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Comment by 164918

Replaces the Abominations normally located in the Undercity, they throw insults to Undead Players.

Comment by LadyTasera

These guys leave a bad taste in my mouth. I don't appreciate being threatened and insulted in my own city.

Comment by Hannya

Considering how many of the Kor'kron have flocked to Garrosh's banner these days, I'll bet anything their presence is foreshadowing young Hellscream's grab for power in Cataclysm. Post loyal soldiers in the capitals to "keep the peace" when the coup d'etat goes down.

No, seriously, we're a faction of sneaky people. Can't someone assassinate that guy already? Preferably before he gets us all killed.

Comment by 231645

Confirmed as of 3.3, kor'kron overseers are a permanent fixture in Undercity.

Comment by LadyTasera

Another thing I've noticed is that the overseers in the Apothecary area seem to be more polite than the others stationed around the city. (Unless you happen to ask them where the warlock trainer is, heehee.)

Comment by akatnel

I talked to them with my troll hunter, and they told her:

"Surprised to see an orc here? Don't be.

The Forsaken need watching. If we'd been paying closer attention from the start, maybe the Wrath Gate wouldn't have happened."

or

"Lok'tar. Don't try anything suspicious around here. If these undead are going to be part of the Horde, they're going to mind themselves under our watch."

or

"Hope you're not looking for those abominations. The apothecaries can't be trusted, and that means none of their little constructs patrolling the halls. We're here to keep things safe."

Then I went back with my undead warlock, and they said only:

"With the bulk of the Undercity's forces deployed to Vengeance Landing in Northrend, the Warchief has sent us to reinforce the city's defenses."

I approached and talked to several of them in different areas of the city with my undead, and I haven't seen any insults yet. Nor did they deviate from their little story.

I did see the harsh response when asking about the warlock trainers, as LadyTasera pointed out, but I've observed that from guards in other cities, such as Stormwind, as well. They were nicer when my troll hunter asked about the warlock trainer, though, saying:

"You'll find the warlocks in the Magic Quarter's main building, but I better not hear of any trouble that comes of this."

Comment by 268398

As an undead player, when talking to them to ask for directions they say, "I bet you rotters thought you were pretty clever at the Wrath Gate, didn't you? Playtime's over. We're here to make sure you don't try anything."

Wow. I feel hated.

Comment by Torkan91

First time I talked to one of the guards and asked for the Warlock trainer I got this response:

"You have guts asking me about warlocks. Go to the Magic Quarter's outer ring and get out of my sight."

Like "Oooh, yeah... Thanks. Have a good day you too, Mr. Orc! He he...."

Comment by blabbo

Sometimes when you ask for the Skinning trainer they'll say what the old Abominations used to say.

They seem a bit less imposing when they refer to themselves in third person =D

Comment by Random0204

I feel like calling Thrall a fascist pig. Or something to that affect. What about Undead rights?

Comment by Darkerer

this generally unfair to the forsaken faction, while all the other main factions get their own unique type of guard, the undead are stuck with orgrimmar guards that insult them...., talk about judging people by the actions of a couple

Comment by Skreeran

Sylvanas trusted a Dreadlord. Sylvanas created a plague. Sylvanas was not on the ball, to the point that hundreds of the Horde and Alliance's best soldiers were killed in a betrayal.

We trusted the undead to handle their own city. You guys dropped the ball. So now we're having to come in and do things ourselves. Maybe someday we'll trust you to keep tabs on your own faction again, but not right now.

Comment by Sebreth

I'm a bit ticked off at how the Horde treats the Forsaken. Sylvanas has pledged her undying (pun intended) allegiance to the Horde and Thrall thinks she cannot be trusted because of Varimathras, who almost killed Sylvanas? If Sylvanas was a part of the coup and Wrathgate, she would've lead her Forsaken against Orgrimmar, rather than flee there for backup. Normally, I'm pro-Thrall, but now... I just don't know anymore. I suppose he's still better than the warmonger Garrosh, though.

Comment by 293127

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Comment by 278724

If anyone has read the actual novels behind it. The Orcs were royally screwed from the beginning when one shaman was manipulated by a Demon Lord. Durotan and his clan fought against it and were exiled for it, something that Thrall learned.

Without giving too much spoilers, it makes sense that Thrall would keep an Eye out on the Forsaken, after all.. Sylvanas may have had good intentions, she still made deals with demons and that alone is something worth not trusting :P

Don't see any demons in Org.. do ya? hm?

Comment by Scolex

As a Undead Warlock Alchemist I feel socially endangered.

Comment by Gohtohmaon

I think a more important question about these guards is: Where all the old abomination guards go? The Kor'kron said they cannot trust the apothecarys' creations, did they just deactivate (KILL!) them and throw them in a pit or something?

edit: grammar and stuff

Comment by 514575

I think this is a sound protocol for the Horde. Loyal undead have nothing to fear from fellow Horde soldiers and if they do it's a sure bet they're up to something devious. They are not forcing the forsaken to act in any way besides NOT undermine the authority of Sylvannis. I fear though for those of you that do not like this new positioning it's only going to get worse for you, In Cat The Dark Lady is being sent farther south to lead the fight against the worgen fronted southern Alliance encroachment ,and the orcish horde is setting up a dock system that will be directly releated to the (now Orc occupied) Undercity. Needless to say the Horde is getting a firm hold on Lordearon. I don't think they have to be so rude to the Undead though after all, if there were any untrustworthy undead they rose up and eventually were killed durung the rise of Putress.

Comment by 516481

Ok, this is adding up to cataclysm cus if you read up on what has happened from what they released at Blizcon Garrosh KILLS Cairne Bloodhoof saying he is a "traitor" this might mean he has insured his full power over ALL of the horde

The New (New) Horde
Thrall will hand over the leadership of the Horde to Garrosh Hellscream, while he serves as a coordinator for both the Horde and Alliance forces in and effort to combat the new threat of the Naga and Black Dragonflight. Without Thrall to keep Garrosh in check, he declares open war on the Alliance. In the political upheaval Cairne Bloodhoof is implicated as a traitor to the Horde and murdered by Garrosh. Cairne's son Baine takes over as the new Tauren chieftan. This could explain why Baine was removed from the game in Patch 3.2.2, you can find more information about this in Ahmo Thunderhorn -

http://www.mmo-champion.com/news-2/world-of-warcraft-cataclysm/

Comment by 146819

All this debate over whether the Forsaken deserve this or not...
(this is just how I see it)
Reasons they deserve it:
1) They were making all these plagues in the first place; if they hadn't been, the events of Wrath Gate might not have been as bad.
2) Sylvanas allowed Vermiathras to not only remain in Undercity, but to help her RULE it; Dreadlords (and most demons in general) can't be trusted, so Sylvanas screwed up big time there.
3) They should've been keeping an eye on what the Royal Apothecary Society was doing.

Reasons they don't deserve it:
1) Sylvanas and most of the other Forsaken are still loyal to the Horde.
2) There's no way Sylvanas could have complete control over the Royal Apothecary Society; Putress was in control of it, and they were following HIS orders.

My conclusion: Yes, the Forsaken did bring this on themselves, but they don't deserve all the blame since there were some things out of their control.

Comment by 130869

I'm a true die hard Orc. I will follow the Warcheifs orders on pritty much anything. Including this I vote that we kill off the undead and now would be a perfect time to strike. After all we do now controll thair city, and who knows maybe this offering of blood will open an opertunity of peace between the rest of the Horde and the Allience

And for all you forsaken lovers that im sure will hate on this post just think about it, if the dark lady had the forces or the opertunity she would kill off the entie horde raise them as undead. She once was a noble elf...revenge has changed that.(plus she is still in power of the UC so if it was that big of a deal to her I am shore she would not have stood for it she probably just figures it will be Orc blood that will spill instead of Undead)

(Do Undead eaven bleed? o_O)

Comment by Kagg

Lots of incorrect information flying around.

1) Sylvanas is the forsaken. they follow her and only her. Anyone who has played a forsaken to 80 knows this.
2) Sylvanas started the Royal Apothecary society and it obeys her will or else. Faranell is the physical head of the society. Putress was just a "young" upstart that got title from figuring out the plague. He most likely was able to divise a cure from Varimathras.
3) Sylvanas fully intended to use a plague strain to kill all non Forsaken life, but she has more tact than to use it at such a place like wrathgate. Sylvanas and the Forsaken dont exactly have the best of intentions when it comes to... well anything that is not Forsaken.
4) Everyone turned a blind eye to the Forsaken activities because they not only were at a critical offensive point for the horde, but they were on a completely different continent.
5) Since now we all know wtf is up, of course Thrall or Garrosh is going to pile every single free guard into the Undercity. Sylvanas is not strong enough to say no to such a move.

I know it stinks, I am 100% Forsaken from vanilla wow. but we kind of deserve such a leash on us. Orc occupation will not douse the Forsaken spirit. We will just... find nicer things to do with our time.

Comment by 476557

"Orgrimmar was merely a setback!"

Comment by 181960

Note that either these guys and Bragor Bloodfist ( https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/npc=36273 ) say different things depending on whether the player has already taken part to the Battle For Undercity (and completed the whole quest chain) or not.

If the player has still to get to that point, they "react" more friendly: the guards justify their presence in UC by saying they're replacing the majority of UC armed forces, now relocated to Northrend in the expedition against Arthas.

This sounds a bit strange, since the Hand of Vengeance is a relatively small force on the icy continent (one big base in the Fjord, plus some smaller camps scattered through the Fjord and 1 small base in Dragonbligh), while Garrosh Hellscream is leading a far bigger war machine (an enourmous fortress in the Tundra, a huge keep in Dragonblight and another one in Grizzly Hills), and the Kor'kron themselves are to lead the assault to the Wrathgate...

Anyway, after the player's finished the Wrath Gate quest line and participated to the Battle, the Kor'kron guards actually become an occupying military force, and get to "insult" Forsaken players.

In the same way, Bragor Bloodfist initially says he's taken over Varimathras' role because the Nathrezim is "away", supposedly on a mission for the Banshee Queen. After the Battle For Undercity, Bragor replies to the players openly criticizing Sylvanas for having entrusted Varimathras with such a high position within the Forsaken hierarchy.

Sylvanas still appears to be the Queen, and during the Battle for Undercity Thrall seems to still show her quite some respect, so we should assume the Horde Warchief doesn't hold her responsible for what happened. Her city appears to be under military occupation though, with Bragor Bloodfist leading it and particularly keeping an eye on the apothecaries.

So...who's really in charge in UC?

Comment by 546949

Race war in WoW? This game just got controversial.

Comment by malmern

My guess is,
from a cannonical point of view,
players helped out creating plague 2.0.

Comment by 178231

Brutish helm, chest, gloves, belt and boots
Defiler's Plate shoulders
Orgrimmar Tabard
Axe of Frozen Death

That's how you make a Kor'Kron Overseer :)

Comment by Rankkor

Having noticed that they are all orcs, and they cleave, could this be the students of Saurfang's Academy? o_O

Comment by Cakefortwo

Except for a minor color-problem on the helm (it's gold instead of silver...) Here's a look-alike uniform for those of you wishing to RP a Kor'Kron Overseer:

https://www.cuckhead.com/cata/compare?items=45581:31473:20212:25018:14908:14904:14910.1556:14906.1559:14911.1614:38237

Comment by Moonracer

There are now Kor'Kron Overseers in the Ruins of Lordaeron, above the Undercity. Some ride on wolves, most just stand around.

The Ruins of Lordaeron can be accessed without a flying mount, by the way. On the left side of the central courtyard, directly across from the Silvermoon Portal, are some stairs that lead into the Ruins.

Comment by notos

If you /rude at the they turn at you and /point

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Kor'kron Overseer

This NPC can be found in Tirisfal Glades (25) and Undercity (2).

Kor'kron Overseer

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