
Quest Rewards: 1
Total Recipes: 75

Commentaire de Hhalle567

Awesome post selerik, thank you!

Here are the 14 Prototypes, it's okay to learn all but one of them (you pick):

3 Explosives:

Potion Bomb of Power
Potion Bomb of Recovery
Potion Bomb of Speed

2 Tinkers:

Earthen Delivery Drill
Heartseeking Health Injector

and 9 Devices:

Barrel of Fireworks
Defective Escape Pod
Filmless Camera
Wormhole Generator: Khaz Algar
Convincingly Realistic Jumper Cables
Irresistible Red Button
Pausing Pylon
Algari Repair Bot 11O
Portable Profession Possibility Projector

Box o' Booms, Stonebound Lantern, and Crowd Pummeler 2-30 apparently do not have a chance of showing up as a "Prototype: "

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Niveau d'objet 80
Lié quand ramassé

Utilise: Vous étudiez vos notes pour choisir un nouveau schéma d’ingénierie à apprendre.

Le choix des schémas possibles augmente au fur et à mesure que vous vous spécialisez en ingénierie.
Ingénierie de Khaz Algar (1) requis
"Vous ne savez pas ce que ces fragments représentent. Une réorganisation inspirée pourrait vous donner des idées."

Empilement maxi: 200

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