Battle for Azeroth Beta - Holy Paladin Talent Feedback and Monk Renewing Mist

BFA Posted 2018/04/25 at 8:14 PM by perculia

Beacon of FaithAwakeningHoly PrismHoly Paladin Talents

Beacon of Faith Mark a second target as a Beacon, mimicking the effects of Beacon of Light. Your heals will now heal both of your Beacons, but at 20%30% reduced effectiveness.

NEW Awakening Light of Dawn has a 10%15% chance to grant you Avenging Wrath for 810 sec.
Tier 6 Talent

Holy Prism A beam of light turns the target into a Holy Prism.
An enemy target takes (300%75% of Spell power) Holy damage and radiates (200%50% of Spell power) healing to 5 nearby allies within 15 yards.
A friendly target is healed for (400%100% of Spell power) and radiates (225%45% of Spell power) Holy damage to 5 nearby enemies within 15 yards.

Beacon of Virtue Apply a Beacon of Light to your target and 3 injured allies within 30 yards for 8 sec.
Your heals will heal all of them for 40% of the amount healed.
Holy
Your Flash of Light and Holy Light on the targets will also refund 30%20% of their Mana cost

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Pelinel brought up a good point in the Alpha thread that Beacon of Faith will be much less powerful than we're used to in Legion because we'll be coming off of back-to-back tiers with very powerful increases to Beacon of Light from set bonuses, so I think the change from 20% to 30% reduction on Beacon of Faith might be enough. I'm still afraid that the usefulness of having a Beacon for each tank is too good. I would probably still use Beacon of Faith on some fights even if there was a 50% reduction.

I think the value of Divine Purpose relies more on whether it feels reasonable to not take Beacon of Faith rather than on how high the proc rate of Divine Purpose is. Comparing something like Beacon of Faith and Divine Purpose seems really difficult and we probably won't have a good grasp until we're well into BFA (kind of like Faith vs. Lightbringer in Legion).

And Beacon of Virtue is still great. Please don't touch it :)

I really don't like Awakening as a talent. I'm very hesitant to use any unreliable talents/trinkets/set bonuses. I've already mentioned this in the previous thread, but Divine Purpose's procs never felt like they were wasted whereas the Topless Tower procs felt too unreliable. Personally, I just really don't like this kind of design for a healer, and Maraad's Dying Breath would make a significantly more interesting talent instead.
I feel like Holy Prism is still lackluster. I think this talent has lost a lot of its power now that Light of Dawn has such a short cooldown (compared to LoD being ~20 seconds as a Holy Power spender when Holy Prism was more prominent in Cata/MoP). I think the design of damage plus healing can work really well with other more damage-focused talents, but it just doesn't feel as impactful as other choices on this row.
And Beacon of Virtue is still great. Please don't touch it :)

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1) Just to say it, sorry about the confusion where we said we were going fix a bug with mobile Soothing Mist and then wound up removing it this build. We made the latter decision a few days later. Briefly--with Soothing Mist changing so much between Legion and BFA, the impact of mobile Soothing would have gone from "a small filler heal can be cast while moving" to "all 5 of your core heals can now be cast while moving." The latter is something we avoid on healers.

2) Any details on ReM overwriting itself would be good. It should not be trying to jump unless there is an injured target that doesn't already have your Renewing Mist on them.
Thanks for all the followup on . In an upcoming beta build, we're likely going to try having automatically try to jump, if you cast a new one that would overwrite it.

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I'm sure someone will do (or already have done) the math but so far Holy Avenger seems way better then any of the other 2 talent offered and I'm not sure a simple +% increase will make it more competitive (although the passivity of JoL is prob good for those who don't want to track so many CDs)Comment by HexelyionI think what the top comment meant was that it's big news that a Blue addressed something...but in an ideal world that would be normal communication from Blizzard. More that Blizzard needs to step up communication with the community than wowhead doesn't have news to post.Comment by ReallyAbigarI think what the top comment meant was that it's big news that a Blue addressed something...but in an ideal world that would be normal communication from Blizzard. More that Blizzard needs to step up communication with the community than wowhead doesn't have news to post.Comment by RyneonI'm not speaking for all healers or players, but minimizing rng is great for clearing end-game content. It's essentially optimization.

With that being said, I quite dislike this awakening talent and I do not like having Divine Purpose on the same tier as BoF.

I find the current state of Hpal to be nice. I'm ok with tuning, but the talents shouldn't be shuffled. A lot of skepticism on my end... but I'll make it work if I have to.Comment by ticks187I came here to see comment on holy Paladins talents and all I got was communication rants.

Is the Avenging Crusader talent working out for you other hpallies