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评论来自
billymx
In the RARE case people get Brumbles, this does ~42 Nature damage everytime they are hit. This is still Nature damage so some mobs do Resist it however it can be fun in PvP.
Compared to a Pallies Ret Aura (which does 26-39 Holy damage) this is higher however the there is no Holy Resistance so it can work better or not.
评论来自
64664
Eventhough you increase your + Nature Damage through items, it doesn't seem to have effect on the Thorns. Which in fact is Nature Damage.
评论来自
84425
The second buff Druids learn, Thorns is quite effective in my opinion. Though it only does 3 damage at a time for rank 1, it adds up. Thorns supposedly covers the recipient in thorns, so that for each melee strike you recieve, the attacker will take a small amount of damage. As previously stated, rank 1 does 3 at a time. A lot of Druids, when attacking a town of the opposing team, like to cast thorns on their party members so if any "noobies" attack them, they'll die on their own.
评论来自
65503
just like pallys rebution aura but for only 10 mins
评论来自
Alikat
Agreed with Sempra. I'm one of the rare balance druids who got brambles, and find it an indispensable part of solo PvE play. Especially at lower levels when thorns is a major damage dealer, it remains a vital edge through out the game. Useful when engaged with more then one melee mob, and can be devastating against enemies that have a rapid attack, like rogues and cats. And in situations were your main form of cc (roots) is useless (indoors), you can't afford to pass this up.
I would like to see Blizzard give thorns (and bramble as well, I suppose) a more exponential upturn in damage output (and a longer duration), as it does become pretty useless in end-game play, were bosses and elites have hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of hit points. I don't even bother casting it on party members in dungeons anymore. An easy way to boost high-level usefulness would be to give it a portion of your +Nature Damage number. 100+ damage per hit, and now you're back in business.
The short of it, though, is that it's free damage.
评论来自
Rexia
The damage on this may be low at higher levels, but for a level 2 warlock I got a thorns buff from a friendly druid and was an unstoppable killing machine. I would sit there immolating about 5 wolves and just stand there and thorns + the DoT from immolate would kill them. I highly reccomend this for power grinding to 10 or whatever.
评论来自
33153
I've never played a druid so I don't know, but recently a druid refused to give me (the warrior tank) thorns because he said it would aggro him.
I"m 99% sure he was wrong, but can someone confirm this?
评论来自
23731
Anyone know if imp thorns stack with imp retribution aura and with Blessing of Sanctuary?
评论来自
Draconax
Thorns now also scales with spellpower. I`m unsure of the exact coefficient, but using rank 7 at lvl 71, my thorns are hitting for over 90 a hit with 1080 spellpower (which I believe gives it a 6-7% coefficient). With rank 8 thorns, and 3/3 Brambles, expect 250-300 dmg per hit at 80. Not too shabby for being completely passive damage. Should make for a bit more interesting fights against rogues.
评论来自
182106
Here's something you may not know about thorns but you should.
THORNS REDUCES EXPERIENCE!
The amount reduces is based on how much it does to the target based on its max hp.
Case study:
Lvl 24 shaman being boosted by a lvl 70 druid.
Druid kills lvl 18 Defias Strip Miner
Shaman gets 26 exp(+13 rested bonus)
Druid then applies thorns then hits a lvl 18 Defias Strip Miner with mallet doing around 40% dmg then waits for it to die from thorns.
Shaman gets 20 exp(+10 rested bonus)
Druid then stands next to lvl 18 Defias Strip Miner to aggro it and let it kill itself
Shaman gets no exp
In short:
Dont use thorns if you are boosting someone especially in bear form where it will be inflicting alot of dmg. If you are lvling dont use it unless you NEED the dps to kill the mobs. If you have no exp to worry about then feel free, or if you dont mind losing a little exp per mob to thorns.
评论来自
177035
Can anyone confirm if you are sapped by a rogue, Thorns can proc and take the rogue out of stealth?
评论来自
203775
*ahem*
My thorns tick for 100s .
Dunno how
评论来自
203775
@ lvl 70 with like 560 bonus damage mine tick for ~105. I have 3/3 brambles
评论来自
samarium
Interesting that it scales with spellpower, when (outside of pvp) the spec that would get the greatest use from it is Feral.
I think they should do with this what they did with Consecration - make it also scale with rising attack power. This would give druids some serious reactive threat and make AoE tanking more feasible than it is (which is admittedly better than it was pre-patch, but still pretty far off from what pallies and warriors can now do).
评论来自
203775
Any idea if The buff is based on personal spell power or the person its on.
Idk how to word it but lets say my thorns at 688 SP tick for ~120
If i cast it on some with 1K or 400 etc will it tick based on my spellpower or theirs?
Also if i use Idol of the unseen moon proc + vengeance of the illidari (~240 extra SP) then thorn myself wkill it hit based on that for the whole 60 mins?
EdiT: tested it ticks for about 135 for the duration of the buff then back to normal.
评论来自
samarium
I didn't forget that, there's just no reason it shouldn't also scale with AP - Consecration does, and that's something the pally can do for themselves.
I shouldn't have to drag a resto or balance druid with me to instances for the sake of getting better thorns, especially with the
Glyph of Thorns
telling me I'm supposed to use it on myself.
Reactive damage is a mainstay of tanks - retribution aura, damage shield, thorns. Thorns comes out on the bottom 'cause it does a non-scaling 25 damage that doesn't even get a threat bonus.
EDIT: And in any case, your argument isn't
valid
:
Currently, Thorns scales off the spellpower of the recipient. My untalented full feral gear cast thorns does 125 on the pally maintank. When I cast it on myself, it does only 25.
评论来自
203775
at 1.7k SP they start to tick for 320s with brambles
=]
评论来自
Deivijs
Was kicking some boomkin butt at the logging camp in Grizzly Hills. I was like wtf, when his thorns were hitting me for 300 damage each. That's just crazy. He didnt hit me once, but thorns alone were enough to takedown 40% of my health with (Feral kitty with 1.0 attack speed ><)
评论来自
mjblink
wow, now i know why this oomkin had to come up to attack me while doing dailies. using weps hasted to 1.67/1.21 i almost killed myself fighting him (414 each hit and was hit 23 times). was only hit with
Typhoon
once and then an
Insect Swarm
right before he died. i had 17k hp and lost 9500 of it to thorns and would have died a few seconds after the druid had i not used a potion (couldn't find food fast enough). kinda lame that a class can kill you and only have cast 2 spells at you.
评论来自
287376
Ok i just got my druid bear form and i know i generate rage with auto-attacks and i was wondering if thorns also generate rage
评论来自
70508
Did they change this to hit the target when you are meleeing? If so then most melee DPS should have this up...
评论来自
Serai
Thorns: This spell will now properly use the druid’s spell power to determine its scaling instead of the target’s spell power.
i never really knew this was a bug, but this helps threat generation a bit, in my old talent spec i always had one point left and put in improved thorns, making it return 200 dmg but as the tank had no sp it was only about 100
remember, every bit helps
评论来自
273450
There is a quite nice bug out there. You know when a high level player throws a buff on a low lvl the buff gets scaled into the players level? Well... thorns dont, it can help quite alot if you're passing by a lowbie who's killing stuff :)
评论来自
365058
I like to give tanks a nice buff with this:
3/3 Brambles > Put gear on with most spellpower > Raid Buffs > Proc 2 spellpower trinkets (1355 extra) > Buff tanks
Its nice to see off tanks with thorns in their top damage abilities.
If I can get both trinkets to proc then thorns hits for about 500-600.
评论来自
277982
I heard that this spell will no longer hit the attacker every time they attack anymore. So this means it is now getting an internal cooldown? How long is it?
评论来自
faia
Why is it so many druids that not use this in group/raids?
sure it's small but it help's tank's with aggro a bit and damage a tinybit
its a buff why not throw it on when its cheap?
评论来自
Samin
Just want to be totally clear on this..damage from thorns can not crit, right?
评论来自
336769
From now and on I (almost) hate Blizz.
YOU CAN NOT JUST STAND AND HEAL AND WAIT FOR THORNS TO KILL YOUR OPPONENT, YOU CAN'T LOOT THE MOB THEN! (Yes, i did that on 3 lvl 71's as a lvl 71 resto druid)
Dunno if you get xp, forgot to check that...
评论来自
530147
Now we need a Gift of the Thorns or something like that xD
评论来自
629499
Umm... now does 446 damage on hit !
Much much better now or what!
评论来自
94857
The spell is currently bugged. A level 80 balance Druid cast Thorns on me (Level 10 Troll Shaman). I engage in combat, and it hits enemy for 155 damage. Mob dies instantly, because it has only 120hp. I don't get loot. If I manage to land a hit on enemy before they hit me(=Thorns procs) then I get loot.
评论来自
642902
The cataclysm version of the spell is interesting.... But i still want it to deal damage back at spellcasters.
评论来自
AveryZan
Ghetto Retal for druids. I like it.
评论来自
428282
At the moment this causes about 2300 damage per strike at 80 on the PTR. Rogues can kill themselves in literally seconds.
评论来自
629499
I'm guessing it doesn't break bear form...
评论来自
nurdc0re
Are you the kind of person who likes keeping the tank focused? The following macro will put the Thorns buff on them without having to change targets. Personally, I am wondering how useful it will be to do so every cooldown during fights.
/cast Thorns
评论来自
629499
/cast Thorns
/cast Bearform
If you're having trouble keeping up rage, you could use this(when at ten rage or under after using a swipe). I think... verify please?
评论来自
476166
As of Cata, this now only lasts 20 seconds, is on a 45 second cooldown, and costs 36% base mana; but the base damage has been increased by 443. That's pretty massive, but there's no word on whether it knocks you out of form or not (which would make this far more useful). For Boomkin with extra mana, the tank will thank you kindly for casting this on him; same for cats. Bears, you can self-cast before a pull for a bunch of extra threat.
For trees, it's a give or take -- 36% base mana is huge, especially in Cata's environment where mana matters. While it'll give the tank more threat, it'll be taking away mana that could be spent keeping him alive. Use it wisely and conservatively; the tank should be able to handle threat on his own if you decide not to.
评论来自
loik
but the base damage has been increased by 443
It has been increased by 1400%. Yeah, 1400%.
评论来自
razisgosu
fully raid buffed i had about 5000 spellpower pre 4.0.1 which shouldn't change too much on live, this makes thorns hitting for about 2500 per swing?
if this is the case that's crazy extra threat for a tank at level 80 and i can only imagine the amount at level 85.
评论来自
AveryZan
Does anyone know if they plan on making/ fixing this ability useable in all forms? it seems strange that attack power increases the damage more then spell power (I did test this btw with both feral gear and spell power gear and the feral gear did about 400-500 more). Since it shifts you into caster form if you use it in bear/ cat, it is not that practical to use so I hope they change that or it is just a bug atm.
评论来自
435220
This buff saw a major overhaul in patch 4.0.1. It is now a major defensive cooldown, (even though it only has a 45 second cooldown,) and will pretty much destroy anyone in its path. At level 80, it has a base damage of 400, and if you have a competent amount of spellpower, it'll be hitting in the thousands.
评论来自
r4z0r84
Not sure why no one has said this on here, T1 3 set bonus (increase thorns duration by 50% plus 4 damage to Thorns) + Glyph of Thorns(reduces the cool down of thorns by 20 seconds) = 25 sec cooldown, Lasts 30 sec. = 100% up time, another thing i noticed when taking off the T1 the thorns buff is still active at full duration.
Making this into a macro for druid tanking for initial threat!
/use
/use
/use
/cast thorns
/use
/use
/use
/cast bear
start tanking rotation
To make it even simpler take advantage of the wow armor sets, one with normal gear+t1 then just your normal gear, not to sure if you can put those into macro's as i haven't tried.
评论来自
Spotlight
At level 5 it's doing 40 damage, twice as much as Wrath, say hello to low level AoE-Grinding.
评论来自
119130
this has got to be bugged or something. the tool tip on my level 6 druid says its supposed to only do 22 damage to attackers but its doing double the amount around 44 damage. also can confirm mobs with this spell have the bugged damage too like
Razormane Thornweaver
.
评论来自
468719
it is doing dmg + (0.4xSP) so it has increased dmg acording to ure SP...
评论来自
347840
This
is
was doing insane amounts of damage.
Seriously.
评论来自
Mkrah
You can still achieve "perma" thorns if you use 3pc tier 1 and the glyph.
评论来自
98852
I don't know if this is a bug of the latest patch (4.0.1) or something that has been known for some time. Just wanted to mention that mobs killed solely with the damage from Thorns are unable to be looted.
Kind of put a damper in leveling my new Druid alt. Went to kill
Lord Melenas
and my Thorns killed him while I was dealing with another mob. I wasn't able to loot his head.
评论来自
696808
I like what this can do now but i prefer the old spell but this is probably because im lazy lol.
评论来自
Ashtear
Guys, correct me if I'm wrong, but does it seem like mobs give less xp when they take damage from Thorns now?
评论来自
113593
When combined with the glyph of thorns, I've seen this accounting for around 20% of the tanks damage around lvl 77. So, yeah, massive, massive damage.
评论来自
125795
4.0.3a patch;
Thorns: beginner tooltip revised to no longer imply the spell could be kept up at all times. In addition, Thorns damage has been reduced by 60%.
A well needed nerf imho :) On aoe pulls with thorns on, our DK tank did top damage. :D
评论来自
styopa
Seems broken.
Checked this at 80.
With feral gear on (~T9/T10) 140 spellpower, the buff text said that thorns would hit for 1017.
Switching to healing gear (but leaving myself in feral spec), T9 gear, 2490 spellpower, the buff text says it hits for 577.
That can't be right? What am I misunderstanding?
评论来自
716452
Hmmm I was thinking that Thorns should be able to be casted in bear and also cat form too. So that we wouldn't have to shift to caster form and cast it when we are tanking a boss during a raid. Just a thought haha.
评论来自
nightsoilman
Can anyone confirm where this is supposed to direct threat generation? I thought (as the healer) that I could cast this on the tank to help him generate aggro, but every time I cast it, it seems to pull aggro to myself instead (even before casting any heals). Is this working as intended?
评论来自
Slunko
no comments on new thorns?
评论来自
Aenonar
at the moment:
Aggro lots of melee mobs, Cast all healing dot spells on you, add thorns... Wait for them to kill themselves... Profit.
评论来自
forrester
Im sad that blizz nered thorns so badly.
I mean, they are signly changed with the big CD and stuff, but shouldn't they boost it back now?
When the cataclysm was released while WotLK was still on and everybody had 30-40k health (im talk about dps) and thorns did about 3k damage per touch, rogues were dieing while they were still doing their stun-lock rotation or running around till thorns drop off!
Now in cata everybody has 100-115k health (still talking about dps) and thorns have been nerfed to 1,5>k so it makes them even crapyer then before! Druid tanks are passing a hard time with tanking and if they need to go out of bear form after every pack of mobs to re-cast a buff which give a lot less aggro than before!-Im ashemed... no surprise that drood tanks are slowly extinguishing from the game.:(
I hope that something is going to be done about this thing.
评论来自
629499
Want to make a macro to cast this on another player with one click. I've used /cast Thorns
but that doesn't work.
评论来自
Caldnar
I find it kind of funny how, without consent, any friendly druid can decide to
sprout thorns out of your skin.
Gives a whole new definition to buff.
评论来自
nathanmnm
I assume casting this breaks bear form?
评论来自
nathanmnm
Spoken like a true dps noob, grats on being so arrogant you think you understand tanking when you clearly play a dps char.
When a tank pulls they must position the mob and put up both defences abilities and dmg reduction abilities (e.g. bash/demorilizing roar) while these generate some agro they clearly do not generate max agro. Tanking is about control and staying alive, agro is just a part of this.
A dps that wants to pull agro could pop all CD's and go nuts right on the pull, I have seen this in instances when dps get into "omg my dps pawns urs" competitions - last time I saw it I was playing my healer and I kicked the offending dps... he had high dps, infact he won the "omg my dps is the best" competition - he was also a retard and he caused a wipe to prove a point, resulting in getting himself removed from the group.
Its quite possible for a DPS to pull agro from a good tank, either the tank is busy e.g. picking up adds or the the dps has popped some CD (or got "lucky" with a string of crits) or perhaps the dps is a noob and dosent know tac's (agro resets are a feature of some boss fights, also some mobs are taunt immune).
"OMG the tank has lost agro, he must be an undergeared noob" is about as retarded as "omg the tank has died, the healer must be an undergeared noob" - e.g. If a tank is undergeared the damage will be way up on what it should be (also the case if the tank stands in aoe or whatever), this makes the healer use fast inefficient spells which could well result in potential oom later in the fight, tank then dies at a time you wouldnt expect... Extreme example would be the poison link boss in ZG where a dps can kill the tank by not moving, course you could blame the tank for taking too much damage (being undergeared etc) or the healer for not healing when infact the dps was a tard and didnt move.
Use ur brain, pve is a team effort and one part of a fight affects another as does what one char does etc. Some fights even require dps to do more than just dps - e.g. interrupting specific abilities, moving to avoid damage etc etc I have been shouted at as a healer by a dps for letting him die when he stood in the fire, I kicked him too.
评论来自
Rattja
The tooltip for this one is currently wrong depending on your state. If you are in healing spec with agility gear, it will say something around 200-300 damage, same if you are in feral spec with healing gear.
It will choose the highest number, either spellpower or attackpower and they both seem to scale the same.
评论来自
Shockeru
In case you're wondering why "Vengeance (Passive)" seems to affect Thorns is because Thorns damage won't benefit from Attack Power from Vengeance
评论来自
864839
Will this deal damage to rogues who sap or any other people with nondamage CC abilaties? What will and will not cause thorns to deal damage.
评论来自
Ordayc
Since a lot of comments here contain outdated information, I made a few tests. My results are:
Thorns benefits from all talents and class-specific effects that increase Nature damage. That includes:
枭兽形态
,
,
日蚀
,
, and
's debuff effect (8%). I haven't tested
or
's buff effect (2%), but I strongly assume they work as well.
The damage is determined by the spell power present at casting, but for damage-increasing effects it is recalculated on the fly. Hence, gaining a spell-power buff after casting Thorns will not change its damage, whereas gaining effects like Owlkin Frenzy will change it.
A full kill with Thorns doesn't give credit for it, i.e. the player gets neither XP nor loot. However, as soon as the target is "tagged" by another spell (which doesn't even have to deal damage, e.g.
is enough), the kill counts properly and will always yield full experience. No experience will be reduced in proportion to the damage dealt by Thorns (which used to be the case).
The spell's tooltip and its actual damage can differ significantly. I tried a few setups with different spell power values and buffs, but I was not able to find any pattern behind it. For me, the only time these two didn't deviate was in Restoration spec without any damage-altering effects active at all; as soon as any of the above effects was active, the two values differed noticeably.
Its damage is considered a damage shield rather than a spell hit and as such has a few distinct properties: It cannot crit, trigger reactive effects (like those of many trinkets), or be reflected. It is affected by resistances and immunities normally. Its combat log entries belong to the respective category (
damage shield
). It can only be triggered by melee attacks, but not by ranged attacks or spells.
It does stack with other damage shields, e.g.
阿格曼奇之戒
's.
链接
WeakAuras 导出
荆棘术
荆棘术
36% 法力值 值
30 码范围
瞬发
45秒 冷却
需要 德鲁伊
使友方目标身上环绕着荆棘,敌人命中后会对其造成[(0 + (Spell power * .168)) * 1]点自然伤害。持续20 sec。
魔法增益
荆棘术
魔法
对攻击者造成0点自然伤害。
持续20秒
法术细节
持续时间
20秒
类型
自然
机制
n/a
驱散类型
魔法
GCD目录
普通
成本
36% 法力值 值
范围
30码
(中程)
施法时间
瞬发
冷却
45秒
GCD
1.5秒
效果
Apply Aura:Damage shield
PVP 倍率:1
标记
形变时无法使用
不需要形变
[Vehicle Immunity Category]
[Aura Points On Client]
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