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评论来自
1857
I've heard mixed rumors about this thing only haveing a set 3 charges or those charges renew. Can anyone confirm this?
评论来自
18069
I got it, but i want to know if it is rechargable? i used 1 of the 3. can an enchanter charge it?
评论来自
Xelopheris
This thing is INCREDIBLY powerful for it's level now. It's Use function was originally 50% increased speed. When the ratings system was put in place, everything was given the same rating for level 60, thus, this was given enough rating points for a level 60 haste of 50%. And it's a LOT more at level 30. I don't know the numbers off the top of my head, but my friend's pally was able to, with Seal of Crusader, get a 0.6 attack speed with this. A two handed mace, 0.6 AS. Yeah, it's powerful.
评论来自
17529
I used all 3 charges up and there is no repairing it other than durability. There is no cooldown counter listed, so I don't think it has a 24 hour recharge. Use the 3 charges wisely.
评论来自
Koko
This also happens to be the fastest 2 hander you can get. Real handy if you really need to level your 2 handed mace skill quickly.
(Feral druid with too much times in his hands)
评论来自
24754
After you use up the 3 charges for it, this mace is pretty useless. Since it's a two-hander, warriors would be better off dual-wielding, since the top-end damage isn't too spectacular because of the 2.0 speed.
It would be more viable for a paladin or druid to use it because it is very fast and obviously those classes can't dual-wield. You could use this weapon for maybe a few levels until you would find something far more superior.
If this weapon was slower it would be a much better in my opinion.
评论来自
27574
Since this hasn't been pointed out already, this weapon has more strength than anything else at level 29, which makes it awesome for a feral druid, since all druids care about on weapons are stats.
评论来自
bloodseek
i got this weapon at around lvl 30 with my feral druidl. i just hit lvl 40 and i'm still using this weapon.
评论来自
40551
If you engage the "Use" on this and then switch weapons, the haste buff is unfortunately lost. A guildmate of mine who has the weapon just tested it.
评论来自
44717
Way nice, i use them with my Feral. Drops cat attack speed to .46 or around there. Also the 16 str is alot better than almost anything until u get into the mid 40's something.
评论来自
bwirum
I use this on my 29 BG shammy and put rockbiter on it. Switch between this and the Corpsemaker -
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=6687
with flametongue.
They both rock, but in different ways and for different situations.
评论来自
43728
Use the charge and Seal of Crusader and you start hitting really, really, REALLY fast.
The charges cannot be renewed, and the only way to get the charges again is to farm for a new weapon.
评论来自
47900
lol i used my charges with seal of the crusader in a pvp and dealt about 3400 damage at arathi basin
评论来自
Cybersonix
Does this item still uses charges or can you use the haste as many times as you want? Cuz if you look on atlas loot then it deosn't say that it has 3 charges. And i have the latest version of atlas
How long is the cooldown on this?
评论来自
58088
You can easily farm this beauty as a feral druid.
I did it at lvl36 with no problems:
- sneak through the instance (map:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?screenshot=view&7.133#2603
)
- there are 2 pats near the boss, including an alarm bot (stealth detection!)
- HOT yourself and fight the boss at the edge where he is standing, but tank him with your back against a wall on the right/left side since he has a knockback attack
- the boss doesn't hit very hard and is NOT immune to stuns so you can bash and heal yourself up. My stats were around 1,7k health, 18% crit, 300 ap, 20% dodge and ~2250 armor. Didn't have to use frenzied regeneration.
dropped in the first kill :)
happy farming
评论来自
chunkhead
the 3 charges isnt QUITE so bad considering that it isnt unique.
at level 24 or something really low, have a 70 rogue or hunter friend farm this boss for a day or something and get a collection of 4 or 5. sounds like a hassle, but thats 12 more charges and a few levels right there. :D
or u can just get a corpsemaker >>
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=6687
评论来自
68272
also If you're solo farming this at a low lvl and you aggro the alarm bot reset the instance. His friends that killed you will still be following him.
评论来自
25585
I use this on my 29 twink druid.
评论来自
64929
I got this on my 29 shaman the speed is awsome if u use fish liver oil
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=1322
and u get flurry my speed was 0.3 if i remembee right and i pwned mobs very very fast
评论来自
Avalonia
This is THE druid weapon to get at 29. You will not replace this until Uldaman when you can get Ironshod Bludgeon (20 stam 8 str) for tanking and The Rockpounder (5 str 28 crit rating) for dps. It also makes the best twink item for a 29 druid imo as you put attack power on your weapon and stam on your gear...plus, this isnt that hard to get from gnomer because all you have to do is clear the back door hall way and one other room.
评论来自
76959
OMG amazingness for all classes that weild maces! :P
and sells for a lot for ppl who don't weild maces
评论来自
73789
The worst thing for feral druid is the item level. It`s impossible to put 35 agi on it and 25 agi regs are too expensive for now.
评论来自
68555
Was just thinking, cant a raiding dps warror/pally get a few of these, swap -> use -> swap normal dps weapon?
评论来自
Swordy
a MUST keep for those who can get it. any class that can use 2H maces should consider keeping this even to 70. heres why, most two handed maces are slow 3.4 speed or higher. this weapon will attack almost twice as fast, letting you raise your mace skill in nearly half the time. anyone whos tried to level a weapon skill on a warrior from 1-300 knows leveling weapon skill SUCKS.
so yeah, keep this in your bank until you finally craft that deep thunder or even pick up that "the oathkeeper" at 68. you wont be doing any damage without the weapon skill near max anyway, you might as well be attacking twice as fast.
评论来自
104602
Hmm...does the haste's spped increase stack with other attack speed increasing abilities? If so, could a low-health troll enhancement shaman or fury warrior could get a crit and activate flurry, then activate berserking and the weapon ability to be able to attack a couple times a second with this weapon? That seems a bit too good to work...
评论来自
35262
(
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=6043
)
Not a single mention of adding a Counter-Weight. I know it's only a 20 rating for haste, but it does increase a weapon's speed. If your talking about increasing a wep's spd then a BS is all you need.
Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about.
评论来自
113665
i like this for my twink warrior, the 2.00 is nice when my crusader procs ^.^ but using my abilities aint alot of fun :(-
having
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=6687
with 25 agility is a better choise and easyer to farm..
评论来自
skribs
For those who think it's great to have a fast 2Her, think again.
-Weapon procs (i.e. crusader, mongoose, windfury totem/weapon, Seal of Command) are based on a procs-per-minute system, meaning slower weapons are actually BETTER. It's not a straight 10% or 20% chance to hit, it's 6 or 8 procs per minute. So a 2.0 weapon actually has 50% the chance to proc per hit as a 4.0 weapon. Or you can look at it as in 1 minute, both weapons would proc the same number of times, but the 4.0 will do much more damage per proc.
-2H Fury warriors, once they hit level 30-32ish (which is well within where you could be using this weapon) are going to have imp slam, which benefits most from a SLOWER weapon. Instant attacks and/or attacks which reset the swing timer are best used on slower weapons.
However, at level 29, or for druids, the speed doesn't matter TOO much. Warriors would get much weaker overpowers, but that's about it, shamans dont have wind fury yet, and ofc speed doesn't matter for druids as feral trumps attack speed. Paladin twinks should avoid this like the plague though.
评论来自
96074
Do you lose the weapon after the 3 charges are used? Alos an addon I have says it gives +123% as a lvl 29 pally.
评论来自
112784
The greatest haste effect in the game..... If the effect is still in use after you un equip the weapon then its going to be a great wep for lvl 70 chars ;) let me check it first
评论来自
swbang86
hmm... I can see it now...
"Can a hunter equip this and get the haste bu -
oh yeah, 2h - mace...
oh well, i already rolled need and won the roll, too bad for you, feral druid and fury warrior in my group."
lol.
You know, with Titan's grip, you might see warriors farming alot of these, and then using them in their offhand with a really, really powerful main hand weapon.
Yeah. Pure Ownage. It isn't unique, so you can farm several of the same of these,
and they don't even have a cooldown (on the on use buff). So, assuming a bagfull of these things, a DPS warrior can keep a perpetual 500 haste buff on progression raids.
I wonder if that would offset the DPS lost for the offhand slot. Then again, fury warrior DPS is very AP-oriented, so... hmm who knows?
edit- what about mana regeneration?
judgement of wisdom is PPM or % based?
or, a balance druid can equip this and do some melee as a form of some seriously ghetto druid evocation, lol (is moonkin melee mana regen PPM or %?)
edit 2 - a warrior on a progression boss that needs to be killed NOW could throw this on and start executing away too, lol... super rage gen ftw.
评论来自
156946
For everyone considering grinding for this weapon to use the haste for higher leveled characters; keep in mind that 500 haste at level 70 or 80 is NOT 100%. at 70 (im not sure about the numbers) its roughly 35% or so, at level 80 even less. Equiping this weapon in the offhand for furywarriors would probably cause a loss in DPS rather than a increase.
评论来自
51372
Pre-BC. I once farmed about 5 of these before doing AV's (you all know, when you get really bored). Well, I think I used up 4 of them in one AV and since there weren't that many Feral AP items my DPS went up quite a lot, along with my HK's cause no caster could get any spell off on me. Think of how frusterating it would be to be a caster being wailed on by a .46 attack speed? /fun
评论来自
184246
At level 70, 500 haste rating equates to roughly a 32% decrease in spellcast time. As a druid, I always keep a Manual Crowd Pummeler with me to switch to as needed. I don't need weapon damage if I'm healing or casting, so the level and DPS of the MCP doesn't matter. I lose +spellpower from my "real" weapon, but I gain much more from the faster casting than I lose from the reduced spellpower. It stacks nicely with Improved Moonkin Form and Celestial Focus and really lets me crank out the Wrath or Starfire spam. On boss fights where I don't have to worry about threat (Shade of Aran, for instance), I usually start the fight with my MCP on and use the haste effect up, then switch back to my real weapon. The only frustrating part is having to go into Gnomeregan regularly to restock my supply. But it isn't tagged Unique, so I carry several with me and treat them like consumables. I imagine any other caster who can use a two-handed mace would receive similar benefit from this item.
评论来自
swbang86
well, let's look at some simple considerations:
the offhand weapon for a fury warrior lends damage through only 2 factors:
#1 - damage through whirlwind
#2 - innate DPS of the weapon
let's say your average warrior has a 3.5-speed, 130 DPS weapon as an offhand (TG warrior).
remember that offhand weapons do 50% normal damage, and 75% normal damage with 5/5 dual wield mastery.
3.5 * 130 = 455 damage on the "good" weapon
2.0 * 29 = 58 damage on the &*!@ty pummeler.
good WW dmg = 455 * 0.75 = 341.25
bad WW dmg = 58 * 0.75 = 43.5
considering the above is done every 10 seconds (ww CD),
good WW dps = 34.125
bad WW dps = 4.35
good white dmg (dps) = 130 * 0.75 = 97.5
bad white dmg (dps) = 29 * 0.75 = 21.75
GOOD white dps + WW dps = 131.625
BAD white dps + WW dps = 26.1
the difference here, assuming whirlwind every 10 seconds with no popping of the 500 haste buff, is
131.625 - 26.1 = 105.525 DPS.
i have not taken AP into consideration, because AP adds damage at the same rate with the same coefficient to both weapons (normalization FTW)
the 500 haste buff must therefore make up for a loss of 105.525 DPS. here we must remember that haste ONLY AFFECTS WHITE DAMAGE, but affects BOTH MH and OH weapons.
at lvl 70, 500 haste offers approximately 35% haste.
assuming you have a MH with 3.5 speed and 140 DPS (hey it's a cat's edge or something, hah)
3.5 / 1.35 = 2.6 speed
3.5 * 140 / 2.6 = 188.5 DPS (white damage on MH)
for the offhand,
2.0 / 1.35 = 1.5
2 * 29 / 1.5 = 38.7
38.7 * 0.75 = 29.1 DPS
so MH dps went from 140 to 188.5 (48.5 difference),
OH dps went from 21.8 to 29.1 (7.3 difference)
total difference is 55.8 DPS. WW dmg ofc is not affected.
so if a char has NO AP,
having a proper MH/OH yields 105.5 DPS (only counting the DPS that is pertinent to the haste difference,
and,
having a MCP instead of a proper OH yields additional 55.8 DPS.
difference of the difference?
105.5 - 55.8 = 49.7.
NOW, AP was not considered, but having a 500 haste buff to the AP component of the damage (white damage) may make up for the 49.7 loss in DPS. therefore i think having a perpetual 500 haste buff yields better results than having a proper 130 DPS OH.
sorry for the wall of text.
评论来自
262697
*stares*
I don't see a cooldown on it.
*thinks*
fury warrior with Titan's Grip. Duel wields this. Pops both only interrupted by GCD. Possible stack?
Makes you wonder does it not?
评论来自
swbang86
remember that damage that you deal from white damage (autoattacks) is mostly from AP, which has nothing to do with your weapon's damage or speed (the DPS contribution to autoattacks from AP is always a constant).
with 3000 attack power (easily achievable in northrend, though i'm only 72 and get 2500~ish with buffs and such), one would get a
3000 / 14 = 214.3 DPS contribution from just AP.
considering that most weapons have anywhere between 100 and 150 DPS, AP seems to contribute more to your autoattacks than something like your weapon dps (like 50~80% of your white damage, depending on how much raw AP you have/how good or bad your weapon DPS is/are).
if you dual wield these with titan's grip, i'd imagine nearly 90% of your white damage will be from AP contributions.
*quick edit* - my point is that if the 500 haste overrides the dps contribution from weapons, it may well be worth it, from an IDEAL point of view (assuming you have enough of these things to maintain perpetual 500 haste), to DW these using TG. oh, and especially if they stack.
评论来自
262697
You could pop these and just switch back to your other... non-level 20 weapons, you realize? You can swap weapons in combat.
评论来自
Jubjub
I used this today when i was getting boosted in stockades, and i have to say it is CRAZY. I procced it, along with
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=1322
and i was hitting at around .3 speed with a 2h mace! It was crazy.. This is a very powerful item for use at level 28. Take advantage before they nerf it.
评论来自
76374
On the topic of farming this item to level weapon skill, a Titan's Grip warrior who might have neglected their mace skill would have lots of fun with this as it is not unique, the only other "easily" attainable 2.0 speed mace being the one from Dalaran. Even though the damage would be higher, if you're leveling skill you shouldn't be worrying about damage as you're probably hitting an immune mob anyway.
Now, the question is would activating the haste from one activate the cooldown on the other*. Even if that is the case, having twice as many charges and swinging two of the fastest 2-hand maces in game would shoot their skill up very quick.
(*If it is common knowledge that it would activate the cooldown on another Pummeler then I apologize and my excuse will be I'm half-asleep in typing this and can't remember for the life of me about that mechanic at the moment.)
评论来自
298369
This no longer has 3 charges, but rather a 1h CD.
评论来自
175072
Anyone tried to get 0.1 speed with this thing? with like... enchants and stuff?
评论来自
badkarm4
Currently grants 130% haste at level 28!
评论来自
372267
This thing is so easy to get and so incredibly powerful, it's disgusting.
I just wish it looked cooler.
评论来自
Marrot
if only it could be used in the arena...
评论来自
387911
This has to be one of the best weapons for a leveling feral druid. I got this today on mine while tanking Gnomer, and used its effect on Thermaplugg. I got ~160% haste and i had rage flowing out of my ears. He went down very quickly.
评论来自
axellemaelstrom
the only reason they nerfed it is because it was abused in arena.
500 haste rating was 30% haste at 70 and that means a 7.5 sec ressurection, or 7 sec if you already have some haste ratings to begin with. A sneaky rez can catch a lot of people offguard.
评论来自
470128
Ok so I have a question...
Im in the middle of making a 29 twink druid (cat)
Im trying to decide either between
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=9449
or
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=5200
Now naturally I was going to put +24 agil on either one and test them out but instead
I thought hey lets see if I can get some opinions first right? So I seem to find there both really good!
only thing is that you lose 7 agil when you put on the Mace but you gain the +16 str.
For a 29 twink druid (cat) wouldn't you just wanna stack agil? I mean that would be sweet polearm
if you added +24 agil correct? but I also see how the Mace would benefit in ways.
Anyone mind helping me with this?
评论来自
470128
Sorry I would just like to correct that I mean +25 agil, not 24
评论来自
106006
This weapon has singlehandedly saved me repeatedly as a leveling feral druid. It isn't my primary, but I keep it on the toolbar, and if I can live the 30 seconds (if I don't equip before the fight) for the simple cd to hit, it can quickly make certain death a non-wipe. I don't usually keep it equipped, but it is always ready if on CD.
评论来自
452315
Hey guys, how is this for a ret pally? I originally was in there for the Thermalplugs left arm axe but dnt drop and i got this, what do you think?
oh, and recommend an enchant too thanks.
评论来自
Panner
If you want to activate this from a macro, it's "/use 16".
评论来自
Moodknight
if mages could use 2h maces.......
评论来自
475776
Hey guys, how is this for a ret pally? I originally was in there for the Thermalplugs left arm axe but dnt drop and i got this, what do you think?
Seal of Command - Holy Damage per minute:
Level 34
Manual Crowd Pummeler
: =
626
Level 34
Cobalt Crusher
: =
624
Level 34
Corpsemaker
: =
625
Level 37
Thermaplugg's Left Arm
: =
704
Since SoC procs on every attack now, weapon speed is
no longer a factor
in SoC holy damage per minute among 2h weapons of similar level. Just look at Corpsemaker, Cobalt Crusher, and the Manual Crowd Pummeler--CM is nearly twice as slow and hits twice as hard as the MCP, yet both produce the same amount of holy damage per minute. Even though all 4 of these weapons are equipable around level 28ish, Thermaplugg's Left Arm is a level 37 weapon while CM, CC, and MCP are only level 34. Due to the new SoC formula, TLA as a level 37 weapon logically should produce more holy damage per minute than level 34 weapons regardless of weapon speed.
评论来自
501599
the name fits it.
you pummel the crowd manually.
评论来自
snowprox
My feral druid is 53 atm and still wearing this mace ( with a +25 agility enchant on it).
But im looking for a upgrade if there is one.
Any ideas?
ps. I dont wanna spend gold in AH, im just looking for good instance dropped weapons.
评论来自
253114
With an iron counterweight i was able to get my lesser healing wave down to a .6 second cast :D
http://i39.tinypic.com/11azihk.jpg
and healing wave down to 1.3
http://i42.tinypic.com/xfoll5.jpg
评论来自
Darthdavo
Using this with seal of light as a paladin twink will restore a hell of a lot of hp.
评论来自
173482
On my lvl 49 twink fury warrior this made a great opener in pvp, i'd charge in activate the haste and watch as crusader procs after about 3-4 swings. After the affect is over I just swap over to my ravager with 20 strength chant and continue to rip people open. PS. Ravager bladestorm proc makes it so you cant move, so people like to run from you putting them in perfect range for an intercept or charge .
评论来自
173482
Just picked this up on my holy pally and tested it out, the proc drops flash of light down to a .6sec cast and holy light down to about a 1sec cast. pretty broken if you ask me, 30secs of .6sec FoL spams on your teammates in a BG. Unfortunately the CD is an hour, must be blizzards way of balancing the weapon
评论来自
417037
This provides 1300% haste at level 10.
I see the level requirement... but it'd be mind boggling.
评论来自
GoodSirReaper
I recall popping this on my warrior in a BG. Checked my stats and I found that I had a grand total of 1.2 seconds inbetween swings. As arms. I was a war machine for the best period ever.
评论来自
Negotiate
2014 Twink Update!
Name: Negotiate-Vek'nilash
Guild: The Chosen Few
24 Orc Warrior (Arms)
I hoard twink gear, I have a bank full of 19 and 24 twink items. I added this mace to my collection. (I have been twinking since Vanilla, own Beetle Clasps, Glacial Stone, Seraph's Strike, etc...)
At level 24, the 500 Haste brings my weapon speed down to .98 + I added Elemental Force enchant assuming the weapon speed with the enchant would produce the max amount of burst possible. The buff lasts 30 seconds and cannon be purged by shamans because the buff is invisible.
In 30 seconds I recorded 10,935 damage, 756 of it caused by Elemental Force. I literally ripped through healers, hunters, and none shield wearers like they were naked, the speed and burst of 24 Arms warrior with this weapon is INSANE. I am currently experimenting with enchants to figure out what would be the best:
Crusader
Dancing Steel
Elemental Force
Windsong
and/or +56 Haste = +18.256% Haste]
I am currently going to try to obtain a few more of this weapon and throw different enchants on it and test whether or not they share a cooldown. (Imagine having 10 of these in your bag to use whenever things were getting tough like flag returning)
I will post with new Results!
评论来自
1088137
Very wild item, used on a enhancement shammy with the Telluric Currents glyph. I constantly shot Lightning Bolt over and over and over, and got a good boost to melee speed. Although im a fool for not being a duel wielder... c'mon.
评论来自
GenoHacker
This gives 193 haste at Level 90 which was around 9.6% for a Fury Warrior, the tooltip however says 469 haste, so this item is still extremely powerful as of 6.0.3.
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