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评论来自
Kimba
Dropped for Nihilum from Teron Gorefiend
Warrior weapon! Note that the speed on this gun is 1.9 which is very fast, ideal for pulling. To my knowledge, it's the first gun that is directly aimed at warrior tanks. Interesting.
评论来自
36563
After Quiver bonus this gun comes down to a 1.65 attack speed, that means you have .15 seconds to thread in your Steadies. The slightest amount of lag would mess up the rotation, and even if you were in a lag free environment, you would still need to be hitting your macro (I wouldn't even considering trying to use this gun without a Cast Seqeunce macro) with almost perfect timing.
If a single haste effect procs your speed is going to be dropping under the GCD.
评论来自
17792
Shame this isn't a throwing weapon. Those are superior for pulling and don't require ammo taking up precious (especially for warriors) bag slots. Wish the itemizers at Blizzard played their own game.
评论来自
57691
I have this gun for just one use, i love the speed an dmg!
(+10% is -0.19sec, 5% is -0.095)
With Rapid Killing the speed is 1.14 sec (+40%)
With Rapid Killing and Heroism (70 Draenei Shammy) its 0.57 sec (+70%)
With Rapid Killing + Heroism + 15% Ammo Pouch its 0.285 sec!!!! (+85%)
And a haste potion is what? 38% speed so rounding that to 40% it would be -1.145 or something like that
评论来自
59522
Compare to
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=32756
(Gyro-Balanced Khorium Destroyer)
+4 Stam
+20 Dodge Rating
-1 Socket
Any Warrior in Black Temple will have at least +12 Stam socketed into their crafted gun, more than likely +15 Stam. Which brings the difference to:
-8 to 11 Stam
+20 Dodge Rating
Sidegrade at best?
评论来自
55370
Man you're not a tank !! Because if you was you would know that at this point in the game you would have more then enough avoidance, if you get yo much avoidance you wont get any rage and then you cant keep aggro and thats equal to a wipe !! You shouldn't have strong opinions about things you dont know
评论来自
91955
Is this gun to fast for farming for a hunter with a good auto/steady rotation?
Its seems like it would be good for pvp and farming as a hunter personally.
the +dodge would not be incredibly good for a tank imo.
评论来自
Afrozombie
It is a great tank weapon with a fast speed and good stamina and dodge rating. Hunters should look for something else this gun don't have good hunter atributes.
评论来自
87522
Any tank in the position (bt guild up to gorefiend), will be SET on stamina--
avoidance is much much much more useful in T6 raiding (than the 11 extra stamina assuming anyone would waste a 15stmgem in gyro-balanced.) This is simply because 1% dodge rating means more than 110 health. period. I've done much experimentation with avoidance and stam/armor on my warrior (i use this gun), and have concluded that once a tank has reached the bt level, avoidance is more useful. To put it in perspective- which saves the raid more often-- the tank surviving with <110hp, or the tank taking no damage at all by dodging it?
评论来自
126961
its ofc a nice tanking wep but i would love it for pvp as hunter.
this + alot of haste rating is imba
评论来自
flitschbirne
Ok. Enough talk about warriors. What about Beast Master Hunters??? I always thought that the faster the weapon the better for BM hunters....
评论来自
25211
This gun is a must have for tanks going into sunwell. Because of the sunwell radiance buff on all sunwell mobs tanks need to stack as much avoidance as possible. The gyro-balanced khorium destroyer may be great for stam but I'd gladly sacrifice the stam for as much dodge as in on this gun!
评论来自
142794
I wonder,
why have 0.5 speed shooting is so bad for hunters
. sorry but i play with paladin and I do not understand the speeds discusionns : P
评论来自
rubino7
if you have a high crit rating (like me 25%)is this a nice gun
评论来自
49773
Gun used by 'professionals'
评论来自
121059
Parry being the best is a yes and no situation. Parrying an attack IS better than dodging it, for the reasons listed above. However, stacking parry rating is more expensive than stacking dodge.
~24 parry rating = 1% Parry chance, at 70
~19 dodge rating = 1% Dodge chance at 70
Therefore, given equal amounts of Dodge or Parry rating, dodge wins out. I've long contended that the Epic gems you get out of heroics should be changed to reflect this (i.e.:
http://cuckhead.com/?item=30566
and
http://cuckhead.com/?item=30563
, dodge kinda wins out)
But again, parrying an attack is better than dodging it, hence the more expensive cost.
All of that aside, I have recently switched my Raid toon from Prot Warrior to Prot Pally, and desperately wish that Blizzard would give us something this flat out AWESOME to go in that relic slot...
Very helpful stuff there. It is true that the more you parry, the more you hit the mob and the more threat you generate, but it is also true that the mob will parry you more when you hit more often, resulting in you taking more damage.
I would also like to clarify that at this point i find myself never starved for threat, as i have an almost unlimited amount of rage whilst tanking these bosses.
And if for some reason you are really starved for rage at this point, then have a shaman give you flametongue or windfury, and pop out that 2.7 speed weapon (E.g: Dragonstrike) for higher devastate and heroic strike damage. Then again, i never had to do this due to how easy it is to keep aggro whilst the entire raid has salvation and other threat reducing talents/items, and whilst i have +2% threat enchant on gloves.
评论来自
170228
I am SV-Hunter and i tried to raid Sunwell with that Gun. With 4+/8 T6 and some little haste i reached a speed of 1.62. So i can rotate very well 1:1 with steady. Since we can build cheap shots, ammo isn't an issue :)
But the problem is: autoshot-hits are a little weak. Raidbuffed round about 500 so only the crits are usefull with 1200+. The steady-hits are normal, i haven't seen a big difference to the normally used Xbow of relentless strikes.
now you have to consider wether the raiddps-plus through expose weakness can top the more personal-dmg with a "normal" BM-spec.
评论来自
goblinego
Is this Shotgun,Pistol or Machine gun? just awesome!
评论来自
hypehuman
Looks like this is the fastest ranged weapon useable by hunters in the Burning Crusade expansion. A hunter probably wouldn't want this though.
评论来自
25987
it's interesting to note that, in woltk hunter dps spreadsheet v75, this gun was rated 3rd (among tbc gears) after thor'idal and golden bow, and above everything else.
the only possible reason i could think of, is that since autoshot is unlinked, and faster weapon benefits more from ammo dps than slower weapon, this tanking gun may well surprise some ppl...
评论来自
bonevader
So i've been using this in Northrend and slaughtering everything as a dwarf BM hunter. got it for the collection but it's pretty sweet now that gun speed isn't as important. With Mammoth cutter bullets and the +15 dmg scope shouldn't this be completely awesome? Can somebody check their spreadsheets for this?
Also, faster weapon spd equals a larger number of crits and more procs from items (provided there's no hidden cooldown, do such items even exist?), so doesn't that benefit? Have specs been built around fast weapon speed?
评论来自
Rawer
looks like a spiker from halo
评论来自
463376
Contrary to some of the misguided comments here, this is a frankly awful weapon for a hunter. The damage of your special shots is calculated from the weapon's damage, the slower weapon will have higher damage per shot and therefore much more damage from your specials.
Not that it really matters anymore since it's an old weapon! On a more relevant note, this would be pretty awesome for transmogrification in 4.3!
评论来自
wisedada
Very strange. With Mists the separate slot for ranged weapon was removed, and hunters became the only class wearing a bow / gun / crossbow for serious purposes.
Guns like
Rowans Rifle of Silver Bullets
got some love (original stats was +hit and avoidance, in form of dodge if i remember correctly, and there was strenght instead of agility), and became, with agility, +crit and +haste, a proper hunter weapon (even if a lot of hunters was looking at it as an upgrade, ranged dps being the 1st stat to look in a weapon).
Meanwhile, weapons like this or
Armor Plated Combat Shotgun
, from engineering, still have defensive stats, something somewhat strange if you consider the uselessness of those stats for a pure dps class like hunter. I mean, I see
zero
scenario where a +dodge can be useful for an hunter.
Probably more than a side note, since the only use of weapons like this is transmog on these days (even twink pvpers get better weapons in sunwell / illidan / legacy pvp weapons).
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