tbh this idol sux in almost every aspect.

for a moonkin it's better to have the starfire, regardless of the little + crit% this adds.

for a bear, Brutality is better.

and for a resto, Emerald Queen is better, since Lifebloom is the most mana effecient heal druids have.

imo blizzard should've made 3 idols where you could choose one.

Комментарий от 19964

As of 2.3, it is still not adding healing for Tree of Life. (19-Nov-2007)

Комментарий от 108662

hmm, well, if it works like normal +healing. It won't give +20 to each tick with hots.
It will give 20 to the whole healing dot, which won't be much more per tick since it's only 20.
Or am I on the wrong path ? :P

Комментарий от 110534

Not bad, not bad

Комментарий от 114004

Nobody seems to have mentioned this, but if you have two druids of the same type (two LotP, two moonkin or two ToL) where one is wearing this idol and the other doesn't, the two auras stack, giving the group a total of +10% crit and 9 crit rating, etc.

Getting a full extra aura seems like it would be worth having one person not use their standard per-move idols, even if they knew how to make use of more than one.

Комментарий от BattleTide

Im a resto druid and i just got this Idol, its not the best for one certin heal but it does good for all my heals.... even if its only a little bit. At lv 70 your looking for any little step to be better at your class then other players even if its 2-5 heals per tick. I use to have the idol of the queen for lifebloom and yes it did "weaken" my life bloom a little but it raised every other HOT and regrowth, and Healing touch. so for thoes who just think stacking Lifebloom will keep the MT alive sure its stronger but for the whole party/raid you will be better off with the idol of the raven god. IMO i would use the Idol of the queen for arenas and idol of the raven god for instances and raids. (you will notice a diffrence in the long run, besides your a druid your suppose to look at the long run hence the use of all thoes HOT's)

Комментарий от Vesena

Just checked this on PTR. Buffed to 44 healing and 20 crit rating

Комментарий от Alar

I cannot comment on whether the added benefits of the crit rating are worth it, but I can definitely say that for any Tree druid in a MT group, this buff is incredible.

I already used to use this idol in the MT group back when it was just 20 extra healing to the aura. Getting more than double that added in will make my aura worth about 240 extra healing on the tanks (780 spirit fully raid buffed), which is huge!

Комментарий от pik4chu

tree of life bug is being fixed in patch 2.4, being tested on PTR.

Комментарий от Tearuos

now actually helps. It's aura is now 44 and i'm around 1350 bonus healing and when I lifebloom and take it off, theres about 4-5 tick difference.

Комментарий от 23311

Pretty much the only Idol a Feral Druid should be using in a raid once gear has scaled well into T6 quality. The DPS increase the extra crit provides outweighs the damage loss on Shred by forgoing Everbloom.

Комментарий от 152337

If I'm healing as a tree using this, and theres a feral druid with in my group also, will this buff their aura too? kinda reads like it would but not quite sure.

Комментарий от 124694

Healing perspective.

Looking at this idol from a healing perspective to evaluate it's worth in a raid, the obvious comparison point is the Idol of the Emerald Queen, the uncontested best druid healing item.

The power of the IotEQ is that it's bonus of 88 healing to Lifebloom is tripled by the stacking nature of lifebloom. The math that follows assumes the spell power coefficient of the Lifebloom HoT is 0.52, 0.62 talented, as reported http://www.wowwiki.com/Lifebloom

Healing Gained from IotEQ = 0.62*88 = 54.56
Healing per second gained from IotEQ = (0.62*88*3)/7 = 23.38

In order for the Idol of the Raven Goddess to pass this, it has to increase healing received per second by the druids heal target by 19.6. This is impossible if the druid is not in a group with targets that will be healed very frequently. Interesting to note, however, is that the druid does not actually have to be healing the main tank, just be placed in the main tanks group and stand 45 yards or fewer away from the main tank for the IotRG to shine.

Healing gained from IotRG = 44*C
where C is the coefficient of the healing spell cast
Healing per second gained from IotRG = 44*C*# of healing spells cast on the target per second.

If we assume every heal cast on the main tank has an abysmal coefficient of 0.43 (FoL, FH, LWH), this becomes
44*0.43*hsps (healing spells per second = 18.92*hsps
And in order for IotRG to surpass the IotEQ, this must be a greater Hps boost to the main tank.
18.92*hsps > 23.38

Go go gadget long division and
hsps > 1.24
there only needs to be 1.24 healing spells cast per second (or 1 healing spell landing every 0.8 seconds) on the main tank for IotRG to pass IotEQ. 2 Paladins casting FoL land 1.33 casts per second.

So if you're a druid in ToL form, in the Main tanks group, and there are 2 or more healers healing that tank for a majority of the fight, this idol is better.

Edit: The druid must stay in tree form for the IotRG to have any effect at all. High mobility fights seem to favor a different idol.

Edit 2: Altered LB coefficient to take Empowered Rejuvenation into account.

Edit 3: Some reasoning. The stacking HoT nature of Lifebloom ends up counting against it in the comparison against IotRG. Taking 7 seconds to dole out the extra healing lets spam heals on one target catch up all too easily.

Edit 4: The downside of IotRG? Costs 5000g, as others have noted. Go farm Shadow Labyrinth.

Комментарий от 124694

One more post to point out that, as a buff even for a tank group, Druid Tree of Life Aura isn't that great. Elitist Jerks math has proven several different ways that Devotion Aura is almost always superior. I believe the numbers were for a druid stacking 900 spirit, ToL still falls short of Improved Devotion Aura (+40% devotion aura armor).

The choice between having a Paladin in the tank group for Devotion Aura and a Druid for ToL is won by the Paladin every time. The exceptions are for bosses that inflict over 25% damage that is not reduced by armor (bleeds and magic damage). This is a very short list with Hydross the Unstable at the top. There was discussion of some armor set bonus that increased devotion aura armor and tipped the scales in the paladins favor even more, but I can't find what that buff is.

So for numbers sake, having a druid with this idol equipped is equivalent to adding 176 spirit to the Tree of Life Aura. Even if this makes it so your tank will be healed for more EXTRA healing that WON'T be lost to overhealing, the Devotion Aura prevents tank damage. This really can't be beat because landing a heal for 200 more healing won't save the tank if he's already dead. Preventing even 2% (average number for improved devotion aura) of a swings damage might save the tank from burst death.

So: Skip this idol if you aren't going to be in the tank group. Don't INSIST on being put in the tank group even if you have this idol. Improved Devotion, Shaman Grace of Air totem and sometimes even Warlock Imp Bloop Pact (+70 stam, +91 talented) can be superior buffs. If you have 1 tank main tank for a long encounter with trivial adds, by all means stack it 1)Tank, 2)Paly for Devo, 3)Shaman for GoA, 4) Warlock for Imp Buff, 5) Druid for ToL.

One thing in ToL's favor is that most warlocks seem to be running demonic sacrifice and demanding to be in the boomkin/elemental shamans group. Affliction for life, screw shadowmages.

/rant

Edit: I'm happy to say that the issue of tank group stacking is pretty much moot in 3.0. Also, the healing side of this idol appears to be bugged and not contributing anything.

Комментарий от 200615

I assumed this trinket would be changed somehow with the aura normalization in 3.0, but it appears it hasn't?

Комментарий от 171856

I've always been Moonkin (since I rolled druid in July) and recently switched to heals, post 3.0.3, so I have no previous Resto experience/habits, so I feel I have a bit of a different perspective on this idol for Resto on top of my balance experience.
As a Moonkin, I've always used this idol because of the benefits to raid vs. the Idol of the Unseen Moon, which still seems better to me than Idol of Steadfast Renewal because I rotate between spells for Eclipse, but still use Moonfire/Starfire rotation a bit more heavily than Insect Swarm/Wrath. I can't decide how I feel about Idol of the Shooting Star, because besides the difficulty in getting it, there's still the fact it's only buffing one spell in the rotation. I'm don't follow all this exact math very well, but 20 more crit. rating for all spells could do more for me depending on my rotation than sp. on one, not to mention the rest of the raid's benefit.
Then to Resto. My current healing style is almost wholly based on keeping Rejuvenations (with Glyph of Rejuvenation, and specced with Genesis and Rejuv. bonuses) up on the target, only stacking Lifeblooms and letting them bloom on tanks or if just little bit more is needed on a dps or healer, and Wild Growth for splash on the raid, Swiftmend (using Glyph of Swithmend, of course) and Nourish for when I actually need direct heals. Now considering I get 1600 a tick for Rejuv. alone (or more, with only 1700 bh right now), I can easily heal someone not taking a lot of direct damage with just that. So Idol of the Emerald Queen, which I do have, doesn't seem that great considering this scheme. 44 sp. to all heals under my aura (now the whole raid) seems a lot better than buffing one spell I don't use that much. So Idol of Lush Moss, the emblem idol, seems a bit weak in this case.
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is now that things are different, with Lifebloom's efficiency nerfed (or so I've heard; it definitely doesn't seem as great as everyone thinks it is), Rejuvenation seriously buffed, and Nourish as our new 'Flash of Light', is there really a better healing idol? Idol of Awakening might be nice if obtainable, but that reduces mana cost, not buff power of the heal, which seems a better use to me cause I don't really go oom in raids so far.
As far as I can see, this is still a better idol even for the pittance it gives you. It at least gives you something on all your spells. IMO, Blizz should make new idols in this fashion instead of minor buffs to part of our rotation. There's more than one way to do everything, and patch 3.0 opens up new rotations that use a lot more spell variety (as I said, my balance rotation is MF/SF>ecl.proc.>IS/Wr, repeat), so buffing all spells is the way to go. (This all assumes the idol works as stated in tooltip, of course).

Комментарий от Nulgar

3.0.8 will apparently change this idol to only affect your own crit/+heal (though it seems to not work on healing atm)
Source: Elitist Jerks
(Note: I'm not "Athanyel")

Комментарий от 228172

Changes with 3.x version made nearly everything similar. Healing increase based on spirit was very cool with proper utilization. They ripped it simply by giving you increased heal from spirit. bla bla bla...

Even if this trinket works, I think there's another question, is it increasing everyone's healing or not? I'm asking because on 25 mans, having someone this idol equipped would help raid overall I assume.

edit: just saw above post - this idol will be practically useless then

Комментарий от Zanyth0x42

As of 3.0.8 this gives 40 critical strike rating, healing remains unchanged

Комментарий от Celdhyrean

As of patch 3.0.8, this idol only provides personnal benefit instead of benefitting the whole raid.: your crit/... is increased when in form, instead of the effect of the aura being increased.
This nerf isn't too suprising as the benefits to the raid would always overshadow any personal benefit in 25-man raids, so no need for new druids to go out of their way to farm it anymore.

Комментарий от 160558

Tested this after the wording was updated.

In tree form;

Lifebloom Final Tick With Trinket: 2945
Lifebloom Final Tick Without Trinket: 2945

Swiftmend (Rejuv) With Trinket: 6808
Swiftmend (Rejuv) Without Trinket: 6808

Triple Stack Lifebloom Tick With Trinket: 1020
Triple Stack Lifebloom Tick Without Trinket: 1020

Broken.

Комментарий от 182686

According to WrathCalcs, the 40 crit rating is better for my moonkin than the 15 emblem Idol of Steadfast Renewal. Unfortunately, neither adds significant dps (around 20 and 10, respectively). The Idol of the Shooting Star made a significant impact (around 120 dps).

Комментарий от Caidos

Resto bonus still bugged in 3.0.9.

Комментарий от 97468

The idol has been changed for sure.It was the best idol for the whole raid pre wotlk(if you were dps).It gave bonus crit to the Leader of the pack.Now it's completely useless for everyone.And btw i think you can't get it anymore,the quest has been removed(you train swift flight form from the trainer for 2 gold or so).

Комментарий от 72128

This Idol works now btw.

2101 Healing without in tree / 2145 with in tree

Regrowth Normal 4607 Non-Crit, 6937 Crit, 1026 Per tick.
Regrowth Raven 4632 Non-Crit, 7019 Crit, 1038 Per tick.

Rejuvenation Normal 1843
Rejuvenation Raven 1871
Rejuvenation Idol of Pure Thought 1891

Lifebloom Normal 3149 Non-Crit, 4723 Crit, 371 tick
Lifebloom Raven 3190 Non-Crit, 4786 Crit, 378 Tick

Healing Touch Normal 9158 Non-Crit, 13708 Crit
Healing Touch Raven 9291 Non-Crit, 13834 Crit

Wild Growth First Tick Normal 741
Wild Growth First Tick Raven 748

Base Nourish no additional HoTs applied.
Nourish Normal 4208 Non-Crit, 6516 Crit
Nourish Raven 4384 Non-Crit, 6593 Crit

Swiftmend Normal 7371 Non-Crit, 11057 Crit
Swiftmend Raven 7486 Non-Crit, 11228 Crit.

Granted it does not perform as well as any specialty Idol, but considering that it helps all healing now and not just a single spell the combat effectiveness goes way up over any single spell idol.

Viva La Utility Idol!

Комментарий от BattleTide

are they gonna ever fix this idol for resto druids in the next upcoming patchs? If so this idol will blow any lv 80 idol out of the water. +40 to all healing hots and spells? woah. I LOVED this idol at 70. I miss it at 80 =*(

Комментарий от 382405

As a resto druid, I lose 20 power from each LBx3 tick with this idol. Thats it. Every other spell hits just a little bit harder. Not allot(as I already have 2400 +heals). Also, I have plenty of mana regen, so I don't need an idol to reduce mana cost.

I just found this idol in my bank (I collect them) and I have decided that I am going to switch to this idol. it seems to be the best in the game for a well geared raid healer.

Комментарий от Talishunda

I recently had an argument with a guild mate who informed me that this does not work past level 70. However, we did a few tests and it still does work. Without a doubt I could tell it increased my critical hit chance when I unequipped it and reequipped it (I'm Feral), but apparently my guild mate could not tell if it made her healing better. So we dueled and she healed herself with it and without it and she was able to determine that it still does work. I still use this item at level 80 even though it came from a level 70 quest line.

I just wanted to say this to clear up any questions about it because she said this is the place where she read that it would not work.

Not sure why this was rated down.. its all true information.

Комментарий от 208857

Hmmmm, on my druid, i still have yet to get my epic flight training (as an 80 its really embarissing to say) Instead of just buying the spell, i think ill do the quest line

1: Rep with the Cenarion Expidition, wanting to get exalted with them to get my title and hippogryph
2: A shot at getting the Raven Lord mount from Anzu
3: you GET over 100g rather than spending 18g to buy the spell
4: You get an amazing Idol
5: Questing is fun! Duh!

If you dont do the chain, you dont get the Idol and believe me, i WILL be using it!

Комментарий от Allakhazam

I just finished my epic flight form questline and received this relic. What I'm trying to figure out is if it's a better benifit to have this or Harold's Rejuvenating Broach (Increases healing done by Rejuvenation by up to 86.) I'm a raid tree, 61 resto who spends most of my time casting rejuv, lifebloom, and regrowth. This Idol only affects those in my party - I'm usually in the dps Karazhan party, not MT party, and we'll be starting 25 mans soon. So is it worth losing the 86 bonus healing to rejuv which affects everyone I heal, and gaining an increase of my party's healing aura by 20 for any healing they receive by myself or any other healers?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

It now says that it raises "your healing done while in tree form"

It used to say "raises healing of your tree of life aura"... Assuming tree of life aura effected the entire raids heals, I would wear this during 25mans (even at lvl80)

When did they change this....?

Комментарий от Thottbot

This nice little Idol is Acquired from the Epic Druid questline For Swift Flight form, You need 300 Riding skill (the one that costs 5000g) to even GET the quests.

Комментарий от Thottbot

coo. for purpose of a raid this would be the choice. I just wanted to know which for arena the faster i can burst some 1 down the better. people keep running around so shred isnt always a option but mangle malm and bite are i was thinking that this would be the better choice for arena as well seeing that getting in position for shred isnt easy

Комментарий от Thottbot

This idol's also neat in that if you choose to respec, it'll likely help you with whatever your new chosen spec is, unless you don't go deep enough for a new form (I.E. the resto/balance build that skips tree of life)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Hmm... I'm a Tree of Life spec druid and I was wondering if this is worth losing Idol of the Emerald Queen... The idol in SCC is hardly useful for me and the one in Kara is not useful basicaly ever, so its this or Emerald Queen, 88 heal on Lifebloom is amazing since its basicaly the spell I most use to heal, it adds like 7 extra healing a tick fora total of 7 ticks being 49 extra heal and 49 times each stack its more than 200heal it does than if I were to use anything else, although this idol caught my eye 20 extra heal taken by everyone in my group in raids would be useful so the other healers can have easyier time but then... if its 20 heal each Lifebloom stack it would be 60 extra rather than 200 so, I woud apreciate very muchifanyone would give me lil info or maybe personal testing results. =]

Комментарий от Thottbot

45,11

Комментарий от Thottbot

Just got this tonight for my moonkin, and I’m really disappointed. + 9 is really lame. I think any pve group would rather have +55 SF, and any pvp scenario would be better off with the wrath or MF idols. Let’s make it 9% blizz and throw some love to this fat owl.

Комментарий от Thottbot

2% would be cool, but still OP... thats like 40 spell crit rating, but if i had a moonkin, i'd want them in my party for healing (holy pally). +7% would be SWEEEEEET

Комментарий от Thottbot

I assume if you'd even consider this, you're doing so for raiding and not pvp, but at a certain point spell crit chance is just monotonous. Spell hit, spell damage become more important once you hit a healthy amount of crit. ....which is what the basic moonkin aura (110.5 crit rating/5% crit chance) helps achieve. for you and any other crit-happy class the aura is enough,
and an additional 0.4% crit won't help anyone who is gearing themselves appropriately.

Don't use this idol to help your team. Help your team by bringing some dps to the table. (From the PoV of a battle turkey)

Комментарий от Thottbot

Imo, the most useful thing this idol could give is the 2g50s90c you get when you vendor it. There are way better idols available for all three types of druids.
Idol of Terror for Ferals, Idol of the Emerald Queen or Vengeful Gladiator's Idol of Tenacity for Resto, and Idol of the Unseen Moon for Balance druids. Best part is, all the idols I just mentioned are surprisingly easy to obtain.
Since this idol increases all of the 41-point druid talents, it has the most applications, but you can only use 1/3 of the effectiveness at one time. For that reason, I figure it's better to use the specialized idols instead, maximizing the effect of the current role you're filling.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Auras that have different values tend to stack, for example, different ferocious inspiration ranks, or tree of life auras.

I'm seeing a change in moonkin aura's crit chance in this idol...

Комментарий от Thottbot

omg people read the bennifits more critt in feral or more critt in moonkin or more heal in tree

Комментарий от Thottbot

they're more than doubling this trinket's bonuses in the next patch... people who vendored it will be sorry :(

that said, I would still only use it if I'm in a group with a lot of melee as feral or a lot of magic as moonkin. probably not worth it unless at least like 3+ people benefit.

Комментарий от Saliano

For druid perspective :

If you're restoration : you're still stuck with Idol from Shadow Lab
But if you're feral in restroration druid's group you should use this idol for benefits of your raid.

Комментарий от Jaesoni2019

Just compared this to Idol of the Emerald Queen and on Lifebloom alone this seems to heal 100 more for each stack that expires and about the same as Idol of the Emerald Queen in its WotLK form. Add in that this idol effects all other spells and that means it is better than Idol of the Emerald Queen imho... I think what makes this idol powerful though is that is the only idol that affects ALL heals that are cast and as we switch more to using all of our spells in WotLK that makes this a very powerful idol.

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