Just a simple question..... With the tooltip saying increase MAXIMUM HP by 15% does that mean youll just get a bigger pool of HP thus needing a heal straight away or will it bump you up with 15% free health too?

Just wondering if its any use to buy one of these, chuck it down mid fight and not make any difference unless someone AOE heals straight after. just like when priest buffs fortitude in start of BG's i end up spamming chain heal on everyone as they dont go full health.

Thanks, just curious before i buy one 2.5k rep to go now

Комментарий от 102520

As stated, this can not be used in arena (which is the original reason I bought it for a few months ago) but it wasn't a complete waste in hindsight. The way to get the most out item is to make a macro to this effect

/use master healthstone
/use horde (or alliance) battle standard
/use battlemaster's <insert name of trinket>
/use talisman of the horde
/use super healing potion

This a killer ~5800 to ~7000+ hp instant "heal" macro that works wonders if the sh*t is about to hit the fan in a BG

You can rotate the order of the HS or battle standard dependant on what you want to burn first. In my case, since I try to save whatever HS I can get my hands on, I put the battle standard first in my macro.

Or if you are trying to PVP and conserve money/honor

/use horde (or alliance) battle standard
/use master healthstone
/use battlemaster's <insert name of trinket>

Works as a great ~3300+ instant free "heal" that should at least buy you time to run away or hopefully finish off your target

PS: I say "heal" because the battlemaster buff is only 15 seconds long and the flag can be killed if targeted.

Комментарий от 33153

Did they remove the old version? I just went back on my old pvp rogue where i know i had this back from when it was from ranks and i can't seem to find it in my bank.

Комментарий от 129192

I don't see a reason why this item shouldn't be of a rare quality, just like the AV one.

Комментарий от Knellox

Note this also shares its cooldown with duplicates of itself, meaning if u buy another you have to wait the 10 minute cooldown from use of the first regardless. I found that one out the hard way, the 15k honor of raping bg's at level 29 way. =D

Комментарий от 330050

Allmighty Horde Flag!
*Stands and Salute*

Комментарий от Ihmemies

Does aoe kill the flag or must it be manually targeted like a Shaman's totem etc.?

Комментарий от 44002

Is this single use or can you use it over and over once the cooldown has expired?

Комментарий от 192088

Kinda worthless now that any class can kill it with just one hit.

Комментарий от 491667

I know that it isn't technically a battleground, but when during a battle, is it usable within Wintergrasp?

Edit: Just tried it, and it doesn't. If you're looking to use it in a Wintergrasp game, it's a no go fellow Horde. Oh well. We do not need inferior flags hanging from a branch to make us mightier! We are the Horde! (/roleplay)

Комментарий от 228781

2250 Honor points since patch 4.0.1 which is effectively the cost of 2 Wrathful (Season 8) pieces of the set or a Wrathful weapon.

It's previous cost of 18k Honor was way cheaper than now. Good for you if you already have it ^^

Patch 4.0.3 - Item now costs 500 honor, lasts for about or less than a minute (still unclear) and has a 2 minutes cooldown!

Комментарий от Stigmata

Currently down to 500 honor - a more reasonable level.

Комментарий от 303818

I do not understand the tooltip for this item. Also, it seems to be extremely rarely used across all the BG brackets I've ever seen on ten all class toons.

Is the health of the flag always 1500 health? Even at max level (85 at the moment)?

If so, are there no other battle standard items? Is this the reason why the standard is so incredibly rarely used, despite its recently lowered cost?

Комментарий от 593314

I bought this recently assuming it would apply to everyone in the battleground. Unfortunately (as the tooltip implies), it only gives the 15% extra health to players in your particular 5-man party, not the entire raid.

Комментарий от 445579

Not usable in Tol Barad, sadly.

Комментарий от Bozanimal

Suggested places to drop your Battle Standard

The Battle Standard is almost never expected, and is hugely beneficial while defending nodes and flag carriers. Most players will have no idea what it is and will ignore it like a Shaman Totem, despite the fact that destroying it instantly removes 15% health from the opposing players in range (which is usually equivalent to a TON of damage). Still, it is destroyed if an opponent sneezes, so placing it out of the way is still a good idea.

Alterac Valley and Isle of Conquest - In general, nobody targets the Battle Standard in the large-scale PvP scenarios. There is usually so much going on that the Standard is typically overlooked. Just drop it any time you have a large contingent of players clashing against the opposition.

Arathi Basin, Battle for Gilneas, and Eye of the Storm - Each node has a building nearby that you can use to place the Standard out of LoS (Line of Sight). Best used in defense of a node as enemy players are approaching. For example, you see incoming enemies in Battle for Gilneas? Run inside the closest building, drop the Standard, and run back out to meet the opposition.

Strand of the Ancients - Fairly useless on offense, but on defense you can drop the standard behind and to the side of a wall, preferably to the far side of the stairs leading to the turrets. This keeps them out of LoS while being within range of players on both sides of the wall, so it's useful both before and after a wall is breached. Best saved for the final wall, Gate of the Yellow Moon.

Twin Peaks - This is most useful for flag defense in your flag room while defense is attempting to down the opposing flag carrier. The flag room in Twin Peaks is quite open, making the second floor overlooking your flag room the best available location.

Warsong Gulch - This is most useful for flag defense in your flag room while defense is attempting to down the opposing flag carrier. Drop it either in the small room on the main floor or in the crevices behind your flag.

Комментарий от smiley001

Horde Battle Standard.... Potentially the most powerful (re)usable inventory item during BG's that nobody ever remembers to use :P

Комментарий от Thottbot

for those who don't know what a "standard" is, its a nother word for "banner" which simply means a big flag of some sorts.

Комментарий от Thottbot

It is reuseable. The cooldown is 15mins.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Can you place a Horde and a Frostwolf standard next to each other and give your party both benefits? (+15% health and +10% damage) Do they have shared or separate cooldowns? What if two different party members each place one of the banners?

Also, is this just an item you use from your pack, or do you have to equip it in a trinket slot (that's a BIG trinket!) to use it?

Комментарий от Thottbot

I think these battle standard needs some work done to them, there was a time when u could drop the AV standard and the battle standard at the same time but now it seem they share a cool of 15mins..

I know this isnt really a problem if your not in AV becuz you can only use the battle standard but still I think for the amount of work it takes to reach rank 9 I'd like to be able to use them both at the same times when I am in AV..

And I see no reason at all why they should share a cooldown with mana crystals and healthstones.. often in long fights mana crystals are life savers.

Комментарий от Thottbot

if i cast this and i have full hp. will i get 1500 more instantly or will it stay at same.. else it would also work like a pot.

Комментарий от Thottbot

Are there any level requirements or rank you need to use this? cause i dont want to waste honor points on this if i dont need to

Комментарий от Thottbot

can i use this at lvl 19? in WSG

Комментарий от Thottbot

sry mate, u fail at maths with that standard u get 115% hp, if u got 1k u'll go 1150 so if u have 2k u'll go 2300, and then u'll have 300 more hp.

Комментарий от Thottbot

can anyone confirm that it's usable in arenas ?

propably not or ...

Комментарий от Thottbot

that battle standard is for not for arena

Комментарий от Thottbot

This standard is so epic in the 10-19 bracket, an uber-twink placed it and it was like war scenes from Saving Private Ryan, or... 300

Комментарий от Thottbot

This is how much honor I have today. LV 19
Quickie. I will bust some heads for the horde.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This Battle Standard is useful for everyone that knows the value of the groups ability to survive.

To use this item properly, make sure you are in a situation where you may or may not claim victory on a decisive match, such as defending a flag room, or assaulting an enemy grave yard.

Use the item ONLY WHEN you have friendly team mates around, as it will not effect raid/bg members not on your team. It is most effective when you have your party nearby.

Use the mini-map to coordinate when your team members are close to your important battle, and drop it at that time.

The 10 minute cool down timer is pretty good. Short enough to be used with other very useful 10min cool down skills such as blood-lust/heroisim.

I reccomend using all your party buff skills at the same time you drop this item.

This item cannot be used in the Arena, so if you are planning on that, dont waste the honor points unless you find your BGs fights an even match up at objectives.

Dont forget that the 45 yard range is approximately 25% longer than the maximum casting range, so it is rather long. Just be sure to remind your group mates to fight in the objective areas, and to not stray off to kill solo targets, so that they do not die to attrition or abandon your defense, leaving it open to capture.

I hope that helped.

Комментарий от Thottbot

This used to be a rank only item, had to be rank 10 to get into the lil room where rank items were available. The rank limit being rank 10 i think, which means in the ol' games, rank was only attainable at lvl 45+ i think ... due to the honor limits. ir could only get rank 3 at 29 .. no higher ... Now thugh, it has no rank limit, therefore no bracket limit, therefore 10-19's can use it, If they have aquired the new limit, being Honor points.

Enjoy :) For you twinks with 2500 hp in the 20-29 bracket, a few hundred extra hitpoints can sway the odd fight, but really, the cost in honor points... just pop a potion Lol :)

xXx

Комментарий от Thottbot

49 twink right here. i am just wondering. if i get 2 of these do they share the same CD? and if they dont. can i stack both of them?

Комментарий от Thottbot

i need to know where i can get the Horde Battle Standard..

Комментарий от Allakhazam

What's the cooldown on this?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

'Trivializing content'

Answer your question?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Hmmm for some reason when i was in WSG 10-19....the alliance had one of these while they camped our GY....lame :/ (don't say its not possible cause they did it, only seen it once tho)

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Does these babies stack?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

Does this standard work also in Arena PvP?

Комментарий от Allakhazam

it has a cooldown.

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