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Subtlety Rogue PvP Guide - Shadowlands 9.2(已归档)
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Welcome to Wowhead's Subtlety Rogue guide for Arena PvP (Player vs Player), up to date for 9.2! This guide outlines the role of Subtlety Rogues in PvP, their strengths and weaknesses, strong compositions for Subtlety Rogues, and effective PvP strategies. It also includes advice on talent builds and PvP talent builds for Subtlety Rogues, as well as recommended gear, covenants/soulbinds, macros, and addons for PvP. This up-to-date guide aims to help you improve as a Subtlety Rogue in all aspects of arena PvP.
About the Author
Max
is a multiclasser that has mained Subtlety Rogue from Warlords of Draenor Season 3 and onward, and has played three classes above 3300 rating. He has eight Rank 1 titles among his Subtlety Rogue, Windwalker Monk, and Holy Paladin. His primary interest is playing 3v3 compositions where he obtained 3400 rating and 3550 MMR in Battle for Azeroth as well as 3300 rating in Shadowlands, making him one of the highest rated Rogues and multiclassers in North America.
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Overview 9.2
Talents & Racials 9.2
Rotations & Strategy 9.2
Gear 9.2
Covenants 9.2
Macros & Addons 9.2
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Since its inception, Subtlety has been a spec that requires good knowledge of the game, mechanical ability, and awareness of both teammates' and enemies' actions in order to succeed in Arena. Perhaps the most difficult part of playing Subtlety in PvP is the uncertainty and unpredictability that stems from its abilities being so versatile. For example,
消失
,
闪避
,
暗影斗篷
and
脚踢
can all be used offensively to secure large cooldowns or kills. Inversely,
暗影之舞
,
暗影步
,
烟雾弹
and
肾击
can all be used defensively to save teammates. Using abilities in different ways can have a large impact on the game, and making effective judgements quickly is something that only comes with practice. Decisions and judgement calls are always being made as a Subtlety Rogue. Relative to other specs, it is an advanced spec to play in PvP.
Subtlety has a playstyle that is both very proactive and reactive. While there are no set rotations for any spec in PvP, this is especially true for Subtlety Rogues. It is difficult to 'teach' somebody the spec due to its versatile nature, as well as the fact that external variables affect specifically how it's best to proceed in a situation by changing cooldown usage, rotation etc. Variables that affect cooldown usage and rotation include the player’s team composition, enemy’s team composition, and the individual differences in any given player’s or team’s game strategy or playstyle. Subtlety’s proactive and reactive playstyle is also dependent on other more nuanced variables, for instance teammates’ and enemies’ ability/cooldown usage, positioning of all players involved, enemy racials (
坚韧
/
生存意志
), and more.
One important thing to realize, and this is true of Subtlety more than most other specs, is that ‘the whole is greater than the sum of its parts’. The synergy that is developed when a coordinated Rogue and Mage play is not something that can be attributed to either player alone. Subtlety is one of the least effective specs in the game when the Rogue has no synergy with their team; it is highly reliant on playing a composition with good control, and communication with teammates is crucial, especially in 3v3. Having partners break a
闷棍
or
致盲
can result in losing the match, and so can using
袖剑风暴
to break a partner’s
变形术
. When played well, Subtlety is exceptionally consistent and rewarding. If looking for something simpler, other specs such as Assassination would be a better choice.
That being said, central parts of the Subtlety playstyle are based on rigid priorities and are ‘scripted’, but the ‘script’ is based on conditions that the player needs to be aware of. When one has put in enough time and has developed good awareness, the script becomes second nature to execute; proactively setting up opportunities becomes intuitive, reacting to enemy abilities becomes automatic, and synchronizing CC with teammates becomes fluid. Additionally, many addons can help tremendously with increasing a player’s awareness.
Compared to Subtlety in pre-Legion expansions, the spec has both a lower skill cap and lower skill floor. The lower skill cap is due to the removal of baseline abilities such as Gouge, Shiv and Preparation which gave the spec more tools for outplaying opponents. Pre-Legion Subtlety also had a one minute, non-rechargeable cooldown on
暗影之舞
, which made the spec much less forgiving than it currently is. Post-Legion, the better part of what makes a Rank 1/Gladiator Subtlety Rogue different from a Duelist Subtlety Rogue is their higher awareness and knowledge of small intricate details
but the biggest differences are, by far, how well the player synergises with their teammates.
When first starting to play as Subtlety in arena you will likely be overly opportunistic, but making mistakes and figuring out what works yourself is the fastest way to learn initially. The intuition required to make effective decisions is something that can only be developed through experience, communicating with your team, not taking it personally when matches go badly, having the humility to admit mistakes, thinking objectively about the effects of your actions and what you could have done differently, and indeed, thinking objectively about what your team could have done differently! Making progress as a team is not always comfortable, but communicating dispassionately can go a long way in helping yourself and your team improve.
Subtlety Rogue PvP Overview
The Subtlety spec is largely designed around its most iconic ability,
暗影之舞
, which in PvP is mainly used to 'stunlock' and burst a single target using
偷袭
,
暗影打击
, and
刺骨
. As
偷袭
has no cooldown, Subtlety is unrivaled in its prowess in stunning enemies; no other spec has the potential to stun enemies as freely as Subtlety Rogues can.
Subtlety Rogue Strengths in PvP
Crowd Control
Subtlety Rogues have one of the best control toolkits in the game. Among the tools a Subtlety Rogue has are abilities like
偷袭
and
肾击
which allow for multiple targets to be stunned. This allows the Rogue’s teammates to set up their damage and Crowd Control (CC) while enemies are unable to interfere. As previously mentioned, with
暗影之舞
it is possible for a Subtlety Rogue to stun much more often than Assassination or Outlaw Rogues are able to.
Subtlety Rogues also have
闷棍
and
致盲
which are breakable CC and can be used to instantly CC another player for 8 seconds. However,
闷棍
can only be used against enemies that are not in combat (see the 'PvP-Related General Knowledge' section on the Rotations and Strategies page for information on combat status). Communicating with teammates to ensure that
闷棍
or
致盲
do not break is vital for success as a Subtlety Rogue in Arena.
Introduced in Patch 9.1, Subtlety Rogues gained access to
卸除武装
, previously only available to the Outlaw specialization. This ability provides both crowd control and defensive capability. Used correctly, it can save your teammate or yourself from taking immense damage from a melee, or to delay someone from attacking.
Defensive Abilities
Although not exclusive to Subtlety, the spec has
猩红之瓶
,
疾跑
,
暗影步
,
消失
,
暗影斗篷
,
闪避
, and
飘忽不定
. When timed well and used effectively, these abilities can help a Rogue avoid damage and are some of the strongest defensive cooldowns in the game.
Burst
As of 9.1 foward, Subtlety has numerous damage modifiers that are either baseline for the spec or can be specialized into with talents/PvP talents to deal increased damage, as well as high-damaging covenant abilities, especially during
暗影之舞
. When these talents like
黑暗之影
or
夜行者
are selected, in combination with a covenant ability such as
申斥回响
or
狂热鞭笞
, Subtlety Rogues have incredibly high potential for on-demand burst damage.
Utility/Mobility
With
疾跑
, two charges of
暗影步
, the
暗影打击
teleport (when used from stealth),
消失
,
暗影斗篷
and
闪避
, Subtlety Rogues have very versatile utility spells that can be used to secure a kill or to run from enemies and recover. For example,
闪避
can be used to dodge an Arms Warrior's
缴械
and
暗影斗篷
can be used preemptively to avoid all magic-based CC for 5 seconds.
Subtlety Rogue Weaknesses in PvP
Dies In Stuns Or After Cooldowns, Long Cooldowns
While Subtlety does have strong defensive cooldowns they cannot be used when stunned. Even when defensive cooldowns are used, the Rogue is vulnerable for a long time afterward as both
暗影斗篷
and
闪避
have 2 minute cooldowns. Subtlety Rogues are extremely susceptible to being swapped to or even 'trained' and are heavily dependent on teammates for healing and peels when subjected to stuns and enemy offensive cooldowns.
Much Worse When Facing Orc/Human+Relentless Players
Subtlety Rogues are vastly less effective when trying to kill Orcs as well as Humans playing the Relentless PvP trinket. This is because Subtlety's main function in PvP is to 'stunlock' enemies but Orcs using
宇宙角斗士的勋章
, as well as Humans using
宇宙角斗士的无情垂饰
, have both a 'trinket' effect to remove stuns and have passive 20% stun duration reduction. Subtlety's global cooldown is 1 second so players are effectively forced to 'hold' globals/abilities when facing these players, drastically reducing burst damage and increasing reliance on burst damage from allies.
Subtlety Rogue in Shadowlands Patch 9.2
Talents and Racials in Shadowlands Patch 9.2
There have been almost no changes in both talents and racials for Subtlety Rogues going from Patch 9.1 to 9.2. The only noticeable difference is the small buff to
蜂芒毕露
:
Enemies disabled by your Cheap Shot/Dismantle/Kidney Shot (was Between the Eyes) take 10% increased damage from all sources for 6 seconds.
This is almost insignificant, but provides a nice damage buff to Dismantle, which it didn't have before.
Rotations and Strategy in Shadowlands Patch 9.2
Rotation and strategy has not changed at all going into 9.2. There is surprisingly little changing with Subtlety even with its current impressive state. Rotation remains the same for most all matchups, and strategy does as well.
One key thing to note is that there have been healing nerfs across the board for hybrids, alongside Rogue's Cloaked in Shadows
. This means that things like Warriors may be viable kill targets again.
Gear and Legendaries in Shadowlands Patch 9.2
There are a few interesting changes to Subtlety Rogue's gear and legendary system, alongside every other classes.
With the addition of a second legendary
(one being a covenant legendary and one being whatever the player wants), the potential for damage has massively increased.
On the other hand, there are brand new
Tier Sets
which can also boost damage quite significantly. The following set bonuses have been nerfed before the release of 9.2, but remain strong still:
Immortal Technique (2-piece bonus) - Shadowstrike has a 15% chance to grant Shadow Blades for 5 seconds (was 20%).
This nerf is quite small, as Subtletly Rogues do not rely heavily on Shadow Blades uptime or the damage bonus it brings.
Immortal Technique (4-piece bonus) - Your finishing moves have a 3% chance per combo point spent to cast Shadowstrike at up to 5 nearby targets (was 4%).
This set bonus is already quite weak on its own, with Subtlety Rogue's main focus being on single target damage, rather than any AoE. The nerf does not do much, if anything, to harm Subtlety Rogue's damage.
Covenants in Shadowlands Patch 9.2
There has been a nerf to the conduit Cloaked in Shadows:
Cloaked in Shadows (Soulbind Conduit) absorb value now reduced by 33% in PvP combat.
This nerf was somewhat expected, with Cloaked in Shadows receiving a much larger one in 9.1. It has made Subtlety Rogues one of the best classes at getting away with no penalty, and this nerf means that it is possible to break out of stealth to damage before the effect from the conduit ends.
The best to worst covenants remain the same; Kyrian > Venthyr > Night Fae > Necrolord.
Guide Overview
Talents & Racials
Talents are an important choice in PvP. This page will take you through each of the talents and PvP talents, giving advice on which ones will best suit your playstyle and which build is currently the strongest. Racials can also be important in PvP since many offer extra crowd control or escapes. See our Racials section on this page if you are starting a new character or considering a change!
Rotations & Strategy
While rotations aren't as clear-cut in PvP, it is essential to know how to maximise your output where possible to help turn the tide of a match. Strategy is another key element of PvP that can make or break a match. Our Rotations and Strategy page covers what you need to know about your important cooldowns, using your utility to your best advantage, and even common mistakes to avoid making.
Gear
The Gear and Legendaries page of this guide covers how gear works for PvP in Shadowlands, and how to obtain gear through PvP Vendors and The Great Vault. On this page you will also find the best stat priority and what each stat does for your specialization, the best pieces of gear including legendaries, as well as which enchants and gems you should use for your gear. It also covers how to make your all-important trinket choice for PvP.
Covenants
Covenants are a key feature of the Shadowlands expansion. Your choice of Covenant, Soulbind, and Conduits can have a large impact on your gameplay. Learn which are the strongest for your specialization here.
Macros & Addons
Macros and addons can assist with streamlining your gameplay. Macros can make your gameplay more fluid, and addons provide important information that can help you make decisions before, during, or after an arena match. Find out which macros and addons are best for your specialization here.
Subtlety is slightly weaker in 9.1.5 than it was in 9.0.5 due to the nerf to Mark of the Master Assassin. The order or covenants, from best to worst, is now Venthyr = Kyrian > Night Fae > Necrolord. The following are changes to Subtlety that were introduced in Patch 9.1.
Mark of the Master Assassin (Runecarving Power) duration has been reduced by 40% in PvP combat.
This is by far the biggest nerf to Subtlety coming into Patch 9.1.
Dismantle (PvP Talent) is now available to all specializations (was Outlaw only).
This is a very nice option to spec into vs melee teams but is usually outshined by offensive PvP talents like Shadowy Duel, Smoke Bomb and Thick as Thieves.
Cold Blood (PvP Talent) has been removed.
This has functionally been replaced by Thick as Thieves.
Thick as Thieves (PvP Talent) is now available to all specializations (was Outlaw only) and now increases the targets damage by 15% (was 10%), but no longer increases the Rogue's damage (was 10%).
This is a strong damage buff to a teammate which we now take instead of Cold Blood.
Maneuverability (PvP Talent) now removes all roots when activated in addition to its current effect.
This is a huge quality of life buff and will be a strong choice when facing Mages, Druids, Hunters and possibly even Warlocks.
Honor Among Thieves (PvP Talent) has been removed.
This PvP talent was never useful compared to other talents.
New PvP Talent: Distracting Mirage – Distract slows affected enemies by 30% and creates a Mirage that follows an enemy for 8 seconds. Reactivate Distract to teleport to your Mirage's location.
This only works against enemies who are out of combat, so it isn't usually useful.
Thief's Bargain (PvP Talent) has been redesigned – Shadow Blades, Vanish, and Feint have 33% reduced cooldowns, but you deal 10% less damage for 6 seconds after using each ability.
This is outshined by Shadowy Duel, Smoke Bomb, and Thick as Thieves.
Shadowy Duel (PvP Talent) duration reduced to 5 seconds (was 6 seconds).
This is a significant nerf, but remains a strong choice.
Silhouette (PvP Talent) cooldown reduction for Shadowstep increased to 67% (was 50%).
This is not impactful enough to take over Smoke Bomb, Shadowy Duel, or Thick as Thieves.
Smoke Bomb (PvP Talent) cooldown reduced to 2 minutes (was 3 minutes) for Subtlety Rogues only.
This is a decent buff to Smoke Bomb.
Feint duration increased to 6 seconds (was 5 seconds).
This is a small buff which doesn't have any implications in terms of changing gameplay, but it's nice to have.
Serrated Bone Spike (Necrolord) bleed now properly benefits from Critical Strike chance.
Necrolord is still extremely lackluster for Subtlety so this isn't impactful.
Fixed an issue that prevented Serrated Bone Spike (Necrolord Ability) from benefitting from Shadow Blades.
As previously mentioned, necrolord is still extremely lackluster for Subtlety so this isn't impactful.
The shield from Cloaked in Shadows (Conduit) is now 50% larger, lasts for 4 seconds (previously had no duration) and no longer decays while the Rogue is out of stealth.
This is a significant nerf as it means if you have a DoT effect on you while in stealth, you'll be taken out of stealth after 4 seconds.
Shiv now dispels Enrage effects regardless of Poison application. Casting Shiv with Numbing Poison decreases the casting and attack speed of the target by 25% for 5 seconds.
Enrage effects and Numbing Poison are not particularly impactful in PvP as it's generally mandatory to use Crippling Poison.
Shuriken Storm (Rank 2) now also increases Shuriken Storm's chance to critically strike by 15%.
Shuriken Storm has no significant use case in PvP other than for generating combo points.
Black Powder's damage per combo point increased by 33%.
Black Powder isn't used in PvP.
Black Powder (Rank 2) now causes targets with Find Weakness to suffer an additional 40% damage as Shadow (was 50%).
Black Powder isn't used in PvP.
Shadow Techniques now triggers more frequently.
This is a small and hardly noticeable buff to energy and combo point generation.
Backstab/Gloomblade damage increased by 20%.
Backstab and Gloomblade are significantly outshined by Shadowstrike so this isn't impactful.
For a detailed look at the changes to Subtlety Rogue, check out our Rogue Changes in Shadowlands Patch 9.2 Guide!
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评论
评论来自
r0x0rz
This is great! Thank you for this guide and the time you put in.
评论来自
AWSMpb
Very extensive and easy to understand guide.
I learned a lot and will continue to study this.
Thanks a lot!
Found the
/the-art-of-effective-keybinding Guide for Keybinds. THX
Question:
Why would you like to open with
死亡标记
+
肾击
instead of the
偷袭
opener?
I guess its because of the Energy Cost for both Spells.
肾击
is 15 Energy cheaper. An exception to this seems to be when specced into
暗算
评论来自
Reevz
U have done the great job))) Very cool guide, was interesting to read))) Thank you for the time and knowledge u put in this guide)))
评论来自
Hops7
Awesome guide! Super helpful, really appreciate all the work. I wonder what you think about sub rogue in shadowlands pvp so far in regards of covenant abilities, legendaries, covenants etc. since its so close?
评论来自
JDH0986
Are poisons anywhere in the guide and I'm just missing it?
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