Pantheon Trinkets Will Now Follow Loot Specialization Past First Drop

Live Posted 2018/03/13 at 8:22 PM by Squishei

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Blizzard

Hey guys! Just wanted to follow up with this since there was quite a bit of discussion and some really good feedback on how the Epic Pantheon Trinkets are awarded. Recently we've pushed forward a change before this current reset.

The Pantheon trinkets for drops after the first now obey your loot specializations. Previously it only followed your loot specialization for the first one and the second was random for your other specs.

Appreciate all of the feedback you guys have been giving us about this!

Aman'Thul's Vision - All Classes:
Mark of Aman'thul: Your spells and abilities have a chance to grant you 1089 Speed, Avoidance, and Leech for 12 sec. 1.4 ppm

Aman'Thul's Grandeur When empowered by the Pantheon, your Agility/Strength/Intellect is increased by 1087 for 15 sec.

Golganneth's Vitality - Agility DPS

Mark of Golganneth: Your damaging abilities have a chance to create a Ravaging Storm at your target's location, inflicting (24783 * 6) Nature damage split among all enemies within 6 yds over 6 sec. 1.8 ppm

Golganneth's Thunderous Wrath: When empowered by the Pantheon, your autoattacks cause an explosion of lightning dealing Nature damage to all enemies within 8 yds of the target. Lasts 15 sec.

Khaz'goroth's Courage - Strength DPS

Mark of Khaz'goroth: Your damaging attacks have a chance to make your weapon glow hot with the fire of Khaz'goroth's forge, causing your autoattacks to do (1 * Mainhand weapon base speed * 12614 to 13940) additional Fire damage for 12 sec. 1.4 ppm

Khaz'goroth's Shaping: When empowered by the Pantheon, your Critical Strike, Haste, Mastery, or Versatility is increased by 2614 for 15 sec. Khaz'goroth always empowers your highest stat.

Norgannon's Prowess - Casters

Mark of Norgannon: Your damaging spells have a chance to increase your Intellect by 3257 for 12 sec. 1.4 ppm

Norgannon's Command When empowered by the Pantheon, you gain 6 charges of Norgannon's Command for 15 sec. Your damaging spells expend a charge to inflict an additional 45760 damage to the target, from a random school of magic.

Aggramar's Conviction - Tanks

Mark of Aggramar: Taking damage has a chance to increase your Versatility by 2697 for 14 sec. 1.4 ppm

Aggramar's Fortitude - active in Antorus: When empowered by the Pantheon, your maximum health is increased by 459366 for 15 sec, and you are healed to full health.

Eonar's Compassion - Healers

Mark of Eonar: Your healing effects have a chance to grow an Emerald Blossom nearby, which heals a random injured ally for 36100 every 2 sec. Lasts 12 sec. 1.2 ppm

Eonar's Verdant Embrace: When empowered by the Pantheon, your next 4 direct healing spells grant the target a shield that prevents 71132 damage for 30 sec.

Blizzard

7 weeks and no pantheon trinket, yet others can get it in 1 week.Do you not see a flaw in your system?

I mean at this point a 5 year old could think of a better loot system

Now I am getting upgrade drops and no trinket to put them on (no offspec), so I have to begrudgingly delete them. D:

I think overall RNG works well in games if it isn't taken too far, perhaps people are just a little over it this expansion seeing as its been put into just about every aspect of the game to drag out played time?

Pantheon's Blessings should drop at 2-3x the normal rate once you have a trinket at 1,000.

Comment by FelsuriaWhat if my Havoc trinket is 1000, but I'm still fishing for Havoc relics?

Will the tank one never drop for as long as I'm in Havoc loot spec?
I mean, personally I'm cool with that, but I am curious if that's what this means.Comment by 1505947This post was from a user who has deleted their account.Comment by lanilani26Do normal argus first for tank trinket, then heroic for havoc relics.Comment by nmb3000Well to be fair, the Pantheon trinket reward system really is pretty horrible. Making an upgradeable trinket with a guaranteed drop on the upgrade, but for which the trinket is a random chance feels very bad. You are basically teasing people for not having gotten their trinket yet. And frankly, taking 3 months to fix the off-spec rewards being random is just sad.

But the icing on the cake is the random legendary trinket that most people apparently won't see until it just doesn't matter anymore (if ever). I don't know who came up with the idea to have the last boss in the expansion drop a rare legendary item AND make it provide such a small power increase due to over-inflated gear, but it's terrible. And to double down on the bad, it is a trinket, which means it has zero value outside of a temporary small power gain in one single raid instance.

I'll take the Mists or Warlords legendary system over this burning Legion legendary dumpster fire any day.Comment by CyrusDarkstarThese Pantheon trinket drops have been a debacle since Day 1. At least on Draenor, arguably a huge debacle in so many ways, we could BUY our off spec legendary rings after completing the quest line.

Blizzard seems to take even the slightest critique against their nonstop RNG system in Legion as nothing short of heresy.Comment by phoenicksWell to be fair, the Pantheon trinket reward system really is pretty horrible. Making an upgradeable trinket with a guaranteed drop on the upgrade, but for which the trinket is a random chance feels very bad. You are basically teasing people for not having gotten their trinket yet. And frankly, taking 3 months to fix the off-spec rewards being random is just sad.

But the icing on the cake is the random legendary trinket that most people apparently won't see until it just doesn't matter anymore (if ever). I don't know who came up with the idea to have the last boss in the expansion drop a rare legendary item AND make it provide such a small power increase due to over-inflated gear, but it's terrible. And to double down on the bad, it is a trinket, which means it has zero value outside of a temporary small power gain in one single raid instance.

I'll take the Mists or Warlords legendary system over this burning Legion legendary dumpster fire any day.Comment by MrLathusI can definately Well to be fair, the Pantheon trinket reward system really is pretty horrible. Making an upgradeable trinket with a guaranteed drop on the upgrade, but for which the trinket is a random chance feels very bad. You are basically teasing people for not having gotten their trinket yet. And frankly, taking 3 months to fix the off-spec rewards being random is just sad.

But the icing on the cake is the random legendary trinket that most people apparently won't see until it just doesn't matter anymore (if ever). I don't know who came up with the idea to have the last boss in the expansion drop a rare legendary item AND make it provide such a small power increase due to over-inflated gear, but it's terrible. And to double down on the bad, it is a trinket, which means it has zero value outside of a temporary small power gain in one single raid instance.

I'll take the Mists or Warlords legendary system over this burning Legion legendary dumpster fire any day.Comment by InterestWell to be fair, the Pantheon trinket reward system really is pretty horrible. Making an upgradeable trinket with a guaranteed drop on the upgrade, but for which the trinket is a random chance feels very bad. You are basically teasing people for not having gotten their trinket yet. And frankly, taking 3 months to fix the off-spec rewards being random is just sad.But the icing on the cake is the random legendary trinket that most people apparently won't see until it just doesn't matter anymore (if ever). I don't know who came up with the idea to have the last boss in the expansion drop a rare legendary item AND make it provide such a small power increase due to over-inflated gear, but it's terrible. And to double down on the bad, it is a trinket, which means it has zero value outside of a temporary small power gain in one single raid instance.Sounds awfully similar to Thori'dal.I'll take the Mists or Warlords legendary system over this burning Legion legendary dumpster fire any day.Personally, I find such a design philosophy outdated since there are ways to capture to joy of being on the positive end of a random result without getting too upset by a negative one - such methods are not utilized aggressively enough in the Legion legendary system.Legion strongly featured both of these systems. WoW generally uses both of these systems consistently.Comment by MclagginSo, they fixed a bug? Well hot damn. WoW! There's like a 40 page thread addressing how flawed the trinkets being on personal loot are(and not being able to bonus roll them after 15 weeks) and their grand announcement is "Hey, umm, trinkets were dropping randomly regardless of spec so we fixed that". gg blizz ggComment by GrortraughHot take: I think the trinket system work fine, even if the legendary version was so rare as to be silly.Comment by orleadan"I'd be eager to hear your suggestions on how it could be better. I mean, the existing one has functioned pretty well for the past 13 years for WoW specifically and for the past 20 years across an entire genre of games (other genres too, but you get my point)."

I don't think the past 13 years they had a loot system as bad as legion did with such examples as: What gear relinquished can drop (tier, arcano and other stuff aswell), then the legendary system (right now it's not as bad because you can get pretty much 2-3 legendaries a week, but in the begining of the expansion up until the very end when they added legendaries for wakening essences and made them drop more often it was really bad), then there is the titanforging which has to be the literal worst thing ever to happen to this game (there's plenty of reasons why this is the worst thing to ever happen to this game so i'm not even going to get into it).

I just don't understand after everyone complaining so much about legendaries, titanforging and all that stuff, how do they think it's still a good system.Comment by qaccy
I'll take the Mists or Warlords legendary system over this burning Legion legendary dumpster fire any day.Personally, I find such a design philosophy outdated since there are ways to capture to joy of being on the positive end of a random result without getting too upset by a negative one - such methods are not utilized aggressively enough in the Legion legendary system.Legion strongly featured both of these systems. WoW generally uses both of these systems consistently.Comment by JaceDraccus

I just don't understand after everyone complaining so much about legendaries, titanforging and all that stuff, how do they think it's still a good system.Comment by MerakasI mean at this point a 5 year old could think of a better loot system
I'd be eager to hear your suggestions on how it could be better. I mean, the existing one has functioned pretty well for the past 13 years for WoW specifically and for the past 20 years across an entire genre of games (other genres too, but you get my point).Comment by KimaellWe've been killing Argus Normal and Heroic every week since the raid launched and we saw only 1 Amantul's legendary trinket...
Yeah, great system...Comment by vovanyRandom loot is great thing in case of taishalak (sword of agrammar), mounts and other things, which have not impact on your raid progress. Pantheon trinket is the best trinket for almost all specialization, thus if you are not lucky, you won't have big dps or hps. As for me, I was disappointed in this game and considered to quit several times, because all my friends have got this trinket on the first week, while I have looted only after 7th kill. I would not be mad, if only one my friend looted it. But since I was the one among 12 people, who did not get lucky, it was offensive. By the way, I killed argus 7 times on my main, and 10 times on my other characters before I have got the trinket.
In result, the draenor system, where your hard work ( competing quests) was rewarded ( I mean you can buy your legendary ring), is the best.Comment by tussockBefore this post

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BlIzZ kEePs GiViNg mE GeAr FoR mY MSComment by balljingo"I'd be eager to hear your suggestions on how it could be better. I mean, the existing one has functioned pretty well for the past 13 years for WoW specifically and for the past 20 years across an entire genre of games (other genres too, but you get my point)."

I mean, so have tier sets and yet you guys are still ditching those next expansion.Comment by LolusIt's been months, make it retroactive and it will actually be fixed.Comment by JaceDraccus"I'd be eager to hear your suggestions on how it could be better. I mean, the existing one has functioned pretty well for the past 13 years for WoW specifically and for the past 20 years across an entire genre of games (other genres too, but you get my point)."

I mean, so have tier sets and yet you guys are still ditching those next expansion.