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Comentado por 163531

This is a referance to WC3 DOTA, a very popular custom map. Moghul Kahn FTW!

Comentado por 112924

kahn is a cake my friend , omniknight is the skill :P

Comentado por BabyToe

I LOVE DOTA!

Comentado por 222832

SotA > DotA ;P

Comentado por 59181

How is this achievable without simply outnumbering the opposing side? I can't see it happening when it's 15v15...

Comentado por odok

The only conceivable way I can see this happening is if you set an amazing time in the first round (3 min or so) and then just swarm the beach on defense, focus firing the hell out of the demolishers.

Comentado por 10743

We did this today and it was actually easier than it sounds. It requires a premade or a group with a decent amount of coordination.

Split up into groups of two and group up by the demolishers by the docks on both sides. Ignore the cannons, everyone needs to be on the beach.
Destroy the demolishers and all alliance/horde coming off the boats asap.
Once you take out the first wave, just stay by the docks and let them come to you from the graveyard. Since they need the docks for seaforium and demolishers, as long as you hold the docks they won't be able to damage the walls

Some tips when attacking and defending docks:

It helps to have shamans on both sides for bloodlust when destroying demolishers and taking care of the first wave of alliance/horde.
When defending, bring the demolishers down to about 10% so that they can be easily destroyed if someone hops in them. They have a quick respawn time, so destroying them right away isn't helpful.
They tend to all rush one side when they res from graveyard, so have a group ready to move from side to side to prevent the other side from being overrun.

We pulled it off first try with this strategy. Now Not Even a Scratch on the otherhand, is one we're still working on :)

Comentado por Serai

the horde always defends first is a issue thats being worked on

it seems there were problems with randomness wich had to be resolved

Comentado por Ruhler

i'd say the best bet is go for a 3am run and hope the sides are so stacked it's not even fair :)

Comentado por nibbs

NOT ENOUGH PLAYERS!

Was well on my way to getting this when all the alliance left the battleground!

Seems so unfair that a hard acihevement like this can get took away as sour children all just leave the battleground.

Comentado por Greed

Defended today for 10 minutes without losing any walls, did it with a half-premade and none of us got the achievement. Is there anyone else who had this achievement bugged? Maybe something that came after 3.1 patch has made horde unable to get this at all?

Comentado por 4226

At this point it's old news, but on April 14/15, 2009, (with the 3.1 patch), Strand of the Ancients was bugged, such that no walls spawned. The Relic does not spawn until the final door is destroyed. After a round of defending, since no walls were destroyed, everyone received this achievement. So if you see people (like me) with it dated April 14/15, don't ask them what group makeup they did, or if they went as an organized raid, they just got lucky with a bug.

Comentado por 298547

i've (along with my pug alliance team of course) accomplished this twice - each time capping the relic within at least 4 min... and then successfully defended the walls along the beach without gaining the achievement. The walls were indeed damaged, as in the tops had crumbled off... but the walls had not been destroyed. Is this the reason I am not gaining the achievement? Does anyone know? Bugged?

Comentado por 233726

Currently the best way to get this achievement is to purposly let the OPPOSING team defend without loosing any wall. It's very easy as horde, just get 3 other peoples with you.

Do not ruin other people battleground if you think you can win though, but if Alliance capture the relic under 3minutes, just have 4 peoples grab the tank and just do nothing (you should warn other player what you are trying to do). You can drop your tanks far underwater to prevent them from beeing killed / picked up by other Horde member.

This isn't 100% reliable but after doing this 4/5 times , we had 2/3 random people out of 15 recieving the achievement each time.

Comentado por mikethered

That's close to accurate but here's the REAL scoop currently-

Yes, this achievement is bugged, however there is a workaround.

If you are Horde, there are TWO requirements for this achievement; the regular one and a HIDDEN one. Here they are...

1.) Meet the regular requirements of "Defense of the Ancients". (Be in a match without losing a wall during your defense turn)

2.) Be in a match where the opposing team meets the requirements of "Defense of the Ancients". (Alliance has a match where they defend without losing a wall during their defense turn)

- These matches do not have to be in the same Strand of the Ancients match. So, let's say you form a pre-made to farm the achievement and do it successfully, yet you've never been in a match where the Alliance has successfully done "Defense of the Ancients". You will not get the achievement. However, once you ARE in a match where they complete it, you will get the achievement, even if it's a different Strand of the Ancients match.

So, like others have said, you won't need a full pre-made to get the "losing" requirement. Simply get a good enough amount of people together to insure that your team will lose properly.

Of course, we all hope and pray that this bug is fixed in 3.2, but for right now... This is the way to do it.

Comentado por 427707

I can verify that Lileith and Mikethered above are correct. I've defended the beach without losing a wall MANY times. Like 10 times at least! Never got the achievement.

After reading this, however, I got this achievement yesterday on my mage by letting the ALLIANCE defend the beach!

In response to your questions, gasparr, I don't believe the order matters, and nor does the time frame. As long as you're in a match where you defend the beach at some point in your life AND at some point in your life, the alliance defend the beach, you'll get it.

Thanks, everyone!

Comentado por 273113

It seems this has been fixed in patch 3.2, just got this today after entering a BG with 15 Horde vs 8 Alliance. The 8 brave alliance did manage to get green gate to very low HP (1-2 seaforium till destruction) but luckily they didn't, and we achieved this :)

Comentado por Enthorn

This achievement is easily doable just by pugs in a full 15v15 match. You'll need to be on offense first, however, and you'll need to capture the relic in about 3 minutes. That's the time then that Alliance have to capture it. Holding the beach for 3 minutes is a lot easier than holding it for 10 minutes. In 3 minutes time, you'll basically be able to kill 2 sets of vehicles. The first set of vehicles should be relatively easy to destroy because you can start attacking a few seconds before Alliance get in them. The second set you'll have to just gang up on. Keep an eye on both sides of the beach though ;-)

I came very close to achieving this achievement in that very fashion, but unfortunately, no one stayed on the right side of the beach and with 30 seconds left in the game, blue wall, undefended, went down. With a little more focus on defense on blue side, we would have had it.

Comentado por azakil

Got it today for my undead rogue,

How i got it :

We were attacking first,and we all rushed on 1 wall.Then we proceeded to ram through the next wall all up to relic wall. We won the round in 1:30 mins.
Which was actually the time that allies had to attack next round. Thus i and some other people proceeded to remind of others of this achievement and that ALL you need to do is destroy tanks and camp their port.

Tanks take about 10-15 sec to respawn,so you need to be on guard ALL times. My team also killed all allies and made them respawn at their GY,locking them from the port,thus locking them from any chance of getting into the tanks.

So,it IS possible to get it with randoms,however those randoms have to be players that WANT to get this achievement and not just mindlessly zerg allies.Luck can also be a factor ,unfortunately for some achievements you just have to be lucky :(

Something to note is that in order to get this achievement easily is that you team needs to attack first and has to do it ASAP. It is possible to get it while defending for 10 mins,however it is too long and people will be more prone to mistakes such as not paying attention or zerging.

Comentado por Esploratore

Got it yesterday on my 85 warrior (I know, the class doesn't matter, but still possible at 85).

While in the past we took the relic even in like 1 min 20 and failed the achievement, this time we were slower, like 3 minutes.

Anyway, people were particularly focusing in doing the achievement and actually damaged vehicles which were not moving till 50-30k, so that if an ally had entered them we could've 1-2 shotted the vehicle.

In the last seconds, as someone didn't listen and destroyed the 2 badly damaged vehicles at the blue gate, and they respawned, we really risked to lose the blue gate, as most of us were at green, but managed to slow the demo which could reach the gate with hurl boulder, and we made it just a few seconds before the portal would've been destroyed.

Things necessary for this achievement:

1) You need to attack first, to shorten the time you'll have to defend as much as possible.

2) You will need to have a very strong vs a very weak group, unless there's not such an unbalancement it will be just impossible to resist from the destruction of a wall, even just for 2 mins.

3) If you can, damaging very badly but not destroying the just spawned demos would be good, as they respawn in 15 seconds, and not destroying them just leaves the opposite team with useless vehicles that, if they step inside, get one-shotted.

Good luck, got this around as 35th victory, all done at level 85, but one.

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