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评论来自
25970
I'd love to have this trinket on my Enhancement Shaman since a good portion of their DPS comes from white damage and Windfury damage (which is a proc). Rogues would also reap near maximum benefit.
As for the 100% proc chance, this simply means the chance is not percentage based. These types of items go by a certain formula created by Blizzard which is based on your weapon speed, effectively making the procs per minute (or whatever time interval they use) the same regardless of how fast your weapons are. So, like DM: Maelstrom and others, do not expect to get mad procs by simply using fast weapons.
评论来自
Asheera
Also, druids are only swinging one weapon at 1.00 speed in cat form, while rogues with SnD, and possibly Blade Flurry are swinging two weapons at 1.50 second speeds. Good for a druid, but probably better for a rogue in my opinion. Regardless, any melee damage class benefits from a haste rating increase, no matter how fast they attack.
评论来自
24514
Got this today. Based upon an hour spent in the Blasted Lands, it seems to be somewhere around 1.3 ppm.
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/637/dragonspineej3.jpg
评论来自
21579
I would recommend warriors, hunters, rogues and maybe enhancement shamans. It would benefit either 2 Handed fury build warriors or any DW class. Its a toss up for anyone who wants to roll and any melee class or hunters that has decent damage output should have the right to roll on it. Works well with a Dragonstrike/Dragonmaw/Drakefist Hammer (1 Handed Maces with 200 haste rate proc).
http://www.cuckhead.com/?spell=36262
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=28438
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=28437
评论来自
21355
For a very in-depth analysis of the trinket, look here:
http://elitistjerks.com/showthread.php?t=10333
评论来自
36686
with RF + Quicksots and procc i got my Attackspeed down to 1.16 "2.44 base 18slot quiver" on a 2.8 speed bow
this is BY far the best hunter trinket i have seen in game
the procrate is nuts and overwrites.
combined with quickshots i had both rebuff up to 5x both when i was testing @ dr boom
when u have both procs up u switch too Steady/Auto rotation so you and nuke arcane/multi whenever posible..
评论来自
39864
Abacus is better for Feral Cat Druids giving a solid 2.5 DPS and the haste rating in your rotation once every 2 minutes and control of the proc in long fights, where it will benefit a druid waiting for energy or an OOC proc.
评论来自
25329
a simle logic would be that, if you DW the haste would efect both weapons? so the increase in dps procentwise would be alot bigger for a rougue/Fwarr/ENCHshamy? id love this trinket for my DW shamy ^^
评论来自
21579
In that thread about 3/4 of the way down it is mentioned that only people who do mainly white damage attacks would benefit greater than another class who doesn't do a lot of abilities like mortal strike, sinister strike, execute, etc. The point is that this trinket should go to either people who have very slow weapons, slow dual wield weapons or just dual wielding classes overall. That is why warriors, hunters, shaman (enhancement), and rogues all want their hands on this trinket. It goes equally to any one of those classes with would benefit more of having the ability to dish out more white damage than yellow.
评论来自
15299
Haste effects benefit classes/specs with abilities that actually scale with haste the most. Which means that this is by far best for a hunter. Should go to warriors next, and the rest of melee dps after warriors. The simple logical reasoning for this is that haste affects around 80% of a hunter's damage output, 35-40% of a warrior (but warriors also would benefit from extra rage), and less than 30% of other melee.
评论来自
34876
Crazy trinket. Proccs all the time, totally worth it. Get it - now!
评论来自
38144
For a well-geared Combat rogue, this should benefit you in the range of about +40-50 DPS.
评论来自
46746
Looking for some answers here on this trinket:
How would u rate this compared to something like hourglass of the unraveller on DPS for a combat specd dagger rogue? Not sure if i should pick it up or what to do really.
评论来自
42833
If I was a warrior, I'd specc fury, get 2 Flurry Axes, 2 mongoose enchants, this trinket and the abacus of violent odds trinket, flurry, and a friendly shaman giving me a windfury totem and Bloodrage/Heroism.
I wonder what attack speed that'd result in. <3
评论来自
zagi
Has +40 passive attack power added on newest PTR patch.
评论来自
13727
Tested this trinket on the PTR as a mutilate rogue (1.8 and 1.6 speed daggers) (no slice n dice up) for some solo grinding of level 70 mobs.
It procced every second or third mob, sometimes it would proc 2 times in 1 fight, and Afaik there is a very little cooldown or none at all, as i've seen it refresh its self before the buff ran out.
评论来自
10076
I have it on my hunter, and for those saying 1.3-1.7 ppm, that's definitely not the case.
I'm seeing far more, I should download a proc mod and check.
Perhaps it's because it's a ppm trinket on a 2.7 speed weapon, while attacking at a .8ish speed.
评论来自
49143
Is there a cap for melee haste rating? If there isnt then melee going for all the proc gear would let you reach 100% which would just be ridiculous
评论来自
49143
ok there is:
100% haste rating actually gives 68% increase to attack speed, ie your attack speed is multiplied by 0.32
This would be 3 times or so the white damage compared to 0 haste
As to non haste rating abilities such flurry, it may be possible to drop lower than this, perhaps shamans can get to 16%
评论来自
59147
Tested it...
Has NO cooldown :-)
评论来自
Eliandor
Considering that the highest innate haste effect brings Sunfury Bow to 2.1 speed, a hunter will still get a huge benefit from the trinket. Although the slot was harder to justify when it didn't include 40 attack power, it would most definitely take the place of Hourglass or Bloodlust brooch easily. Especially in conjunction with something like Talon of Al'ar.
评论来自
14597
Here's some data from over an hour in combat raiding;
http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7940/procwatchhz9.jpg
About 1.5 PPM for me. (Sword spec Rogue)
评论来自
Sounder
Could we get a PPM report from a feral druid based on an hour+ of normal combat?
评论来自
rocki
A Fury warrior would get more out of this than a rogue honestly. Faster attacks = more rage = more specials = loads more DPS. Rogues only get some extra white DPS.
评论来自
Faradize
does improved aspect of hawk proc+trinket proc enough to gain the break point with bm macro hunter ?
normally steady-auto-steady-auto (+kc)
if u use rapid fire, u gain: steady-autoauto-steady etc.
评论来自
PainKiller
rogue white damage is always 50% +++ of ALL rogue dps
each time this procs your off hand hits more....you build more energy due to combat potency.....and increase ur dps like hell
评论来自
Kallikrates
With the following Items it is possible to get exactly 1,050 Haste Rating (which equates to precisely 100%). Note: The Items Linked are for a Warrior because I was researching for my own.
Permanent: 253 Haste Rating
On Proc: 537 Haste Rating
On Use: 260 Haste Rating
Total: 1,050 Haste Rating (100%)
Head: N/A
Neck: N/A
Shoulders:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=32570
Back:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=32665
Chest: N/A
Wrist:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=32568
Hand:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=32608
Waist:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=30915
Legs: N/A
Feet: N/A
Finger:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=32526
Finger:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=32526
Trinket:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=28830
Trinket:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=28288
Main Hand:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=28439
Off Hand:
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=28439
Ranged: N/A
1,050 Haste is achieved with both the Dragonspine Trophy and Dragonstrike proccing at the same time and the Abacus of Violent Odds being popped.
评论来自
57611
"1,050 Haste Rating (which equates to precisely 100%"
It is impossigle to hit 100% because everything its kinda like a percentage of another percentage. So it basically approaches 0 but the more you stack the less benefit you get from it.
In the table below. WS = Weapon Speed. Haste = Haste Rating. Haste% is the obviously what it is. IAS is like heroism, Flurry, slice and dice, which all stack multiplicitively with Haste Percent. Total mod is the total of Haste% and IAS. Buffed speed is how fast you are swinging and Increase is the amount of increase you get from it. Numbers should be real close
WS---Haste----Haste%----IAS----total mod----Buffed Speed----Incease in Speed
2.7----1050-----1.99904----1.25----2.498810----1.080514041----1.619485959
1.5----1050-----1.99904----1.25----2.498810----0.600285578----0.899714422
Now if you notice here if i DOUBLE the haste I get.
WS----Haste----Haste%----IAS----total mod----Buffed Speed----Incease in Speed
2.7-----2100-----2.9980------1.25---3.7476--------0.720456998----1.979543002
1.5-----2100-----2.9980------1.25---3.7476--------0.400253888----1.099746112
So as you can see going from 1k Haste rating to 2k Haste rating you will only increase yoru weaponspeed by .28 roughly. But you will never hit 0. The biggest increase is in like the first initial 750.
评论来自
Zakimonk
This is one of the best trinkets in the game for an enhancement shaman. At least 80% of a shaman's damage comes from white hits/Windfury, and with two 2.6 speed weapons, with this and flurry up attack speed will be a little bit slower than 1.5 per weapon. This is as fast as you can get while not losing Windfury procs, making this trinket utterly insane when heroism is not up.
If the shaman has other haste procs/items though, like Abacus or the haste meta, or if heroism is up, this trinket's effect will diminish due to weapon speeds being faster than 1.5 and missing Windfury procs due to the 3 second cooldown.
评论来自
76083
Actually it's the 1.41-1.5 weapon speed valley you want to avoid, the modeling for some reason does not work correctly during those speeds. Faster than that is optimal.
Additionally, more haste doesn't lower the windfury procc rate, it lowers the Hit:Procc ratio. Meaning you will get more swings in before the 3 second CD is up again. Which causes WF to take up a smaller % of your overall DPS. Many people look at this negatively because they are looking at it from the wrong angle.
Please note that my post only regards Shamans, and the haste mechanics work fine for all other classes (as far as I know). Due to the randomness of Windfury it is hard to make accurate observations, so do not go by my word 100%. I recommend enhancement shamans vistit the following website for Enh Shaman TheoryCraft, which I found very useful for my own uses:
http://elitistjerks.com/f31/t13297-enhance_shaman_collected_works_theorycraft_vol_i/
评论来自
76379
Best melee DPS trinket in the game and it just refuses to drop for us.
评论来自
galvin
Raids are a bad way to get true PPM. In a raid you may be in combat for 10min straight say on a boss fight. But lets take a'lar. You're melee on adds you're not actually melee'ing for 100% of the whole fight. So if you to use procwatch during a'lar your ppm would be lower than if you used it when farming.
so procwatch is going think you were actually doing melee for the whole fight say 10min. But actually you may have only meleed for 80 to 90% of that fight. So your ppm will be lower. My ppm on dragonspine is always lower in such raid fights. But when I go out farming its around 1.9ppm
评论来自
exhaze
This is apparently getting a nerf in 2.2 due to the stealth nerf of melee haste rating from 10.5 haste rating per 1% to 15.7 haste rating per 1%. This trinket will give 20.70% haste as compared to 30.95% haste before.
评论来自
Shinja
This trinket received two nerfs with patch 2.2.0:
_ the melee haste rating as stated above: when it procs, you recevied only 20% haste insted of 30% before.
_ an silent "uptime" nerf: before 2.2.0, the trinket uptime was near of 40% (I've tested it on Servant of Razelikh), when I tested it on 2.2.0, my uptime is now less than 25% (with 2500 attacks). Other people have also tested it ( with UptimeMeter at
http://wow.curse.fr/downloads/details/8103/download/37011/
) and found an uptime near of 20%.
The power of this trinket was to high for the iLevel...
评论来自
57691
If these things stacked,......
Shaman Heroic 40% speed, haste potion, master hammersmith hammers ( 212 chance haste), this, warrios flurry, leatherworker drums
So 65% speed from spells
Haste rating - 1017
Hammers are 2.40 so thats a fast hammer..
评论来自
42344
As a BM hunter, I just got this trinket and it's great. Now it's true, BM hunters have to really watch haste as we can actually have too much of it and start crushing our auto-shot. However, as it currently stands, the best weapon in the game for a BM hunter w/o DST is the Wolfslayer (
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=28581
) with its 2.7 weapon speed. Weapon speed is of far greater importance to BM than is weapon damage, a concept far too many hunters do not understand. There are no ranged weapons in T5/T6 that are better for a BM 1:1 shot rotation simply because none of the other weapons are faster than 2.9.
But with Dragonspine in hand, that changes. Now all of the later ranged weapons will open up for BM as this provides enough haste to make up for the slower bows and you can take advantage of their higher damage. Perhaps you can also make some of this up with the haste gear in ZA and T6 as well, but it will take several pieces of gear to do it. DST alone gives the haste needed to make 2.9-3.0 speed bows worth grabbing as BM. The proc rate alone makes it the best hunter trinket in the game w/o any other consideration. But the fact that it gives you far more choice in weapons down the line of progression makes it really invaluable.
评论来自
Roulk
This trinket doesn't have a % on melee attacks, it is estimated at a 1 ppm.
This means it's equally good for slow Duel Wielders like Enhancement shaman, and even for 2hand users! Because of the way PPM's work.
评论来自
111195
I was dueling a geared up rogue the other day, and this proc'd, what is seemed, 7 out of 10 times. It looked like someone was spamming flash heals on him but with a different special effect.
I dueled him on either 12/10/07 or 12/11/07, don't remember exactly.
评论来自
Lemma
This trinket should say "Classes: Rogue" but it's a design flaw.
评论来自
35268
Still the best feral druid kitty pew pew trinket out there.
评论来自
Triforceelf
Ok, here is why this is good for druid DPS. Yes, druids do not get most of their DPS from white attacks, we get them from our special attacks. However, any druid that is on gruuls has access to the reason we want this: the two piece tier four set bonus. This bonus means that all attacks have a chance to give you back energy. Haste then means more energy as you will swing faster and get more procs as bloodlust (the proc) does not appear to have a CD as I have gotten procs within seconds of each other.
评论来自
juzzle
incredible shaman trinket, 75% of shaman damage comes from white damage, yellow attacks such as windfury and stormstrike have 3-10 second cool downs
评论来自
Xystophoros
Saying 75% of shaman DPS comes from white damage is a pretty big exaggeration. In T5 and equivalent gear, I get about 50% from white damage, 30% from Windfury, 10% from Stormstrike and 10% from shocks. EJ has a similar breakdown for properly geared Shaman.
So while the gains from DST probably aren't as dramatic as you make them out to be, they're still very good.
评论来自
3clipse
This is one of the best-in-slot trinkets for BM hunters right now, since both our white damage and our yellow damage (Steady Shot) are affected by haste, thus making 20% faster attack speed 20% more damage.
Pretty fantastic. I know that if I can finally get this to drop for me, I'll be dropping all my points on it.
评论来自
37725
Our guild has been downing Gruul almost weekly for the past 4 months and this lovely trinket finally dropped for the first time last night. Perfect trinket for a PvE rogue such as myself and I must say the amount of procs I get from this thing is just phenomenal. Who has two thumbs and is a happy rogue? This guy.
评论来自
31138
After doing some testing it seems the internal cooldown has deffinatly been changed to 45 seconds. With it only being a 10 second proc I would almost lean twords the Shard of contempt as a better combat rogue trinket. After getting the 3 offpieces in sunwell (boots, belt, bracers) you would be over the exp cap which might make the DST viable again.
评论来自
24256
is there a caster equivalent of this? (epic quality)
disregarding the famous rare version
Quagmmiran's Eye
.
评论来自
33519
Is it legit for me to be QQing over the fact that a ret pally in our guild run won this over rogues, hunters, and fury warriors, or is this also a very good trinket for them too?
评论来自
171105
I got this trinket about months ago and I am very happy with it, this is the second time drop so far and the first DST drop from our guild run I passed it to our rogue.
The problem is that I am now using badge crossbow
http://www.cuckhead.com/?item=34892
which is 2.8s speed and with BM talent and quiver's speed increase now my actual weapon speed is 1.97s, also i am using the new 3:2 shot rotation macro but when the DST proces i notice the weapon speed increases to 1.6xs, I wonder do I need to use 1:1 shot rotation for higher DPS output when the DST proc happens?
评论来自
59175
LF group Gruuls PST DST RESERVED!
Just shutup already.
评论来自
Airman
worst part of not getting this when your guild is in t4/t5 content is that when you do decide to do grull it is a roll not dkp :). This tinket has still not dropped in my guild ... and I will probably have to fight off 2 rogues, 1 hunter for it
评论来自
stonecow
If you see this drop and have the chance to get it, don't think twice... There's a lot of geared out dps classes decked out in SWP and T6 gear that STILL want this.
评论来自
116066
A Fury warrior would get more out of this than a rogue honestly. Faster attacks = more rage = more specials = loads more DPS. Rogues only get some extra white DPS.
Wrong... a combat rogue DOES indeed get more white damage, and that's nice an all considering that half of our raid damage comes from white. However.... faster attack speed, means more hits per minute from your offhand, so any combat rogue would also be gaining more energy from combat potency procs. In addition, this would mean more hits from BOTH weapons, increasing the number of poison procs. All in all, this increases a combat rogues dps CONSIDERABLY.
Now... I don't know the mechanics behind playing a warrior (ive never played one) but I would say that either class would benefit about equally from this
评论来自
Roayal
This trinket with Blackened Naaru Silver is pretty good for any dps melee classes(best for rogue =))
评论来自
sadistic12345
ion said he didnt get this to drop for 14 months straight
评论来自
DreadfuryDK
Good news: this trinket's legacy as a ridiculously overpowered trinket for its time lives on. For anyone looking to find a good trinket for Mage Tower Timewalking shenanigans, this thing is actually still legitimately amazing even many, many, MANY item levels behind the likes of Ravaged Seed Pod and any trinkets that get scaled down to ilvl 50.
EDIT: As of 4/4/2023, this thing is STILL absolutely incredible in Mage Tower timewalking after the ilvl rescaling.
评论来自
Beace
After the recent ilvl scaling changes, this now drops as ilvl 97 with stats: 14 agi, 192 haste proc for 10 seconds. If you were using this in a timewalking gear set, you absolutely need to farm a new one.
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